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[GourmetStyleWellness]

Both my mother and step father have lost over 60lbs on the atkins diet. I personally believe in moderation with everything, so in that sense I disagree with the atkins diet, but there's no doubt they've lost incredible amounts of weight on it. And maintained that loss.

They've told me the caveat is that they're very closely monitored by their doctor for all the risks associated with the atkins diet. My step father is a diabetic so he's insane (in my opinion) to be on this diet as it directly can harm diabetics, but he has a point ... if you're monitored closely, you should be able to continue without much problem.

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[Guest]

Re: Out the window

Obviously my points are going to be thrown out the window, and some of the feedback is rediculous.. And although I could argue with you, it would go on and on, and it is just a waste of energy, because people on here will always have the last word..

Sometimes in life, you must use your intelligence, and common sense.. All I hear is wheres the facts, wheres the data.. Would you want me to develop my own clinical trials, and document my theories? Sorry I dont have the money for that, but huge pharmaseutical companies do, and thats the point.. Obviously we have a bunch of BLACK and WHITE thinkers on here, and usually nothing is black and white.. THe point of my post was to be aware of the grey area.. And for people new to hairloss to understand that THE INDUSTRY IS GOVERNED BY MONEY AND MARKETING PERIOD. Is that to say science is sh*t? Is that to say medications wont save your life, or make you grow some hair? NO! But understand there is more to it than that.. And the bottom line is I can go into detail, and bring up some data and business cases.. But for what? You seem to have it all figured out, you understand the risks, You have made a choice.. Who is saying you are wrong, or that you shouldnt make the choices you did.. NOT ME.. I have stated nothing BUT REALITIES that anyone with half a brain would know, despite a sheet of facts..

Of course this post will generate a bunch of other replys that comment on things I say out of context.. I am done talkin about drugs, and hairloss.. Many people on here have made the choice to do it.. and its silly for me to give my opinion.. But MY GOD the fucken atkins diet?

I would figure most people here would be a fan of such a non-logical diet.. and yeah, I did read the book.. And i know people on the diet since it was introduced.. I understand the logic of the Atkins diet.. and there whole explanation about the cavemen, and how the body functioned.. and all the theories about teaching the body to break up fats etc.. I dont want to reiterate the main themes of the book in detail.. and of course ill get a post about that.. and that i really know nothing about the diet..

But ultimately the atkins diet is INGENIOUS.. do you know why it is INGENIOUS? Because it allows fat people to continue to indulge themselves and believe they are doing the right thing.. Instead of breaking the real problem.. There over indulgence or addiction to food.. They are being told.. HEY EAT ALL THE FUCKEN STEAKS U WANT.. ITS GOOD FOR YOU.. SO all the fatsos rush for the diet, cause its a heavy mans dream diet. Lets go back to common sense again.... In order to gain weight, you must consume.. That is not only common sense.. but if you disagree with that your a damn fool.. The best diet is less consumption period.. . ANd ok how can i prove that? Wtf do you think a gastric bypass does? Its pretty damn simple.. It reduces the stomach size so much, that its forcing you not to consume.. SIMPLE. thus you lose weight.. MEAT is not meant to be consumed in the amounts that carbs are.. If you look at the basic composition of meat, and carbs, its pretty obvious.. Talking about cave days is retarded, because not only were their life spans equivilent to a cat.. The digestive system functioned differently. We used to eat raw meats and vegetables, try eating grass now, see what happens.

Again, moderation and common sense.. Eat balanced, avoid fatty foods, and most importantly try to break away from the addiction of over indulging in foods, and you will be a very healthy person.


You know i was really tempted to provide some information from NYU's resource library about particular forms of cancer research that have went BYE BYE, by .. hmmm i wonder who..????.. I have read it before, I wish i saved it, because the information is pretty hard to obtain due to obvious reasons.. But if i come across it, I suggest you read it.. It will summarize everything I have said, and put my opinions into perspective.

Yes, I remember that is was once common sense that the world was flat and that we should really burn witches.

That is the essence of your post. You have yet to provide even ONE credibile scientific source to substantiate your views on virtually every opnion you utter.

So, where is the data? As an example, the latest Harvard work on the low carb diet indicated that IN SPITE OF HAVING CONSUMED MORE THAN 300 CALORIES PER DAY, the low carb group lost more weight than the "balanced food, low calorie group." If memory serves, the calorie differential over the study equated to over 10 lbs in bodyweight if you subscribe to the "its all about calories" theory.

That is pure science and it blows the balanced diet low fat guys minds that this happened. Worse, the low carb subjects DID NOT experience rises in blood fat levels.

Sorry this study refutes all that you said about food intake but we can't go back and change the numbers to suit your conclusions.

My friend, I think you shoud move on to another Board where the thinking is a little less rigorous.

 

[Guest]

Both my mother and step father have lost over 60lbs on the atkins diet. I personally believe in moderation with everything, so in that sense I disagree with the atkins diet, but there's no doubt they've lost incredible amounts of weight on it. And maintained that loss.

They've told me the caveat is that they're very closely monitored by their doctor for all the risks associated with the atkins diet. My step father is a diabetic so he's insane (in my opinion) to be on this diet as it directly can harm diabetics, but he has a point ... if you're monitored closely, you should be able to continue without much problem.

gourmetstylewellness.com

Actually lower the intake of carbs is very useful for diabetics who of course have an issue in dealing with any form of sugar.

 

[Guest]

Yes, I think my father is a perfect example of today's medicine. I think he has a life long pill for almost every problem.. Again, the point I was making was not about how effective these medications are.. Or that pharmaseutical companies are producing pure crap.. My cynical view dealing with huge companies, comes from a knowledge of what big money can do, and what big business is all about.. We take what we have to, without the medicines, some people might not even be alive today.. This is all factual, and I am not arguing that point.. What im arguing about is the grey, between the black and white.. I will try to make an analogy, to maybe clear up my point.

Have you ever read the communist manifesto? Great romantic ideology of a utopian, equal society.. There is not one country who really practiced pure communism.. And as we have found out through history, socialism does not work.. Why doesn't it work? Lets take a simple job task.. A baker.. If a baker is going to make the same profit regardless of quality, he will not possess the will, nor enthusiam to be the best baker.. However, if he can produce the best tasting cake in a capitalistic economy, he will be motivated to produce better quality.. this is a simplified example to show a simple point.. Quality, enthusiam, service, will, are all fueled by money, which turns to a fuel for power.. Once the little ameba's of competition fight, you get huge globs, almost like soap suds in water.. What happens is you get a few huge corporations who dominate and run an industry.. which leads to total stagnation.. The question is not about the medications, but look past that.. If pharm companies have the money and power to control research and development, Why wouldnt they engineer medications that would serve them the most benefit? They save lifes, they serve humanity, are they angels from above who just want to help humanity? No. Does the cholestrol medications, the hiv medications, the kimo therapy, the hair transplants, the propecias, and the rogaines generate billions of dollars.. sure does..

Anyone into computers? You got the 90 pentium 1.. went up to 100, 133, ...... 200 233 266.. all in incriments to the big bad *** 3.0.. oh wait they have a 3.2 gig out now.. They have the technology out now to release far past a 6.0 gig processor.. In fact they have super computers that are 20 times faster then that... So if the technology is available,, why do they release computers on the market at such tiny increments every damn month? Well my common sense shouts out to me, and tells me they are bleeding the market, and sucking as much money up as they can. Why must I buy microsoft suite packages when I want to update my system? Perhaps because it is the only feasible thing around to use.. The morale of the story is that, if too much power is in the hands of just a few.. You get stagnation.. and what you do receive.. You will never be able to fully assess what else you could have received.. Perhaps it could have been something better, more cost effective, more efficient, maybe a total cure for baldness, maybe a cure for cancer.. Why would anything be put out on the market, that would make millions of doctors, clinics and drug producing companies go out of business? Do you think people who hold great power in an industry are going to give it up? You dont think they will bleed people to make the most money? You think there will be further research or huge investment money in a new fuel to replace gasoline? Do you realize that there are some procedures and medications that people find in other countries that never made it over here? Think out of the box.. In fact buy some weed, smoke a phat blunt like i just did.. And everything just becomes more clear, and you can see the true dynamics of capitalism at work all around you.. . However.. it is still the best known way for an economy to function with some sort of a balance.. But i feel we are heading more and more to a socialistic state.. Adios my friends.. this buds for u

What the hell is your point anyway? With all this ramble, I am not sure. Perhaps, smaller more cogent points??

 

[Axon]

Someone's a Michael Moore fan.

Let me put it to you this way. I was a paralegal for a major law firm, and two of the major clients were Pfizer and Purdue pharmaceuticals.

Now, I didn't do a lot on the Pfizer case (but they ARE suing Dr. Reddy - Hah!) but I was on the Oxycontin litigation for almost year. I've seen their internal documentation and they are surprisingly clean. They really did try to make a drug to help people, but a certain factions of individuals started taking the drug improperly and they began to die from it.

Very sad, but not exactly Purdue's fault.

Now, what you need to do is show more proof and less conspiracy theory. I watch the major corporations as well (did you know many large companies take out life insurance policies on their workers so they can collect upon their death?! "Valued Employees - Worker Dies, Firm Profits - Why? Wall Street Journal, April 19, 2002; "Companies Gain a Death Benefit," The Washington Post, 5/30/02) and I am not happy with their behavior either. But I will not wildly speculate and then play the common-sense card and suggest that those who do not share my views are somehow blinded.

Making a claim? Back it up. It's that simple.

 

[Guest]

What the hell is your point anyway? With all this ramble, I am not sure. Perhaps, smaller more cogent points??

Couldnt agree more. :lol:

 

[Guest]

Someone's a Michael Moore fan.



Making a claim? Back it up. It's that simple.

There you go! :rockon:

 

[Guest]

BTW-IMHO Michael Moore is one of the bigger assholes in the world. And it is painfully obvious, he thinks the Atkins Diet is a consiracy and will have none of it.

:laugh:

 

[Axon]

BTW-IMHO Michael Moore is one of the bigger assholes in the world. And it is painfully obvious, he thinks the Atkins Diet is a consiracy and will have none of it.

:laugh:

Sort through his insane rambles and staggering hyperbole and he occasionally makes a point. However, he acts as if Clinton never did anything beyond the Monica scandal, which isn't exactly accurate.

 

[Guest]

Ive never read any of M. Moores books but i admire his anti-gun stance and Bowling for Columbine is a very good, thought provoking docu.

 

[Guest]

BTW-IMHO Michael Moore is one of the bigger assholes in the world. And it is painfully obvious, he thinks the Atkins Diet is a consiracy and will have none of it.

:laugh:

Sort through his insane rambles and staggering hyperbole and he occasionally makes a point. However, he acts as if Clinton never did anything beyond the Monica scandal, which isn't exactly accurate.

Yes, we see what we want to see!

 

[Guest]

Ive never read any of M. Moores books but i admire his anti-gun stance and Bowling for Columbine is a very good, thought provoking docu.

That may be. However, it is my understanding that Moore rigs all his movies such that the point is always the one he wants to make. That is fine in fiction, not so fine when presented as documentary. As one who has been hatcheted by TV news, I know how easy this is to do.

 

[Guest]

In case people here are getting wrong idea, the atkins diet at a base level encourages you to micro-manage your carbohydrae hydrate intake and the resultant insulin spikes that accompany yoyo-ing glucoses levels in your blood.

How would you do this? drugs? some kinda mystic ritual? surgery?

No.....

Instead of eating dougnuts and chocolate bars, breads and refined sugars, you are encouraged to get your carbohydrates from salads, fresh vegetables and fruits, infact all you practically eat on this diet is f*****g vegetables.

Yes you can eat as much meat as you like...for a reason.

Protein when consumed sends a chemical to your brain saying "STOP, IM FULL" It is almost impposible to over consume protein.

Now for the experiment:

When you are starvingly hungry sit down with a box of cheerios and some milk, have a bowl, try another and another and another you really can go through 4 or 5 with out feeling stuffed.

Now sit down with a bowl of boiled eggs (pure protein) you will not get through more than 2 or three, because you bodies natural signalling won't let you.

GourmetStyleWellness

A diet which encourages the removal of refined sugars as it's premise is ideal for a diabetic, there are numerous reports of diabetics being able to reduce and even discontinue their medications after bringing their insulin levels under control, I personally think that these diabetics should not return to a high sugar/medicated regime.


Ty

 

[Axon]

I dunno, I can eat 4 or 5 hard boiled eggs before I start feeling full. Sometimes even 6 if I eat fast enough.

Steak is the same way, I never really feel full when I eat steak. Chicken and burgers make me feel very full, though, so there's certainly some merit to that concept.

 

[Redbone]

Steak and meat makes me take a huge poopoo. Vegatables and grains it is nice and soft.

 

[Guest]

I dunno, I can eat 4 or 5 hard boiled eggs before I start feeling full. Sometimes even 6 if I eat fast enough.

:freaked: :freaked2: :freaked2: :freaked: :freaked: :rockon: :freaked:

Ty

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my regime

I just like to watch Axon eat his own weight in eggs

 

[Axon]

6 eggs? That's not that much dude.

Usually my intake is 3 or 4. But sometimes that ravenous hunger comes upon me and I turn into an inhuman eating machine.

For example, my boys and I were at the Nathan's Hot Dog competition this summer and that crazy Japanese bastard Tareku Kobayashi or whatever ate like 46 dogs and buns in 12 minutes.

So we had our own competition later in the day. I finished second with 19 dogs, which is better than some of the pros there. I puked after but that's allowed, to my understanding.

 

[Guest]

6 eggs? That's not that much dude.

you, sir, have an unnatural talent.

Ty

 

[Guest]

I can eat anything i want as much as i want, for every hour of the day and still i never put on any weight. Think i have the fastest metabolism alive.

im speacial. :hairy:

 

[Guest]

whilst you, sir, are just unnatural.

Ty