I would just note not everyone loses hair into old age. A smaller percent keep most if not nearly all their Norwood 1 hair from when they were 18. I think everyone is kind shooting for that ideal or at least I am. Have/keep the most hair possible. As long as your living your going to care to some degree what you look like maybe hair wont matter, but to some people it will. One persons opinion doesnt alter everyone elses.
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I would just note not everyone loses hair into old age. A smaller percent keep most if not nearly all their Norwood 1 hair from when they were 18. I think everyone is kind shooting for that ideal or at least I am. Have/keep the most hair possible. As long as your living your going to care to some degree what you look like maybe hair wont matter, but to some people it will. One persons opinion doesnt alter everyone elses.
Yeah I didn't say everyone...but most. There is a very small percentage of people very very small that have their juvenile hairlines until their old age and into death.....but you know they still have all the other issues associated with old age. I also understand that some people will still care to a certain degree about their hair....but when it comes to ones continued mental health its best to at least try to put it into perspective. Just offering a suggestion ....I do understand that some people may never get over it. But for many I do think it becomes less of an issue as they get older....
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I agree that the pangs of old age are many more than "simple" hair loss. Yet most people here have experienced thinning since their teens. Some of us have undergone two hair transplants ($15000) and have basically never had the "full head of hair" (most days) that you sport at 40.
So I am unsure that after suffering for decades for your hair it is really helping to think that aging is even worse.
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Saying that "there's something worse" is virtually never helpful, it's just condescending most of the time.
I get that..as for my full head of hair...its not that easy. Mostly illusion. Wind or rain it pretty much doesn't look full anymore.
As for hair transplants....I'm assuming two 15000 transplants means that individual has r barely any hair on top...correct? I'm surprised a surgeon would even do that.
Putting things in perspective isn't condescending....it may anger some but I was most definitely not condescending....what would you think is helpful short of a cure which looks pretty unlikely.....
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So most of your hair issues would be solved by not living in Chicago. I think this gives you a perspective that is very privileged than 99% of the users here. I envy you.
"15000 transplants" means nothing, it is not what I wrote. I wrote "$/€ 15000 in transplants" meaning that hair transplants cost a lot. With two transplants you get 3-4-5000 grafts (depending on the technique and the donor area and the surgeon), which is a number any surgeon would do and why should he not?
You say you do not want to sound condescending, but you have hair (except when it rains) and come here to write that cures that have not been tried yet seem "unlikely" to you. To what purpose?
Right now the best you can probably do a combination of experimental and common treatments to maintain your hair and maybe get some regrowth.
finasteride/dutasteride, minoxidil, RU/CB, seti, pge2. Obviously, this is a big time and money investment so we're not at the magic pill by any means.
For future, the two big at home treatments we're waiting for are Samumed growth stimulant and (especially) Pulmagen ADC formula which is a CRTH2 antagonist, working similar to seti but better.
finasteride/dutasteride, minoxidil, RU/CB, seti, pge2. Obviously, this is a big time and money investment so we're not at the magic pill by any means.
For future, the two big at home treatments we're waiting for are Samumed growth stimulant and (especially) Pulmagen ADC formula which is a CRTH2 antagonist, working similar to seti but better.
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Idk why but that made me laugh!... And that avatar is so fitting for this comment and hair loss in general lol
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I don't get it. Their science is sound. A Japanese firm is pouring money into their lab. They've built trial facilities in Japan and Europe. But they just will NOT begin the trials! I thought trials were the red tape before a therapy makes it to general public but it seems the red tape needs another red tape! So much bureaucracy and time wasting it makes me sick!
If they don't pull through these issues by the end of 2016 then we will not have access to any new therapies till at least 2020! So depressing
If they don't pull through these issues by the end of 2016 then we will not have access to any new therapies till at least 2020! So depressing
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The current angles we have (legit or not):
1. 5AR inhibitors-finasteride/dutasteride: Obviously flawed and unsafe sh*t.
2. Anti-androgens-RU/CB/S-equol and such: Sides from RU have been more or less a consensus. I personally don't put a lot of stocks in this angle. A lot of AAs have long been there but the problem is systemic absorption. When you put a potent AA like RU onto your scalp you WILL get systemic absorption to some extent and in long term it will fxxk you up, therefore will never become publicly available. When you use a less potent AA it's not enough to halt your hair loss. When you use compounds like CB with fast metabolizing rate it might be side free but not so strong at keeping your hair for the same reason.
(My experience with AAs sometimes make me think: maybe instead of finding miracle drugs, they should spend time on drug delivery, e.g. coming up with some vehicles that keep the topical AAs in your scalp just like what was clamed of Hasson & Wong's formulation, which unfortunately seems to have systemic sides too)
3. PGD2/CRH2 inhibitors-Seti/OC/TM: Up till now reports about sides are minor, but since we're quite sure PGD2 and its receptors have so many things to do with our body and sleep problems are already coming up from seti/OC users, I tend to stay reasonably skeptic to them. Remember how they said inhibiting your 5AR won't be such a big deal?
4. Growth stimulants-minoxidil/Copper Peptide/Stemoxydine/PGE2/SM and on and on: In short, without a solid preventative method to halt or stablize your hairloss, I think these are not our primary concern. Not bad to use and minor sides though. And I honestly wish one day a growth stimulant potent enough to halt male pattern baldness alone will come out.
5. Hair transplant: Table turning but meaningless if you can't maintain to start with.
6. Stem cell methods/PRP/Acell/Histogen/Kerastem-Doesn't deal with the root of androgens, but kind of deals with another root of hairloss by repairing your scalp and follicles. Seems that this angle inevitably needs repetitive treatment and that together with the cost is problematic. No sides for sure.
When you see a new treatment just try to put it into these catagories and it won't be hard to estimate from a larger perspective.
Personally I'm kind of getting tired of messing with all these enzymes and hormones...When you're talking about life long commitment, it's just so hard to stay away from sides.
1. 5AR inhibitors-finasteride/dutasteride: Obviously flawed and unsafe sh*t.
2. Anti-androgens-RU/CB/S-equol and such: Sides from RU have been more or less a consensus. I personally don't put a lot of stocks in this angle. A lot of AAs have long been there but the problem is systemic absorption. When you put a potent AA like RU onto your scalp you WILL get systemic absorption to some extent and in long term it will fxxk you up, therefore will never become publicly available. When you use a less potent AA it's not enough to halt your hair loss. When you use compounds like CB with fast metabolizing rate it might be side free but not so strong at keeping your hair for the same reason.
(My experience with AAs sometimes make me think: maybe instead of finding miracle drugs, they should spend time on drug delivery, e.g. coming up with some vehicles that keep the topical AAs in your scalp just like what was clamed of Hasson & Wong's formulation, which unfortunately seems to have systemic sides too)
3. PGD2/CRH2 inhibitors-Seti/OC/TM: Up till now reports about sides are minor, but since we're quite sure PGD2 and its receptors have so many things to do with our body and sleep problems are already coming up from seti/OC users, I tend to stay reasonably skeptic to them. Remember how they said inhibiting your 5AR won't be such a big deal?
4. Growth stimulants-minoxidil/Copper Peptide/Stemoxydine/PGE2/SM and on and on: In short, without a solid preventative method to halt or stablize your hairloss, I think these are not our primary concern. Not bad to use and minor sides though. And I honestly wish one day a growth stimulant potent enough to halt male pattern baldness alone will come out.
5. Hair transplant: Table turning but meaningless if you can't maintain to start with.
6. Stem cell methods/PRP/Acell/Histogen/Kerastem-Doesn't deal with the root of androgens, but kind of deals with another root of hairloss by repairing your scalp and follicles. Seems that this angle inevitably needs repetitive treatment and that together with the cost is problematic. No sides for sure.
When you see a new treatment just try to put it into these catagories and it won't be hard to estimate from a larger perspective.
Personally I'm kind of getting tired of messing with all these enzymes and hormones...When you're talking about life long commitment, it's just so hard to stay away from sides.
We are on a hair loss forum so yes we will age, but here we are concerned with keeping hair regardless. We have years to wait for better stuff, and other things could easily end up not working. So do what you can now with what exists versus just hoping for better stuff.
Do what you can now finasteride,dutasteride + RU or CB + minoxidil if you can afford it all and that is all you can do. Deal with the health risks and sides or accept it. Pretty simple really
Do what you can now finasteride,dutasteride + RU or CB + minoxidil if you can afford it all and that is all you can do. Deal with the health risks and sides or accept it. Pretty simple really
wrong logical link for cb. it can work locally and become ineffective systemically. there's enough theory and pocs about it, and so far i'm seeing it on my head and body (knock wood...)
I couldn't agree more. Combination therapy is the way to deal with male pattern baldness, maybe Fidia should add minoxidil to Brotzu's formula for improved results.
I guess we are all impatient but we have reasons to be pleased and optimistic. We are the first generation in history that was able to benefit from baldness treatments that really do work (minoxidil, finasteride) and the future looks promising.
I started losing my hair at the age of 17, today I'm 40 and still a nw2 thanks to Proscar.
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I don't get it. Their science is sound. A Japanese firm is pouring money into their lab. They've built trial facilities in Japan and Europe. But they just will NOT begin the trials! I thought trials were the red tape before a therapy makes it to general public but it seems the red tape needs another red tape! So much bureaucracy and time wasting it makes me sick!
If they don't pull through these issues by the end of 2016 then we will not have access to any new therapies till at least 2020! So depressing
Hope for Shisheido too ASAP...
http://news.biglobe.ne.jp/it/0627/mnn_160627_5205821981.html
Apparently they are moving forward
, all that matters really.