Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[paxis]

IF This lotion will at least stop the loss [...]

We're all gonna make it brahs

Corrected it. Damn it has to do it!

 

[Stupidon]

So basically this derm is saying that everything brotzu told and showed at the conference is all fake? Haven't seen it myself but according to other people here they saw pics of AA patients from the conference on YouTube having decent regrowth? And yet he shakes his head like WTF?

I think the guy asked for a cure and the derm has realistic expectation, nothing more than this.

 

[RobinZain]

We look at the mirrors and each week we see lesser hairs.
We look at the head of every guy we meet to check if they share our fate.
We login here everyday in hope of finding something to save us.
We smile on hearing the word Brotzu, at least for now.
If this is a joke, and Brotzu lotion has been a snake oil all along, we may just curse our luck and move on to either accept our balding or bald heads, or in search of the next snake oil, but Giovanni Brotzu, if you are reading this, a curse shall be upon you for your joke at 81 years, which shall see you burn in hell, for breaking the trust 1000's of hair craving baldies have shown in you.

 

[Xenithrising]

We look at the mirrors and each week we see lesser hairs.
We look at the head of every guy we meet to check if they share our fate.
We login here everyday in hope of finding something to save us.
We smile on hearing the word Brotzu, at least for now.
If this is a joke, and Brotzu lotion has been a snake oil all along, we may just curse our luck and move on to either accept our balding or bald heads, or in search of the next snake oil, but Giovanni Brotzu, if you are reading this, a curse shall be upon you for your joke at 81 years, which shall see you burn in hell, for breaking the trust 1000's of hair craving baldies have shown in you.

 

[The 7TH Sense]

Guys, there is another case of another doctor who was asked to provide his opinion about Brotzu lotion. This time the reportage is from an old and experienced user of IESON, he is very reliable and trustworthy, I even messaged him multiple times in these weeks and he really knows what he says.

" Guys, I just came back from a visit to understand the causes of my effluvium.. I've been to a derma of SITRI (without revealing names) and at the end I asked more or less the same things of the user in the other forum, much debated in the last pages... So, at first he says that he knows dr Brotzu very well.. but it seemed he didn't know about this lotion, however ..
Then I asked if he saw Brotzu's presentation at Turin's SITRI congress last month..
And he says that he was at the congress.. But how is it possible that he was at the congress and he didn't know about the lotion ?!
Then he corrects and sayed he remembers..but sayed that Brotzu didn't show any cases.. and the things became very strange.
Now, I don't want to insult this dermatology, even if I didn't say his name.. However I understood the situation and I stopped asking questions.. I only said to him that Brotzu showed in fact many cases at the congress, primarily about kids who recovered totally...Then he must had saw me on another perspective... Maybe was thinking he was standing in front of a poorly informed person, and he was wrong. I started again saying that maybe was a new way to treat kids, given this big possibility, instead of using corthisones. Then the dermatologist loses his smile which accompanied that medical examination.
So he came out with the fact that Alopecia areata and Androgenetic Alopecia have nothing in common... and then the kids could have had spontaneous recoveries ;-) and it was a problem that didn't concern my case.. He said that to certify the effectiveness of the lotion on Androgenetic Alopecia, a trial was needed.. Then I said there was a pharma company named FIDIA who was testing..
Then he said..and this left me shocked..that FIDIA, years ago, organized a big freud about a drug...and we shouldn't rely on that company.. at that point, I gave up (on him, I mean) and I made him happy...
I'm now even more convinced on Brotzu's research and studies..the "others" are not. I leave you the comments ;-)) "

So the user said. Then, below, he added that he mentioned the results were published on "il Dermatologo" and the doctor said the results should appear on important papers. But Il Dermatologo is a very specialized paper...

The users on IESON now think the doctor was only uninformed about the lotion because it regards an another field of studies... And the doctor was only a bit upset because he didn't like to show a lack of informations.

 

[Royaume]

@7th Sense,

so do you think he refers to "Rossi", the guy who said that this lotion will not work?!
Otherwise I am not sure if I fully understood your message or the intention behind your post. Please clarify it.
And thank you for all your information and translation. It really gives us hope.

 

[inmyhead]

I hope Fidia announces something before end of the year

 

[cratusg]

No, this is another dermatologist.
What didn't you understand?

So this basically mean we can't trust fidia anymore and that this lotion most likely is a scam? What is your opinion. I didn't fully understand your post as well :/

 

[The 7TH Sense]

So this basically mean we can't trust fidia anymore and that this lotion most likely is a scam? What is your opinion. I didn't fully understand your post as well :/

Nope.
My opinion, as well as ALL the other forum's member, is that the dermatologists are getting upset about this lotion because it can potentially cure 2 pathologies, being a cosmetic with no prescription / recipe needed, so no dermatology exam aswell. It's crystal evidence doctors do not know anything about it, they are full of speculations and this is due to the fact that they can't provide scientific explanations even when asked, they are just skeptical: fortunately, there are many trustworthy tricologists full of humility that are taking their time before stating their judgement about this lotion. There are, aswell, the others, who can't do this but they can't support their speculations with specific demonstrations about why it SHOULD not work.
This lack of professionalism reach its epitome when this doctor tried to close the conversation naming an old scam from fidia which did not even explained nor mentioned better, even when asked.

What do you want to follow, speculation and skepticism or scientific proves and demonstrations?
Brotzu did a great job and someone in this field is probably hating, but there are many others who wait for trials before stating opinions. We should follow who carries scientific stats. Guess what, this is our doctor Brotzu!

 

[Royaume]

I thought exactly the same xD

 

[Pavi]

Basically the hype around this lotion should resume lol

 

[Xander94]

I emailed fidia and got the standard reply. It seems to me reading the earlier posts in the thread that Fidia was alot more communicative at the beginning , now they don't say anything this makes me a bit nervous. But I'm sure the lotion will work at some extent at least as a replacement to finasteride. The only thing that really worries me is Fidia not releasing the actual lotion.

 

[MrJolly16]

It´s not that they don´t want to share information, they are just tired of reading us! Hope @beps63 comes back now that Christmas time is almost here, because we need our present (with one is more than enough I think, please guys dont be that greedy!).

 

[worm]

Nope.
My opinion, as well as ALL the other forum's member, is that the dermatologists are getting upset about this lotion because it can potentially cure 2 pathologies, being a cosmetic with no prescription / recipe needed, so no dermatology exam aswell. It's crystal evidence doctors do not know anything about it, they are full of speculations and this is due to the fact that they can't provide scientific explanations even when asked, they are just skeptical: fortunately, there are many trustworthy tricologists full of humility that are taking their time before stating their judgement about this lotion. There are, aswell, the others, who can't do this but they can't support their speculations with specific demonstrations about why it SHOULD not work.
This lack of professionalism reach its epitome when this doctor tried to close the conversation naming an old scam from fidia which did not even explained nor mentioned better, even when asked.

What do you want to follow, speculation and skepticism or scientific proves and demonstrations?
Brotzu did a great job and someone in this field is probably hating, but there are many others who wait for trials before stating opinions. We should follow who carries scientific stats. Guess what, this is our doctor Brotzu!

What's interesting about your previous post, was that the dermatologist refused to even acknowledge the presentation in the first place. Then when confronted he said there were no pictures, then when those were brought up, he backtracked and said they were inconclusive. His story was shifting every following sentence, which is obviously a telltale sign he was lying. If he thinks Fidia is a fraud, then wtf is he doing at their conference in the first place?

Seems you could be right, that he's just scared he'll lose biz. It basically adds further evidence that this lotion is in fact "the real deal"!

 

[IggyPop]

It's crystal evidence doctors do not know anything about it, they are full of speculations and this is due to the fact that they can't provide scientific explanations even when asked

This and like you said in your earlier post, they are a bit ashamed, they can´t answer your questions, maybe combined with some jealousy that some retired doctor in his 80s might prove them all wrong.

 

[Blackber]

I emailed fidia and got the standard reply. It seems to me reading the earlier posts in the thread that Fidia was alot more communicative at the beginning , now they don't say anything this makes me a bit nervous. But I'm sure the lotion will work at some extent at least as a replacement to finasteride. The only thing that really worries me is Fidia not releasing the actual lotion.

They don't say anything because people email them everyday asking the same questions over and over when they've said from day 1 that after the trials are over there will be a press release.

Everyone keeps asking "when will the trials be over?" The answer is - when Fidia makes a press release.

 

[Armando Jose]

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Nothing new under the sun, but I don’t think that a lot of people paid attention to that table from this article: https://www.docdroid.net/DQqlrBx/brotzu-il-dermatologo-anno-xxxvii-n1-2015-marzo.pdf.html

It shows the treatment results of eight middle aged women with androgenetic alopecia who used the lotion for three months.

The results were graded after 15, 30, 60 and finally 90 days of treatment. They graded the results as one of three responses: no effect, hair loss stopped or new hair growth. The final results were graded as fair, good or excellent. I translated the table as you can see here:

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Before and after pictures of two of the subject’s final results after three months were also shown in the article:

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This woman, referred to as A.C, was 66 years old and her final result was graded as excellent at the end of the study. There’s also a comment under the picture which says that she had stopped losing hair and had early regrowth of hair.

Interesting that they wrote early regrowth of hair. Was it because they expected it to continue to improve with further treatment?

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The other subject, referred to as S.U.S was 55 years old (or 50 as it says in the table). Her final result was graded as ‘good’ at the end of the study.

Personally, I think her result looked even better than the first subject. But maybe it has to do with the way they parted her hair in the before picture.

This study should be proof that the lotion also is effective in the treatment of androgenetic alopecia, at least in some individuals.

If it works for you and me we’ll just have to wait and see. But given that it was reported that hair loss stopped in all eight subjects and five out of them were reported to have new hair growth at the end of the study, I believe the chances are good that it will be an effective treatment for a lot of people here too.

No men in the study?

 

[Armando Jose]

Hi guys, as many others I've been silently following this crazy thread
And my point of view on the trail is this: If they can proof the lotion stopped the hair loss for all (or let's say the majority) of patients - I'd say they 100% succeeded! As apparently regrowth takes time with this lotion - I heard it can take up to a year and longer - it is unlikely that most patients have amazing regrowth already in the 6 month trails. So maybe - if we see it from that point of view - our expectations are more realistic and more likely to be met

The key is in the definition of "Stop the hair loss", In a healthy hair must exist ever some hairs falling, ....., stop completely the hair loss is not natural. Then when we talk about stop the hair loss, we are talking about the blow up some hairs replacing the lost's hairs.

 

[Armando Jose]

It´s not that they don´t want to share information, they are just tired of reading us! Hope @beps63 comes back now that Christmas time is almost here, because we need our present (with one is more than enough I think, please guys dont be that greedy!).

Are growing and thickering these hairs beps63?
The shadow in the image is a terminal hair, is it so?
A lot of luck

 

[Armando Jose]

What's interesting about your previous post, was that the dermatologist refused to even acknowledge the presentation in the first place. Then when confronted he said there were no pictures, then when those were brought up, he backtracked and said they were inconclusive. His story was shifting every following sentence, which is obviously a telltale sign he was lying. If he thinks Fidia is a fraud, then wtf is he doing at their conference in the first place?

Seems you could be right, that he's just scared he'll lose biz. It basically adds further evidence that this lotion is in fact "the real deal"!

Or is it envy that is not the same one who works in Fidia? One of the largest in Italy, it seems.