Hair Signals

[goata007]

I was about to order Folligen and noticed that Dr. Pickart (scientist behind Tricommin) has created a new product Hair Signals. Which not only contains copper peptides but also Saw palmetto extract, tea extracts, lavendar oil etc, so it also acts as a topical anti-androgen. Any thoughts?

http://skinbiology.com/hairsignals.html

 

[follicle84]

I've read reports about this being true. However the degree to which they work at when combating hairloss remains questionable.

 

[Cassin]

Interesting....I was going to buy some CP's from him...I may just get this for the hell of it.

 

[FreeloaderUK]

saw palmetto is supposedly anti-DHT but no clinical tests have backed it up. finasteride & dutasteride work in specific ways that are proven to be effective.

 

[ryand2]

I bought a 4 oz bottle of this and i'll have it in my hands monday morning. I'll let you all know my first impressions of it.

 

[jakeb]

I love Folligen, but sometimes I feel like Dr. Pickart is F-ing with people. Between the phermone/aromatherapy stuff he sells and now highlighting Polysorbate 60 (main ingredient in the Helsinki Formula!). Seriously?

He's a scientist, but doesn't seem to be interested in doing experiments to validate these various brews.

 

[ryand2]

I could care less about the polysorbate stuff. I'm more interested in the other crap he threw into it.

 

[toivonen]

1st of all, it's not polysorbate 60, but polysorbate 20 and 80 that he uses in Hair Signals, beeing the last one the one used in the Helsinki formula, and as far as the opinion that it doesn't work or that it's a stupid thing to use it, i advise everybody to informe themselves more deeply and beeing more open mindid regarding to many aspects of life and specially about the question of hair loss/hair loss treatments..after all, it's not that we don't know that many deliberate bad information is put in places like these forums and companys sites, cause there's lot of money involved...and please the so called oficial FDA treatments, well let's say the least, that even the interested companys reported ratios of success very far as beeing considered 100% bullet proof treatments...and don't forget, they are the ones paying the study, and about the FDA itself, well...it's not the 1st time they aproved medications, that later were removed from the market consumers, due to side effects and questionable efficacy...
So if anyone still thinks, that there are "oficial", holy intitutions, only because they are state dependent and self called regulatory, and take them as absolut and unquestionable TRUES, i sugest a brain scan, or better a certificate degree in naivite..furthermore, the more recent events all over the world, have just proove the oposite...that we can and must suspect of everyone, even (or specially) the ones, we were tought to not doing so.

I'll try them, i don't care if they are Loren Pickart or Dr Lee's, or Proctor's...i just want them to work..that's all!

One piece of information, that maybe of some interest...there are millions of others, if we take the time..oh, and sorry for my english!

http://www.klienwachter.com/adarticles/ ... rowth/6884

 

[$tackz]

Make your own Copper Peptide Formula - courtesy of Old Baldy and $tackz

The ratio is
-two parts hydrolyzed soy protein with (order: http://www.thepersonalformulator.com/wvss/product_info.php?cPath=13_32_33&products_id=742)
-one part copper chloride II (cupric chloride). (order: http://www.daigger.com/catalog/prod.../p-449920WAB/Copper+(II)+Chloride,+Anhydrous) Grams are equivalent to milliliters.

Add a pinch of EDTA to chelate the metal. (Makes the entire concoction safer.)

Eight ounces distilled water: one tablespoon of hydrolyzed soy protein liquid, 1.5 teaspoons of copper chloride II, 1/8 teaspoon of EDTA and the same for Germaban II. (IMO if you're going to refrigerate your concoction you don't need to add the Germaban)

Heat up a little in the microwave and filter through cheescloth when most of the stuff has dissolved.

Add a pinch of polysorbate 80 and some Germaban II for emulsifying and anti-microbial, respectively.

Voila, you have homemade copper peptides somewhat like Folligen.

If you want to replace one ounce of distilled water with alcohol, do it at the end (after the copper has mixed with the water, soy and EDTA). Might help with penetration and and anti-microbial activity. Or just add a teaspoon of fractionated coconut oil. (I use octyl salicylate but FCO is more readily available and good stuff for the skin IMHO. Good solvent also that won't degrade.)

This recipe is strong and make sure to use some Polysorbate 80 to emulsify all the stuff. Available at alot of places.

Shake well before use. Good luck!

 

[toivonen]

Gosh :mrgreen: ..THNKS for the tips...but 1st i want to try the "real" stuff! For the little i know the process of stabelizing CP's, aren't that easy, and for a little diference, one can go from the BEST to the WORST in relation to ou problem..but like i said, THANKS for the good will

 

[die_hard]

I've heard a lot about the lack of clinical proof, but has there been any clinical test at all?

 

[Bryan]

I've heard a lot about the lack of clinical proof, but has there been any clinical test at all?

Proof of what? Test of what?

 

[toivonen]

Yes, exactly..proof of what?..of CP's effects, on skin, on hair?..there's plenty of it..sure, there's plenty on minoxidil and Finasteride to...my raise of questions were beyond that prisma...dig deep, deep..and please, do not ever put the label on me, of a free advertiser, cause the only efect that would have, was a lack of free spirit on your part, and a big laugh on mine! :jump:

die_hard, please search further on that subjects, Loren Pickart as a lot of published trials, but like i said, everyone is in title to be respected and at the same time, of beeing raised doubts...me included, we're all biased..but we that care to think a little more, know where to find something that smels "fishy" (sorry, my English culture, comes from the times Porky's sold as something beeing funny..dear god, today i actually like some of the bad taste jokes..something to due with age, i supose)...IMHO, i think that there's some "mavericks" out there that deserve, AT THE VERY LEAST, been given some credit..that's all. I wish you all (the same as i)the best of luck in your "crusade"

 

[Renegade]

I wouldn't write this stuff off so fast boys. If this is the same guy behind the CP's used in Tricomin (which I am a long-time fan of) and he hasn't reduced the quality of the CP's that he is uses in this new product, I would say that this is definitely worth trying. I mean, if you're like me and don't plan on ever giving up CP's/Tricomin (short of some other drastic new treatment coming out), then why not give it a shot? Those extra ingredients can only help, and the stuff is also cheaper than Tricomin. I think I'll be ordering some soon myself.

 

[Cassin]

I wouldn't write this stuff off so fast boys. If this is the same guy behind the CP's used in Tricomin (which I am a long-time fan of) and he hasn't reduced the quality of the CP's that he is uses in this new product, I would say that this is definitely worth trying. I mean, if you're like me and don't plan on ever giving up CP's/Tricomin (short of some other drastic new treatment coming out), then why not give it a shot? Those extra ingredients can only help, and the stuff is also cheaper than Tricomin. I think I'll be ordering some soon myself.

If I remember right, I think Dr Pickart told me that this is the closest version of what was used in the trials that can be bought.

http://store.reverseskinaging.com/Produ ... uctCode=14

Yes the sun tan lotion. Don't take my word on it...ask him yourself.

 

[toivonen]

@Renegade, that's absolutly my opinion...i think this is definitly worth of trying..it's Dr Pickart himself that states, his CP's of last generation, are more efective that the ones used on Tricomin, so who are we to say the oposine, and with what basis?!...
Even Procyte, NEVER denied a single time that the formula used today is more efective that the one they took/bought from Dr Pickart, so i don't know why there's such a fuss, whenever the last generation of CP's of Dr Pickart, are mentioned..really don't!

As for what makes Hair Signals, i think all the add ons in the formula, are a big PLUS!..that's my opinion, but if they are present, it's because it's Dr Pickart opinion to, and his, i believe are far more substatiated than a guessing game..one must loose the habit of not so much believing in only what we want, but based on that, express with very few integrity and honesty our personal opinions, giving the idea that those are based in cientific, straight from "god" facts!..they are just opinions, that's all...no one knows the cure, right..cause if they did, one wouldn't be here expecting for the next big thing to come!..hey, and in that aspect, even the Finasteride/Minoxidil fans are not diferent...tehy to wait for the next big one :hump:

@Cassin, really?!...maybe than, Dr Pickart, choose to pick that one as basis, and add the new ingredients, so still we would have what as already trhe best, even better! :jump: ...don't know if i'll ask him, but maybe sometime i wil...

I'm going to try Hair Signals(the cream one), as well as theire Emu oil, and report the experience...and hope for the best, but if not, i'll report the wort to..have no doubts about it!

 

[Bryan]

..it's Dr Pickart himself that states, his CP's of last generation, are more efective that the ones used on Tricomin...

I don't believe him. I don't think you should, either.

 

[toivonen]

Any reason that you can tell me (us) here?!..I'm not in the habit of ruling my actions just because " Simon says", but in the other hand, if people like you (that i have in hi regard) present me a concrete evidence of the reason why..i'll change my opinion with no problem..the only thing i can't change are the credit card trasference...

 

[Cassin]

..it's Dr Pickart himself that states, his CP's of last generation, are more efective that the ones used on Tricomin...

I don't believe him. I don't think you should, either.

Why?

 

[H/B]

Because trichomin uses isolated blue copper peptides that a are proven SODs. The so called second generation; dropping soy protein in to cupric chloride produces various copper peptides randomly "the green slop." Any old amino sequence will not produce proven blue peptides. Folligen may possibly have an advanatge because of the quanity, but not qaulity as you get lots of junk peptides in the mix.