I'm heavily balding at Age 16: Feel like my life is over(PICS)

[N20256757]

Too young for finasteride or dutasteride... at this point - I would honestly focus my attention on getting in good shape.

 

[pegasus2]

lol

finasteride

Well fortunately he can't even get his hands on finasteride at his age, so there's no need for me to refute that bit of bad advice yet again. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are, so why don't you go troll somewhere else instead of trying to give a kid bad advice.

 

[youngn]

I feel your pain. I started losing my hair at 17 years old and was a NW5 by the time I was 24. There's not alot that can be done. You really need to consult a capable dermatologist. Dermarolling with minoxidil may be worth trying at your age. Your cells should still be able to regenerate very quickly.

I'm sure you are worried about crushing it with women at your age. Even though I was a NW5 I was in very good shape and never had a problem there! You need to focus on getting in the best shape of your life, and focusing on howto make money. Your life will be fantastic if you have those things. Hair loss is not the end at any age.

 

[Greenlandic guy]

Those are things you are born with, not things you develop later in life. Even a person's height is in part dependent on their nutrition and other factors. If you don't have the right genes you will not be tall no matter what, but having those genes doesn't mean you will be tall.

Huntington's disease is entirely genetic, and it does not kick in until a specific point in your life which is encoded in your genetics. The same goes for Fatal Familial Insomnia. If you have the deadly gene, you are guaranteed without exception to suffer from the condition later in life, with symptoms kicking in at around age 40.

Sorry, but you're just flat out wrong.
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-...ce-heavy-drinking-smoking-linked-to-hair-loss

I have never seen a study making such claims as this before, and I can find plenty that provide convincing evidence that male pattern baldness is entirely genetic. More studies would need to be done to back up the claims made by this research. It should also be mentioned that this study was preliminary research that had not yet undergone the peer-review process. A peer-reviews process would involve outside experts scientifically scrutinizing the data prior to publication in a medical journal.

 

[pegasus2]

Huntington's disease is entirely genetic, and it does not kick in until a specific point in your life which is encoded in your genetics. The same goes for Fatal Familial Insomnia. If you have the deadly gene, you are guaranteed without exception to suffer from the condition later in life, with symptoms kicking in at around age 40.


I have never seen a study making such claims as this before, and I can find plenty that provide convincing evidence that male pattern baldness is entirely genetic. More studies would need to be done to back up the claims made by this research. It should also be mentioned that this study was preliminary research that had not yet undergone the peer-review process. A peer-reviews process would involve outside experts scientifically scrutinizing the data prior to publication in a medical journal.

You're forced to bring up rare diseases at the most extreme end up of the spectrum to prove your point. Just because we don't know what triggers the gene mutation, doesn't mean something doesn't. Most people get FFI around age 40, but some people get it as young as age 18. Why? Something made them develop symptoms faster.

If male pattern baldness was entirely genetic then identical twins would all have exactly the same rate of baldness. The fact is they don't. It is highly genetic, but there are numerous studies which show that there are things we can do to slow or exacerbate the process. We know that DHT causes hair loss, and we know that certain behaviors can increase or decrease DHT levels, so why wouldn't those behaviors increase or decrease hair loss along with it?

 

[cocohot]

Well fortunately he can't even get his hands on finasteride at his age, so there's no need for me to refute that bit of bad advice yet again. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are, so why don't you go troll somewhere else instead of trying to give a kid bad advice.

I am just as clever as I think I am and am much cleverer than you. I am giving him incredible advice that can fix all his problems.

He has premature baldness caused by metabolic syndrome (being fat):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male-pattern_hair_loss#Metabolic_syndrome

The fat cells release hormones, this disrupts your hormone profile and causes baldness. When he loses weight his hairloss will stop stabilise. He will look a million times better too just from weightloss.

Then in 18 months time he'll be 18 and can take finasteride and in conjunction with finasteride can get a hair transplant. In 18 months time he'll have a full head of hair and a good body and will look like a normal 18 year old. but he needs to act now.

 

[RhinestoneHLT]

So why aren't all fat 16 year odds nw4s then? You aren't a doctor and you don't know ****, just spouting assumptions.

 

[whatevr]

He isn't bald because he's fat, you ignoramus. If anything, having more estrogen would protect him from baldness.

 

[cocohot]

So why aren't all fat 16 year odds nw4s then? You aren't a doctor and you don't know ****, just spouting assumptions.

He isn't bald because he's fat, you ignoramus. If anything, having more estrogen would protect him from baldness.

Same as not all fat people get diabetes.

Science says fatness causes baldness (for some men). It's called metabolic syndrome.

Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male-pattern_hair_loss#Metabolic_syndrome

 

[Greenlandic guy]

You're forced to bring up rare diseases at the most extreme end up of the spectrum to prove your point. Just because we don't know what triggers the gene mutation, doesn't mean something doesn't. Most people get FFI around age 40, but some people get it as young as age 18. Why? Something made them develop symptoms faster.

If male pattern baldness was entirely genetic then identical twins would all have exactly the same rate of baldness. The fact is they don't. It is highly genetic, but there are numerous studies which show that there are things we can do to slow or exacerbate the process. We know that DHT causes hair loss, and we know that certain behaviors can increase or decrease DHT levels, so why wouldn't those behaviors increase or decrease hair loss along with it?

You've made some fair points, and I've decided I'm going to listen and take on board the things you've said instead of trying to keep defending my original stance. Perhaps male pattern baldness is not entirely genetic after all. There has to be a genetic predisposition there to begin with, as I'm sure you agree, but as you say, environmental factors can influence DHT levels which in turn can trigger baldness earlier than usual in those who already have the genetic predisposition there in the first place. The study you hyperlinked was interesting, although it would be good to see it peer-reviewed and it would also be helpful if more research could be done to back up those findings.

 

[jd_uk]

You've made some fair points, and I've decided I'm going to listen and take on board the things you've said instead of trying to keep defending my original stance. Perhaps male pattern baldness is not entirely genetic after all. There has to be a genetic predisposition there to begin with, as I'm sure you agree, but as you say, environmental factors can influence DHT levels which in turn can trigger baldness earlier than usual in those who already have the genetic predisposition there in the first place. The study you hyperlinked was interesting, although it would be good to see it peer-reviewed and it would also be helpful if more research could be done to back up those findings.

Refreshing to see someone change their stance like that. Never in a million years can I imagine a woman doing the same.

male pattern baldness is genetic and everyone seems to have their predetermined final pattern, but epigenetics is true and therefore things like smoking can speed up hair loss. The trouble is that we can literally drive ourselves mad looking at lifestyle factors to stop baldness when in fact it is just the way we were meant to be.

 

[Roberto_72]

Refreshing to see someone change their stance like that. Never in a million years can I imagine a woman doing the same.

male pattern baldness is genetic and everyone seems to have their predetermined final pattern, but epigenetics is true and therefore things like smoking can speed up hair loss. The trouble is that we can literally drive ourselves mad looking at lifestyle factors to stop baldness when in fact it is just the way we were meant to be.

True that.
Why cannot people just accept that **** just happens and it is NOT because you did something wrong and "had it coming"?

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Curious, if you don't mind saying, were you overweight or did you masturbate excessively when you started balding?

You can ask. At 16, I played basketball every day, so I was not overweight in the least, nor masturbated "excessively" (not more than my NW0 friends; yes, we shared this data).
So, either there is yet another hidden catalyst for male pattern baldness, or I'll just ascribe it to the fact that my father and paternal grandmother are and were cue balls, lucky me.

 

[pegasus2]

True that.
Why cannot people just accept that **** just happens and it is NOT because you did something wrong and "had it coming"?

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You can ask. At 16, I played basketball every day, so I was not overweight in the least, nor masturbated "excessively" (not more than my NW0 friends; yes, we shared this data).
So, either there is yet another hidden catalyst for male pattern baldness, or I'll just ascribe it to the fact that my father and paternal grandmother are and were cue balls, lucky me.

Interesting. There has to be something that triggered it that early. You were obviously predisposed to go bald early, and would've gone bald in your twenties no matter what, but 16 is very unusual.

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You've made some fair points, and I've decided I'm going to listen and take on board the things you've said instead of trying to keep defending my original stance. Perhaps male pattern baldness is not entirely genetic after all. There has to be a genetic predisposition there to begin with, as I'm sure you agree, but as you say, environmental factors can influence DHT levels which in turn can trigger baldness earlier than usual in those who already have the genetic predisposition there in the first place. The study you hyperlinked was interesting, although it would be good to see it peer-reviewed and it would also be helpful if more research could be done to back up those findings.

I'm glad you have an open mind. I definitely agree that there must be a genetic predisposition, and this disease is heavily controlled by genetics. Any environmental factors are only going to change the time and rate at which it progresses, not whether or not it happens.

 

[CopeForLife]

Jump on min/finasteride you'll not need ur dick anyway (chance to get impotence is small tho).

YOU ARE 16 YEARS OLD WITH NW3.5

and ask parents for HAIR TRANSPLANT

or it is OVER for you

 

[shookwun]

Jump on min/finasteride you'll not need ur dick anyway (chance to get impotence is small tho).

YOU ARE 16 YEARS OLD WITH NW3.5

and ask parents for HAIR TRANSPLANT

or it is OVER for you

What if he ran brooding-badboy-archetype-stone face-masculine-hunk type of game? :santa:

 

[g.i joey]

Jump on min/finasteride you'll not need ur dick anyway (chance to get impotence is small tho).

YOU ARE 16 YEARS OLD WITH NW3.5

and ask parents for HAIR TRANSPLANT

or it is OVER for you

lol dude dont take this advice, this guy has mental problems.. life isnt over when you're bald, but you will have to settle for less hot chicks, you will have to upkeep your body a bit more and you will have to try harder with girls, but its FAR FROM OVER. try to save what you got till you're 18 and hope on finasteride. my advice is if you pass nw3 just throw in the towel and adapt your new look.

 

[CopeForLife]

What if he ran brooding-badboy-archetype-stone face-masculine-hunk type of game? :santa:

will end in celibate

 

[Greenlandic guy]

Refreshing to see someone change their stance like that. Never in a million years can I imagine a woman doing the same.

male pattern baldness is genetic and everyone seems to have their predetermined final pattern, but epigenetics is true and therefore things like smoking can speed up hair loss. The trouble is that we can literally drive ourselves mad looking at lifestyle factors to stop baldness when in fact it is just the way we were meant to be.

Thank you, and I agree that women in general seem to be very opposed to the idea of changing their stance about something, more so than men I would say. My way of thinking is that we are all on this forum to help each other and learn things from one another, and we are here to discuss and share ideas and acquire a consensus of information. When all people want to do is argue with each other and defend their own points of view with a total stubbornness to ever change their mind based upon what other people say, it will not get anyone anywhere and we will end up not helping each other much at all.
I do know a bit about epigenetics, and I'd say it does play a big part in male pattern baldness, and probably accounts for a lot of the variation in male pattern baldness found between monozygotic twins.

I'm glad you have an open mind. I definitely agree that there must be a genetic predisposition, and this disease is heavily controlled by genetics. Any environmental factors are only going to change the time and rate at which it progresses, not whether or not it happens.

Thanks Pegasus. I think it is also worth mentioning that other aspects of the balding process in addition to just the actual DHT levels could also be affected by environmental factors, as I'm sure you'd agree also. Perhaps androgen sensitivity or other events further downstream that lead to the follicle miniaturizing could be under the control of genes that are susceptible to environmental influences. As jd_uk mentioned, epigenetics likely plays a large part in male pattern baldness, and probably does in the case of monozygotic twins. Monozygotic twins have a very large number of epigenetic differences. They also have actual genetic differences too though, due to post-zygotic mutations, and such mutational differences are now known to be much greater in number than previously thought. Epigenetics, as you may know, is the process by which environmental factors and life events can trigger the switching on and switching off of genes, either partially or completely.

 

[4thojab]

Really sorry to hear about the horrible time you are going through.

If we are all being completely honest, chances are you are pretty far gone. If attraction is one of your worries, focus your energy on being an overall healthy person.

Get yourself in the gym and don't let this defeat you!

 

[FWIW]

So is this troll post? Op hasnt comment or logged in since his post.