First Post-- Questions about minoxidil, Procerin etc

Dick Hyman

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Hi,
First post, been readin for about 2 months, kudos on a helpful forum.

I'm a 25 year old male and have been receeding at the temples/hairline fairly slowly for about 2.5 years now. IF I had to norwood it, I'd give myself a duece, although it's not very acurate.

First attempt: About February of 2005 I started using regular strength (2%) rogaine. Before treatment I would notice the occasional hair lying around, maybe 10 per day. Also, before treatment I never had any thinning anywhere except the hairline temples--no thinning at the vertex whatsoever. I used rogaine sort of half-assed for 5.5 months and noticed a slight increase in hair LOSS (as well as notcing more hairs in the shower etc and I started to thin very slightly at the vertex). I stopped the rogaine in mid june and within a month my hair thickened back up to a nice cushy level, however, my hairline remained at the further-back level since the rogaine.

A few months passed and I was essentially back to where I started: noticing about 10 hairs a day and a slow recession of the hairline. I purchased a 3 mo supply of procerin and started taking it, although not regularly. I convinced myself that I should give extra strength rogain (5% minoxidil)a shot. I felt I hadn't really followed the strict regimine suggested, and I felt that maybe the higher doesage of minoxidil might be beneficial. I used it religiously and within 3 weeks noticed a major shed begin. For the first time I was thinning at the top and vertex, and my hairline shot back significantly. After two months of continued shedding (hairs everywhere and notcible thinning) I dropped it. Once again, after stopping minoxidil, I thickened up a bit (but not quite a s full as last time. )

Now all I take is the Procerin (which I now take regularly) and I use nizoral shampoo 1% to help the itchy scalp.

My hair is thinner now than it ever has been, but I don't feel that I am "shedding" per se. I notice about 20 hairs fall out per day. I'd say that about 50% of the time I rub my hand through my hair I'll get ONE hair falling out that I can see, so it's not horrible or anything. The problem is that I know the hair isn't growing back (or at least not at a significant rate) because it is noticably thinner now than ever before. Again, mostly at the hairline and temples.

So:
1. Has anyone had success using procerin? I know this website bashes it to hell and I know there are a lot of marketers who post great stuff about it on sites like this, so my question is only for people who have used the drug and who can report on it based on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not based on what they've heard or read. I've only really been using it steadily for about 1 month now, and I have noticed a slight increase in rate of loss since a month ago. Also, I am able to pull out my body hair fairly easily now and I've heard that can be an effect of a dht inhibitor working. Might this mean I am responding to it? Sould I continue to take it for perhaps 3 more months to see if there is a result?

2. Propecia. I have read more horror stories on this site about this drug then I care to recall. Based on this site alone I am pretty sure there is no amount of money in the world that could get me to try this drug. Is there a reason why the company perports such a strong success rate and why (as far as I can tell) no one here has had any success with it? All I read about is how it made people's hair WORSE (especially people like me who really only need help in the hairline/temples department) and how they can't get it up, and others who have man breasts and had to get lyposuction and yet they are STILL USING finasteride. Not to mention the fact that noone knows what the long term effects of this drug will be on the prostate etc.. The thing is, if I had never been to this site, I would have started taking finasteride half a year ago, but now, forget it..I know too much. I'm just glad I read about it here and spared myself one of these nightmare scenarios.

So in sum, basically 8 months ago I started to experiment with hairloss treatments and in that 8 months I have noticed a clearly increased rate of hairloss. None of the three attempts (so far) have yielded any positive resluts.

Please let me know about your experiences with procerin.

Thanks.
 

DonaldAnderson

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My hair seemed to be stronger and it fell out less when i used it.
Thats all I have to say about that.
Try Dr. Lee.
 

noorur

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I been on Procerin and Revivogen since november 2004.

Since then, I havn't actually noticed much regrowth, but excess shedding for 5 months straight from april onwards. The excess shedding has recently stopped.

I can't say if Procerin works or not, because I have also been using it with Revivogen. The two managed to halt my hairloss for the first 5 months of usage though, and then the excessive shed.

I began using the lasercomb from June onwards and still use it 3 times a week.
I have also added 1/4 proscar a day onto my regime recently, because I believe finasteride is 'guaranteed' to work for male pattern baldness, as I have read alot of success with finasteride.

I hope this information helps.
 

Dick Hyman

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yeah, it was the askwebdoc site that first brought my attention to procerin. I'm reluctant to buy into the phnomenal success reported by that study however, because, like all internet message boards, there is no screening or censorship of any kind. Which is to say that the Procerin company might very well have contributed a lot of those positive reviews themselves.

Nevertheless, I'm too scared of Propecia to try that, but since I do believe in the theory behind using DHT inhibitors, Procerin seemed like my only option if I didn't want to go up against the possbility of serious side effects.

While I am still definitely losing hair it is less loss than when I was on Rogaine 5%. I think for now I'll stick with the Procerin and hope for the best.

Donald: Why did you stop using Procerin if it seemed to be working for you?

What is the difference between Dr. Lee minoxidil and rogaine? The thing about rogaine is, I don't like the hair it produces--very fine downy hair.
 

noorur

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oh sh*t, i just realised

we shouldn't be talking about procerin on this website's forums. gourmetstylewellness.com disapproves of Saw Palmetto as herb for male pattern baldness and Procerin.

Why don't you just begin on generic proscar. It's very cheap in my opinion. If u get any sides, then you can always quit.
 

hairguync1

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Im currently in my 6th month taking procerin and i have to say that I'm not impressed. Like you I have a slight receeding hair line that I'd like to regrow. I've decided that If i'm ever going to get my hair back that I'd need to just bite the bullet and go all out. Now I'm taking generic finasteride 1mg once aday plus 5% minoxidil twice a day. I'm also worried about side effects but still willing to give it a shot. If I think somethings wrong then I'll just stop.
 

ShedMaster

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procerin = el scamo


do a search on this site for procerin and I think you will agree with me.
 

Dick Hyman

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Shedmaster,
Is that based on your personal experience wih Procerin?
 

Dick Hyman

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also, is anyone here having clear positive results with ZERO SIDE EFFECTS using finasteride? I just want to hear one person report this and I have yet to.
 

GourmetStyleWellness

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Alright first off - "noour" your regimen says you're on Finasteride, not Procerin. Secondly, the website you link to is just a satellite site that promotes Procerin - an herbal vitamin cocktail treatment. We have no reason to believe it is a legitimate consumer review web site as they have ignored all communication with us, and highly promote unproven products while simultaneously discouraging users away from clinically proven treatments.

As for DickHyman's question ... does the guy feel its an ineffective product based on personal experience? He doesn't need to. The ingredients reveal the % chance of efficacy without personal experience. We don't judge products effectiveness based on individual subjective opinion or experience. We base it on solid clinical data. As far as basing its ingredients on hair loss related studies goes, we have no reason to believe Procerin works for hair loss.

Propecia does.

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GourmetStyleWellness

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hairguync1 said:
Im currently in my 6th month taking procerin and i have to say that I'm not impressed. Like you I have a slight receeding hair line that I'd like to regrow. I've decided that If i'm ever going to get my hair back that I'd need to just bite the bullet and go all out. Now I'm taking generic finasteride 1mg once aday plus 5% minoxidil twice a day. I'm also worried about side effects but still willing to give it a shot. If I think somethings wrong then I'll just stop.
The chance of side effects on a Saw Palmetto treatment are just as high as being on a Propecia treatment. To think otherwise is to believe the false untrue dishonest deceitful marketing found on the Procerin affiliate web sites.

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GourmetStyleWellness

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Dick Hyman said:
1. Has anyone had success using procerin?
You will see tons of anonymous unverifiable gleaming reports about Procerin on those other sites that sell it, but you won't find any success stories on sites like ours where actual real people post.

I know this website bashes it to hell
We don't bash it to hell. We point out that they have absolutely no scientific, or legal or moral or ethical right to be making the claims they making about its effectiveness. Nor do they have the right to lie to people and say Propecia costs $130 a month, and try to discourage uneducated newbies away from the products that actually work. That is what we bash to hell.

I know there are a lot of marketers who post great stuff
Exactly. Marketers.

my question is only for people who have used the drug and who can report on it based on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not based on what they've heard or read. I've only really been using it steadily for about 1 month now, and I have noticed a slight increase in rate of loss since a month ago.
The answer is simple. Its a Saw Palmetto treatment. Ergo - you can go to the store and get saw palmetto if you want. Mess with your hormones just as much as Propecia, shed like hell like all of us did on Saw Palmetto, and have zero results, like all of us, and everyone who has tried to do an actual study on it.

I've heard that can be an effect of a dht inhibitor working. Might this mean I am responding to it?
DHT inhibitor does not equate to "hair loss treatment". This is the deceptive marketing these companies use to sell their products. Saw Palmetto is *not* the same thing as Propecia.

Sould I continue to take it for perhaps 3 more months to see if there is a result?
You would need to use it for a full 12 months if you really want to give it a chance to work, and if you feel comfortable risking your time, money, hopes, and hair for 12 months ... go for it. 3 months is insufficient for any treatment.

Based on this site alone I am pretty sure there is no amount of money in the world that could get me to try this drug.
You're already taking it. Basically. You're already on a potent hormonal modulator with a high incidence of side effects. Its called Saw Palmetto. You're terrified of Propecia but have no problem taking Saw Palmetto? hmm.

Is there a reason why the company perports such a strong success rate
Because they tested over 1,500 men over a period of 2 years and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it works. Procerin hasn't tested a single damn person or proved a single damn thing.

and why (as far as I can tell) no one here has had any success with it?
LOL !!!!!! Man you've got to stop believing everything you read. Millions upon millions of people have reported success with Propecia. Do you really think 15 guys on a forum is representative of the population of the US?

You've been given your advice. Whether you heed it is up to you.

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GourmetStyleWellness

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By the way - I want to point out that the owner of Procerin has admitted to me numerous times in emails that his "affiliate" websites completely lie about Procerin, Propecia, and other things just to get sales. He feels its not his problem nor his responsibility to do anything about it.

That should tell you something about Procerin.

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noorur

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GourmetStyleWellness said:
By the way - I want to point out that the owner of Procerin has admitted to me numerous times in emails that his "affiliate" websites completely lie about Procerin, Propecia, and other things just to get sales. He feels its not his problem nor his responsibility to do anything about it.

That should tell you something about Procerin.

gourmetstylewellness.com

why would he tell you that his affiliate webisite lie ?? wouldn't that hurt his sales of his product.

I have been on Procerin since november, and I am begining to think it is an absolute scam. I havn't noticed a single bit of regrowth yet, and I have been using it with Revivogen. My hairloss isn't that severe, my hair began falling out within the past 3-4 yrs very slowly. Therefore I should have been a good respondent on on procerin, if it worked. I began 1/4 proscar from the 1st of september, because I know for a fact that it'll work because it has worked for millions of people and tests show that it reduces scalp DHT by 65%.

All in all, I am begining to think Procerin is a load of crap. I fell for their marketing crap, and THEY WERE REALLY REALLY GOOD AT IT! At the time, I never came to discussion forums and read about procerin being a scam and etc. I just went on websites that promote procerin. I wish I had come here earlier, I feel as though the hair I lost while on procerin might not be reversable and my chances hair recovery from 4 yrs ago just slipped alot, by not taking finasteride.

If anyone wants to see my before and after pics, then please ask, and you will see that my hair has gotten worse, because what I have been using was a complete waste.
 

noorur

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well, i dont think Revivogen is a waste. But procerin, I think that its a load of crap.
 
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Procerin has helped me maintain marrow levels, as well as given me the confidence to succeed in an increasingly competetive job market.





...I also have a miniature version of myself growing out of my coccyx. Thank you, Procerin.
 

socks

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You can add me to the list of people who had success on Finasteride and had ZERO side-effects. I've been using finasteride for the last 2yrs (almost) and it was the best decision I ever made when it came to my hairloss.

It works. Period.
 
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