Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[hairblues]

It's easy to miss 3 pages out of 256

Most of the pertinent information is in the first 50-100 pages

the rest is just recycling of panic--more than half of the pages are just the past month.

Mostly new people saying they don't want to read thread lol.

go to my repostings on page 249--you will find a lot of information about FIDIA correspondences etc.

But i di dont repost the science--that is everywhere on first 50 pages i would say

 

[worm]

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Nothing new under the sun, but I don’t think that a lot of people paid attention to that table from this article: https://www.docdroid.net/DQqlrBx/brotzu-il-dermatologo-anno-xxxvii-n1-2015-marzo.pdf.html

It shows the treatment results of eight middle aged women with androgenetic alopecia who used the lotion for three months.

The results were graded after 15, 30, 60 and finally 90 days of treatment. They graded the results as one of three responses: no effect, hair loss stopped or new hair growth. The final results were graded as fair, good or excellent. I translated the table as you can see here:

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Before and after pictures of two of the subject’s final results after three months were also shown in the article:

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This woman, referred to as A.C, was 66 years old and her final result was graded as excellent at the end of the study. There’s also a comment under the picture which says that she had stopped losing hair and had early regrowth of hair.

Interesting that they wrote early regrowth of hair. Was it because they expected it to continue to improve with further treatment?

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The other subject, referred to as S.U.S was 55 years old (or 50 as it says in the table). Her final result was graded as ‘good’ at the end of the study.

Personally, I think her result looked even better than the first subject. But maybe it has to do with the way they parted her hair in the before picture.

This study should be proof that the lotion also is effective in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia, at least in some individuals.

If it works for you and me we’ll just have to wait and see. But given that it was reported that hair loss stopped in all eight subjects and five out of them were reported to have new hair growth at the end of the study, I believe the chances are good that it will be an effective treatment for a lot of people here too.

Nice summary.

Does anybody have the same summary for the results Brotzu presented at the end of November?

 

[kiwipilu]

tables and all the infos are in the faq thread check "Brotzu's Study of the lotion on Androgenetic Alopecia (Italian)"

 

[Pacey123]

Did you ever consider that some people are not doing well

Man i didn't mean to be rude, but people could at least read one or two pages of that thread or the FAQ and they'd know that nobody besides FIDIA knows, when the release date is...

And yeah, atm I'm doing well, but who knows when minoxidil is losing it's punch for me, I'm following this thread since page 100 or so, every frkn day, I'm hyped as f*** because I know that minoxidil is no long therm solution, but i try to keep the folicles alive as long as possible w/o finasterid because I admit that the sides scare me off too much!

 

[Grasshüpfer]

never tried finasteride, duta etc. I'm on Keto and minoxidil only, but keto does absolutely nothing. I was wondering if I let's say am not a good responder to keto, would it be the same with finasteride and therefore with s-equol. Maybe someone who takes finasteride could answer this question

No that just means that keto is too weak for your hairloss. Get on finasteride. Keto alone with minoxidil ist just helping cases of very slow hairloss.

 

[wilfred]

2017 is shaping up to be an exciting year! We should get some solid answers as to whether Brotzu's lotion, shiseido, follica, pilofocus or histogen HSC works. We're long overdue to have an upgrade from finasteride and minoxidil.

 

[tadaaa84]

Hi guys, as many others I've been silently following this crazy thread
And my point of view on the trail is this: If they can proof the lotion stopped the hair loss for all (or let's say the majority) of patients - I'd say they 100% succeeded! As apparently regrowth takes time with this lotion - I heard it can take up to a year and longer - it is unlikely that most patients have amazing regrowth already in the 6 month trails. So maybe - if we see it from that point of view - our expectations are more realistic and more likely to be met

 

[Pavi]

Im on topical spironolactone i had sides from oral that made it hard to take without birth control pills..

I have no sides on topical spironolactone.

Cant speak for finasteride but what would be the difference between Hasson and Wong and others? What is the science?

Their vehicle. Go to their site or google hasson & Wong topical finasteride

 

[surfer9]

Damn I had on idea about that table. That makes me far more optimistic about this lotion, the only thing which annoys me is the horrible quality of those pictures, and the unfair parting.

Yes, definitely makes you a bit concerned. I mean in this day and age how do you take photos of such low quality, looks like they were taken with a potato. You are presenting what are 'good to excellent' results according to your charts and you only show us photos of 2 candidates and the photos look like they were taken in 1984, not exactly professional, or convincing.

The photo of the brunette: Isn't it pretty normal to have the scalp showing when you comb it that way, as well as hold hair down like that? Then in the after photo they haven't replicated a centre parting, and there is no hand holding the hair down, so of course it isn't going to show the scalp the way it did in the first photo.

The photo of the ginger: Again, the hair has been brushed differently in each photo. The before photo shows the hair spread apart, the after photo shows it combed down + it looks longer. How do we know this isn't a comb over. You could have combed the hair in the same way as the before photo, but no.

Not exactly confidence boosting.

 

[rafiles]

Interesting that they wrote early regrowth of hair. Was it because they expected it to continue to improve with further treatment?

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Is this Trump, No It shows only the treatment results of eight middle aged women.

What about men, young men, with pictures from 21st century.

 

[surfer9]

Yeah the photos suck. All I can say is the dude is what, 81, and he was doing personal trials with maybe his son who is 50+. I doubt they invested in production equipment to take the photos and instead just used an old camera they had. Fidia will most likely deliver a professional set of photos if they have good results.

You could be right. They are probably not down with the kids in terms of technology, but still - the way the hair is presented is a bit of a joke in terms of the way it has been combed.

 

[MomoGee]

2017 is shaping up to be an exciting year! We should get some solid answers as to whether Brotzu's lotion, shiseido, follica, pilofocus or histogen HSC works. We're long overdue to have an upgrade from finasteride and minoxidil.

Histogen definitely works based on their phase 2 results.

 

[Pavi]

Histogen definitely works based on their phase 2 results.

I agree! Now it's a matter of how much hair can they grow with how many injections

But

Histogen admits that their treatment is susceptible to DHT. You would either have to take finasteride or repeat the procedure when your hair thins again

 

[mghrs]

I agree! Now it's a matter of how much hair can they grow with how many injections

But

Histogen admits that their treatment is susceptible to DHT. You would either have to take finasteride or repeat the procedure when your hair thins again

or just make it like a dentist visit, several times a year. depending on your hair loss and the response to treatment you might even it once a year.

 

[hairblues]

Histogen definitely works based on their phase 2 results.

LOL meanwhile on that thread there is debate about the pics...lol.

i agree though I am looking forward to hearing more on this one.

 

[jc3303]

You don't need an anti androgen with histogen. In the interview they said histogens effects will last for one hair cycle (2-7 years) and after that you'll need repeat injections. So you could reasonably expect to get 4 years worry free with just some injections.

 

[paxis]

So much promising stuff on the pipeline.. Yet nothing is available.. The sad thing is we know it exists already, but still have to wait and see how our hair falls out because years of trials and marketing and funding and and and...

Brotzu Lotion just has to work. Even though its so close to hit the market it still feels like a decade to wait.

 

[cratusg]

Good morning everybody, sorry if I bother you again with this story, but I am now providing the last translation of DaftPunk from BC about that Alfredo Rossi:

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" Those specific terms he was using, I was understanding, my dad is a doctor and I am a curious who asked all of the questions of this world since I was born [it's tremendous to translate this guy, believe me], he [refers to Rossi] mentioned sides of PGE1, but he did not explained them. He says he saw what Brotzu presented, but he says also the numbers he gave were impossible, I was trying to remind him the results Brotzu showed and the fact everybody had benefits, but he shaked his head".

Let's end this senseless dermatologist thing here, really.

So basically this derm is saying that everything brotzu told and showed at the conference is all fake? Haven't seen it myself but according to other people here they saw pics of AA patients from the conference on YouTube having decent regrowth? And yet he shakes his head like WTF?

If beps actually could just come here with his thoughts since he has achieved some pretty damn good results so far. I know we will see for ourselves soon enough but everybody is telling different stories here and there and it makes you doubt beps even though he owes us nothing and I really want to trust the guy but it all makes me confused as hell.

 

[Xander94]

So basically this derm is saying that everything brotzu told and showed at the conference is all fake? Haven't seen it myself but according to other people here they saw pics of AA patients from the conference on YouTube having decent regrowth? And yet he shakes his head like WTF?

If beps actually could just come here with his thoughts since he has achieved some pretty damn good results so far. I know we will see for ourselves soon enough but everybody is telling different stories here and there and it makes you doubt beps even though he owes us nothing and I really want to trust the guy but it all makes me confused as hell.

The only one making a bad story is Daftpunk97 a paranoid 18 year old that thinks he sees boxes with the brotzu lotion inside and doctors shaking their heads and cant even speak properly. I wouldn't be worried the lotion will for sure at least be as good as finasteride and stop further loss. The science ,the data, the reputable pharma and vascular surgeon all point towards this. Brotzu said multiple times his name is Giovanni not God.

 

[spring15]

This lotion will at least stop the loss, which is a cure for many of us, for the others a transplant with this will do the trick

We're all gonna make it brahs