How Many Here Go To The Gym? Stereotypical But Important

[IdealForehead]

I hate gyms. Too much time commitment getting there and back home. Too many mirrors. Too many guys that are way taller and better looking than me. Too many girls that seem to intentionally stay as far away from me as possible at all times.

I don't stare into mirrors for extended periods of time every day unless I have to. I certainly don't go out of my way to do it. (Except when I'm checking my hairline which has gotten compulsive to the point of being harmful given how often I'm pulling back my hair to look. I need to stop doing that.)

The idea of staring into a full body mirror for an hour every day is a version of hell for me.

Anyway, for exercise, I walk >10,000 steps a day every day and usually do 40-60 pushups a day. It doesn't make me buff, but neither did going to the gym when I used to go for years, and this is less of a stress. I hope it at least keeps my health in the reasonable zone.

All gyms do for me is make me depressed at my facial/bodily appearance and lack of strength/definition/progress no matter how much I do. No thanks. Learned that lesson already well enough.

 

[shookwun]

insane gains/conditioning as usual.

Pretty low I guess maybe 10%? Not had it tested for a while

 

[DHTpolice]

Pretty low I guess maybe 10%? Not had it tested for a while

Your posing in front of that Norwood 3 guy looks like you humiliated him, lol.

 

[g.i joey]

About 3,000 calories

You lucky bastard lol

 

[dralex]

Hair loss has actually fucked up my lifting routine big time. Miss lifts all the time now because hair loss depresses the sh*t out of me and seeing my hair in the million mirrors at the gym makes things worse. Still can bench like 275 @ 175lbs, but way down from what I was before. Miss over half my lifts now. Turned to more drugs and alcohol instead, honestly helps more than anything else. Makes sense why all these balding dudes are out of shape. Hard to have the motivation to do anything when you're feeling like sh*t. Hair loss truly sucks.

 

[JeanLucBB]

Hair loss has actually fucked up my lifting routine big time. Miss lifts all the time now because hair loss depresses the sh*t out of me and seeing my hair in the million mirrors at the gym makes things worse. Still can bench like 275 @ 175lbs, but way down from what I was before. Miss over half my lifts now. Turned to more drugs and alcohol instead, honestly helps more than anything else. Makes sense why all these balding dudes are out of shape. Hard to have the motivation to do anything when you're feeling like sh*t. Hair loss truly sucks.

This has definitely been a massive point of improvement for me post transplant. Don't feel subhuman anymore in front of a bunch of 25 year old chads with perfect hairlines.

 

[IdealForehead]

I'm maintaining at this . Never did drugs just consistency and I had a good foundation naturally.

Also on dutasteride and it hasn't effected my physique yet

I'm sorry. I tried to avoid replying to this. But the bait was too strong.

This is you:

This is Zyzz, a known heavy steroid user famous for his physique:

This is Jeff Seid, a known heavy steroid user, famous for his physique:

This is Frank Zane, a professional body builder who did heavy roids, also famous and still renowned today for his physique:

Are you honestly going to tell us you have built a bigger physique than Jeff Seid or Zyzz, and perhaps even Frank Zane, COMPLETELY NATURALLY?

Hahaha I'm seriously laughing here.

If you were capable of that body naturally, you probably have the best muscle building genetics on the entire planet (not even joking) and even with the tiniest bit of juice could dominate every body building competition in the world for the rest of your life.

More likely, you're just saying that the same way the Rock has to say he's not using anything - because his face is attached to his image, and he can't openly admit to being a steroid user for marketing reasons.

Even on juice though it's a remarkable outcome, and you should be proud of it. Steroids aren't magic that take make Average Joes into monsters all on their own. You still have to have good genetics, good training, and good diet to respond to them, and on that level your accomplishment shouldn't be diminished.

I just think it's important for people to know what's achievable naturally and what's not, because body dysmorphia is growing among men based on unrealistic standards from Hollywood movies, most of which feature guys on juice now as well.

 

[DHTpolice]

Lol, just googled, this guy Zyzz died in 2011 at 22 y. o. His perfect genes were eliminated from the gene pool, such a waste...

 

[IdealForehead]

Lol, just googled, this guy Zyzz died in 2011 at 22 y. o. His perfect genes were eliminated from the gene pool, such a waste...

Yup. Loads of steroids and other drugs (cocaine, ecstasy, etc) led to a heart attack while he was travelling in Thailand that killed him at 22.

Most steroid users don't do so poorly. A lot of guys get away with it their whole lives without too major problems.

The cardiac risk from steroids generally comes from the fact that in susceptible individuals, steroids lead to overgrowth of the heart muscle, resulting in hypertrophic cardiomyopathy which can be silent until it reaches a critical point and then become lethal.

The bigger risk of steroids for anyone on this site is that if you're prone to hair loss, steroids will make you shed at 5-10x the rate you are now. Even on a strong hairloss regimen.

 

[IdealForehead]

One more post I'll make on the subject of Juice vs. No Juice is regarding, because I mentioned him earlier, The Rock.

Interestingly enough, the WWE actually does drug testing. I doubt it's very rigorous, but they have suspended wrestlers for + drug tests, so they at least take it somewhat seriously. This is important because they are family entertainment, especially for young boys.

Here was the Rock when he was in WWE:

All three of those guys are typical for what one would expect for a normal, non-doped 'huge' guy to look like. He has a massive amount of muscle but it isn't freakish, and he has a healthy 10-13% of body fat obscuring his definition. For long term sustainability, this is what a "big" guy with good genetics will usually look like. He could do an aggressive "cut" even naturally like this and get better definition short term, but it likely wouldn't be sustainable.

By contrast, this is what he looks like since he left the WWE (at least as a full time wrestler) and became an actor (where there are no drug tests):

He's now in his mid 40s, yet he is more ripped and muscular than he was in his 20s and 30s (ie. bigger and better in his middle age than his athletic prime).

I don't think the true reason is any mystery to anyone, although he cannot say it out loud.

Heavy steroids (I'm talking more than just testosterone - the strong stuff) allow him to maintain a higher muscle mass and much lower body fat, and to do it on a daily long term basis.

Of course he's also bald as f*** now, but he's got a great head, and he's huge, and he's charismatic, so it's not like that's stopping him.

The problem with guys like this who do this is that it creates the expectation that "this is what a man in good shape should look like" and it's completely impossible without serious and illegal drugs to attain. It's completely warped the perspective of what's "natural" and what's not for an entire generation of men and women.

 

[shookwun]

I'm sorry. I tried to avoid replying to this. But the bait was too strong.

This is you:

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This is Zyzz, a known heavy steroid user famous for his physique:

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This is Jeff Seid, a known heavy steroid user, famous for his physique:

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This is Frank Zane, a professional body builder who did heavy roids, also famous and still renowned today for his physique:

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Are you honestly going to tell us you have built a bigger physique than Jeff Seid or Zyzz, and perhaps even Frank Zane, COMPLETELY NATURALLY?

Hahaha I'm seriously laughing here.

If you were capable of that body naturally, you probably have the best muscle building genetics on the entire planet (not even joking) and even with the tiniest bit of juice could dominate every body building competition in the world for the rest of your life.

More likely, you're just saying that the same way the Rock has to say he's not using anything - because his face is attached to his image, and he can't openly admit to being a steroid user for marketing reasons.

Even on juice though it's a remarkable outcome, and you should be proud of it. Steroids aren't magic that take make Average Joes into monsters all on their own. You still have to have good genetics, good training, and good diet to respond to them, and on that level your accomplishment shouldn't be diminished.

I just think it's important for people to know what's achievable naturally and what's not, because body dysmorphia is growing among men based on unrealistic standards from Hollywood movies, most of which feature guys on juice now as well.

who cares.


plenty of people juice and dont even look like they lift weights,

Doesn't take away from the many years it took to get where he is.


dismissed

i am more interested in peabody's ability to gear and still maintain hair

 

[IdealForehead]

who cares.


plenty of people juice and dont even look like they lift weights,

Doesn't take away from the many years it took to get where he is.


dismissed

i am more interested in peabody's ability to gear and still maintain hair

Did you actually read what I said?

"Even on juice though it's a remarkable outcome, and you should be proud of it. Steroids aren't magic that take make Average Joes into monsters all on their own. You still have to have good genetics, good training, and good diet to respond to them, and on that level your accomplishment shouldn't be diminished.

I just think it's important for people to know what's achievable naturally and what's not, because body dysmorphia is growing among men based on unrealistic standards from Hollywood movies, most of which feature guys on juice now as well."

Anyone who keeps their hair on roids probably has very good hair genetics and never would be balding otherwise at all. ie. A Clooney type.

That's a funny/scary thought. Clooney roided.

 

[michel sapin]

sure would be nice if he could tell us how he manages to do this .
take duta 1 mg , taking gear , keeping his hair and not getting gyno.

Obviously he is taking an AI , and keep his hair while on it

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Lol, just googled, this guy Zyzz died in 2011 at 22 y. o. His perfect genes were eliminated from the gene pool, such a waste...

You took too much man, too much

 

[DHTpolice]

You took too much man, too much

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Why?

 

[IdealForehead]

Why?

He means Zyzz took too much drugs.

Hence the Fear & Loathing gif.

 

[hollow11]

Zyzz actually died due to quite a few factors, not just juice. He was in a sauna + been juicing for years + lots of cocaine = heart attack at the age of 22.
Jeff Seid claims he's not juicing. If true he must be the reincarnation of Zeus himself, because he got quite far in to mr.olympia last year. I'm pretty sure the "natural jeff seid" is a meme by now, even to his fans.

 

[shookwun]

Did you actually read what I said?

"Even on juice though it's a remarkable outcome, and you should be proud of it. Steroids aren't magic that take make Average Joes into monsters all on their own. You still have to have good genetics, good training, and good diet to respond to them, and on that level your accomplishment shouldn't be diminished.

I just think it's important for people to know what's achievable naturally and what's not, because body dysmorphia is growing among men based on unrealistic standards from Hollywood movies, most of which feature guys on juice now as well."

Anyone who keeps their hair on roids probably has very good hair genetics and never would be balding otherwise at all. ie. A Clooney type.

That's a funny/scary thought. Clooney roided.

nobody cares.


you are clearly but hurt despite your follow post that you insisted on bolding.

SEE, I TOLD YOU.


do you feel better after pointing fingers?

 

[shookwun]

Zyzz actually died due to quite a few factors, not just juice. He was in a sauna + been juicing for years + lots of cocaine = heart attack at the age of 22.
Jeff Seid claims he's not juicing. If true he must be the reincarnation of Zeus himself, because he got quite far in to mr.olympia last year. I'm pretty sure the "natural jeff seid" is a meme by now, even to his fans.

just a typical idiot. trying to combine steroids, pain killers and recreational drugs.


most juice heads have a hard time staying away from alcohol, cocaine and anything that involves them wearing a tight t shirt in public.



juice wasnt the killer. it was those recs in combination....


many bodybuilders have died the same path. always the same bullshit 'heart conditions'

 

[IdealForehead]

nobody cares.

you are clearly but hurt despite your follow post that you insisted on bolding.

Actually yes, I am "butthurt" but not by your post, by the modern prevalence of roiding because:

• It makes average women think a man should look like a Marvel superhero if he lifts a few weights.
• Those guys get incredible results I wish I could have as well.
• I can't do it myself to "compete" because my hair is too androgen sensitive.

Getting ripped is a great compensator for being short and ugly. But only if it doesn't make you bald in the process.

And my natural muscle building capacity is genetically bottom tier.