Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[Captain Rex]

u did a f*****g great job man, f*****g great job.
@The 7TH Sense go f*** yourself in your own ***.

now where's that @beps63

 

[SamFT]

Im still going to wait for Fidia.. This still isn't new news they've been talking about stability issues with this lotion for awhile.. Could be snake oil might not be let just see what fidia has to say after trials

 

[The 7TH Sense]

u did a f*****g great job man, f*****g great job.
@The 7TH Sense go f*** yourself in your own ***.

I'm really out of words... I'm checking the vocabulary, but I can't find any words to describe your unbelievably stupidity...

First: you may be too ignorant to even think at the word "scientific" without having seizures and cold sweating, but let me explain it to you. In the scientific world, happily inhabited by people who work for human benefit and who have a solid culture and mindset (so, the exact opposite of you), the scientific method is used. In this world, we are aware that all different humans and organisms are biologically different, and we have slight variations regarding the response to external interactions (such as drugs). So, when a drug / cosmetic is tested, typically the response of the subjects should vary: here we have statistics. Even Finasteride does not work for everybody, we have some people that even don't respond at all to the treatment.

Minute 13:54:

As you can see, a proper study on Areata was made by Brotzu and presented at Turin's SITRI, and the fact that only 2 subjects didn't respond at all is EXTREMELY positive.
But, I guess it is too complicated for you.

And your incredibly logic is: the father of a little girl said it didn't work specifying ONLY for his daughter, because he was in contact with other parents who were satisfied of the effects on their children.
I can't see how this is the "failure" of the lotion.

Secondly, your really psichological unstable: your first thought was not to say "Damn, Brotzu lotion does not work" (which is already pretty stupid), but instead you immediately made a post tagging me (who are you, to me, I don't know), and saying "go take it in the ***". Dude, is that for real?
It seems that, instead of hairs, you want to get attention; it's really worrying that you are using a forum of hair loss to pump your ego saying "LOL you are retarded, I was right all this time".
Try to mix some Xanax in your Minoxidil, because the anxiety of proving me wrong is consuming you...

It's a shame that you'll probably be able either way to buy the lotion when it will be marketed just like all of us.

Post Scriptum: I actually have more hairs than you can ever imagine to get even after 50 transplants with Tsuji. I think if the lotion fails, it will be more of a problem for you... You better change your mind and start praying.

 

[FutureSaitama]

This thread used to keep me sane while my hairs were fading away, now, it's a clusterfuck. Shame...

 

[Xander94]

This thread used to keep me sane while my hairs were fading away, now, it's a clusterfuck. Shame...

Same I have all but abandoned my sanity

 

[mr_robot]

This thread seriously need to die or made into a zombie movie.

 

[givemeregrowth]

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However, I'll try to state another time a point: if Beps is really Giuseppe Brotzu (and we know that at 99% he is), months ago he still had his profile Facebook unlocked, so an user of this forum checked his profile and the photo in which he was tagged and reported them to me: really, 4-5 years ago he was slick bald, now in a photo of 2 years ago, he was showing a decent regrowth (even in frontal area!), and you know I'm reliable when evaluating a Norwood Scale. He went to 5A to something minor. Didn't seem a 3 at that moment, but in this 2 years he should have improved.

I can't find his old pictures but I've found his picture from 2015 .He is still bald but I can see hair in NW3 area,very diffuse but still, it's something.

 

[ironix]

So an angry father, which we know nothing about, is now more trustworthy than a doctor which presented his results on AA on a conference in italy?

 

[Captain Rex]

I'm really out of words... I'm checking the vocabulary, but I can't find any words to describe your unbelievably stupidity...

dude, listen to me I am not trying to be stupid but what i am saying is the truth. MARK MY WORDS. You are a hopeless case. I am trying to prove that this is a total scam.

First: you may be too ignorant to even think at the word "scientific" without having seizures and cold sweating, but let me explain it to you. In the scientific world, happily inhabited by people who work for human benefit and who have a solid culture and mindset (so, the exact opposite of you), the scientific method is used.

don't even bother to explain the word "scientific", you don't even deserve that. You are showing the presentation of Alopecia Areata to justify that the fact it may work on Androgenetic Alopecia and that is bullshit. now JUST SHUT UP. JUST SHUT UP. That doesn't make any sense.
AA and Androgenetic Alopecia are f*****g diff. thing. Those are completely different.thing for f***'s sakes.

AA is caused by auto immune disease and Androgenetic Alopecia is caused by androgen and decrease in the no. of DP cells.
GET THAT FIXED in your mind now.

i don't give a f*** about what a prof. believes (science is not about believing but proving which that prof. hasn't done in the case of Androgenetic Alopecia).
And here's the thing, you can't use the drug of diabetes to cure Parkinson's disease. So, just SHUT UP. This is total scam from the beginning.

As you can see, a proper study on Areata was made by Brotzu and presented at Turin's SITRI, and the fact that only 2 subjects didn't respond at all is EXTREMELY positive.
But, I guess it is too complicated for you.

yeah that's the whole point, mate. They did test on AA and got good results and that's OK very nice but who gives a sh*t about it. We want something effective for Androgenetic Alopecia . You are missing the whole point here. You are showing data of AA to prove that it works on Androgenetic Alopecia too.
My dear Sir, the foundation of your argument is baseless.

who are you, to me, I don't know

WHO AM I? I'll be the Mr. Pain In Your *** now. Mark my words. whenever there is an update or data release of any other company, I will be tagging you all the time and prove it to you that YOUR BROTZU is worthless when compared to others. You guys don't even have a f*****g data yet regarding Androgenetic Alopecia.

It seems that, instead of hairs, you want to get attention; it's really worrying that you are using a forum of hair loss to pump your ego saying "LOL you are retarded, I was right all this time".

i don't need any attention. It doesn't make any sense why you said that. You are the complete moron here and raising false hopes all the time which has to be stopped.
And " LOL you are retarded, I was right all this time". This is true.

Try to mix some Xanax in your Minoxidil, because the anxiety of proving me wrong is consuming you...

who the f*** told you i use minoxidil? i don't, so stop making assumption and you are doing the same thing here, only assumptions and nothing else
IT MIGHT WORK FOR Androgenetic Alopecia and who said that, the professor said that. END OF STORY. There's no data or any official news related to Androgenetic Alopecia.
You guys are just holding onto the TERM HAIRLOSS mentioned in their site and even after the whole drama thing where they wrote areata first, only to change it to a vague word hairloss.
So just shut up, know your limits and don't daydream.

because the anxiety of proving me wrong is consuming you...

dude i am not proving you wrong, the whole scenario and the current situation is proving you wrong.
remember how positive you were that they will release the lotion in 2017 but what's the reality now? huh.
SO YOU ARE WRONG and WILL BE WRONG.

It's a shame that you'll probably be able either way to buy the lotion when it will be marketed just like all of us.

It's a shame that day will never come.

Post Scriptum: I actually have more hairs than you can ever imagine to get even after 50 transplants with Tsuji. I think if the lotion fails, it will be more of a problem for you... You better change your mind and start praying

you don't know the condition of my hair, do you? So how you ended up comparing, ohh wait wait, you assumed and that's what you are doing here.

LOL LOL comparing Tsuji with brotzu!!!! dude GO TAKE SOME REST, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND.

 

[SwissGuy]

Man, this thread is escalating.

As a neutral person, I can only recommend to close this thread until this lotion is released.

 

[Captain Rex]

Man, this thread is escalating.

As a neutral person, I can only recommend to close this thread until this lotion is released.

There's no official data related to Androgenetic Alopecia but we are hitting 400 pages. That's the beauty of this thread. GOT TO ADMIT THAT.

 

[Ärsond]

LOL LOL comparing Tsuji with brotzu!!!!

what do you want from these people. They are mostly retarded in this thread. Even if Brotzu showed a sh*t on SHITri presentation, they still would have been trying to assure the sh*t is a cure.

 

[The 7TH Sense]

WHO AM I? I'll be the Mr. Pain In Your *** now. Mark my words. whenever there is an update or data release of any other company, I will be tagging you all the time and prove it to you that YOUR BROTZU is worthless when compared to others.
(...)
i don't need any attention

Ssssuuuuure.

WHO AM I? I'll be the Mr. Pain In Your *** now. Mark my words.

i don't need any attention

No, you're Mr Nobody pretending to be Mr Know-It-All.
And you know... Nothing.

don't even bother to explain the word "scientific", you don't even deserve that. You are showing the presentation of Alopecia Areata to justify that the fact it may work on Androgenetic Alopecia and that is bullshit. now JUST SHUT UP. JUST SHUT UP. That doesn't make any sense.
AA and Androgenetic Alopecia are f*****g diff. thing. Those are completely different.thing for f***'s sakes.

AA is caused by auto immune disease and Androgenetic Alopecia is caused by androgen and decrease in the no. of DP cells.
GET THAT FIXED in your mind now.

i don't give a f*** about what a prof. believes (science is not about believing but proving which that prof. hasn't done in the case of Androgenetic Alopecia).
And here's the thing, you can't use the drug of diabetes to cure Parkinson's disease. So, just SHUT UP. This is total scam from the beginning.

Let me get it straight: with this message, you clearly show that you came here trying to get your piece (or the entire cake) without knowing the background of Brotzu's discoveries. In the video I linked from Turin' SITRI (the most important hair congress of Italy, involving the best trichologists of the Europe) in which Brotzu had TWO intervents in a single day, the Dr explains perfectly the mechanism of all Alopecias. In that video, the translation of his very forst word is: "Recent studies of many important researchers gave a lot to the matter. In this case, the conclusion is that hair loss is caused by a lot of factors, but the loss itself it's just the last symptom of the pathology. On top, there is ALWAYS, in ALL alopecias, a problem regarding MICROCIRCULATION of the bulb (...)"
Alopecia Areata is caused by the immune system, everybody knows that; what is not clear is HOW the system attacks the follicle. Restoring the microcirculation prevents the follicle to fall for the cause of lack of nutritives and blood supply.
The Androgenetic Alopecia is caused by DHT which goes into the bulb attaching to the receptor, penetrates the Dermal Sheath Cup, and suffocates the follicle. The constant action of DHT destroys the endothelial cells, causing the lack of nutritives even in this case. There are many other factors in the process, but for sure, after the DHT suppression, the reestablishment of the correct microcirculation (that can be properly done only by PGE1 or his precursor DGLA, and not by Minoxidil, which is a vasodilator that acts maximum on the Perycyte -> Brotzu's demonstration) is the main factor treating the Androgenetic Alopecia.
I'm currently studying the biological properties of DGLA thanks to a colleague that works in the Chemical Engineering department in my university, and the vasodilating properties of that molecule are ASTONISHING. PGE1, its descendant, is used in hospitals to induce childbirth and to prevent the vaginal cavity cells to die from blood flow suppression!!!
Everything started since the doctor, treating dyabhetes ulceras with a simil lotion, saw that hairs on the leg of patients exponentially grew... Then one of his collaborators, had the idea to put that lotion on his scalp because he suffered of Androgenetic Alopecia, and the lotion stopped the hairs from falling and from thinning...

Wait, I don't want to re-explain things another time.
I'll get it straight: stop debating things you don't know.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27504707

LOL LOL comparing Tsuji with brotzu!!!! dude GO TAKE SOME REST, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND.

Yeah, if you understood from my message a "Brotzu vs Tsuji" competition, you really are one hell of a moron. I'm not even going to reformulate my thought.
But, from your words, you seem to believe in Tsuji and you reacted like I was insulting your God. You know that your Lord has currently only 1 scientific publication in 2012? Brotzu was quoted in A LOT of thricological papers, such as Il Dermatologo, plus in the video that you didn't watch, the vast majority points in his ppt had a reference to Noble-prize winners. Not to sh*t on Tsuji's parade, but right now Brotzu has demonstrated A LOT more, and yet you pretend to be so highly scientific to even evade my arguments by default...
Before you misunderstand this too: I firmly believe also in Tsuji.

You are an attention seeker and you're only trying to flame, but you don't know sh*t about Brotzu's researches, I am Italian and I followed his congresses since the beginning and gathered an opinion on a scientific base.

you don't know the condition of my hair, do you? So how you ended up comparing, ohh wait wait, you assumed and that's what you are doing here.

Yeah, just shave it, bro.


Enough said. I'm not going to lose anymore my time with you, because I'm really tired of repeating over and over the same things.
You should vanish at the speed you came here.

My last 4 cents on you.

 

[ironix]

Let me get it straight: with this message, you clearly show that you came here trying to get your piece (or the entire cake) without knowing the background of Brotzu's discoveries. In the video I linked from Turin' SITRI (the most important hair congress of Italy, involving the best trichologists of the Europe) in which Brotzu had TWO intervents in a single day, the Dr explains perfectly the mechanism of all Alopecias. In that video, the translation of his very forst word is: "Recent studies of many important researchers gave a lot to the matter. In this case, the conclusion is that hair loss is caused by a lot of factors, but the loss itself it's just the last symptom of the pathology. On top, there is ALWAYS, in ALL alopecias, a problem regarding MICROCIRCULATION of the bulb (...)"
Alopecia Areata is caused by the immune system, everybody knows that; what is not clear is HOW the system attacks the follicle. Restoring the microcirculation prevents the follicle to fall for the cause of lack of nutritives and blood supply.
The Androgenetic Alopecia is caused by DHT which goes into the bulb attaching to the receptor, penetrates the Dermal Sheath Cup, and suffocates the follicle. The constant action of DHT destroys the endothelial cells, causing the lack of nutritives even in this case. There are many other factors in the process, but for sure, after the DHT suppression, the reestablishment of the correct microcirculation (that can be properly done only by PGE1 or his precursor DGLA, and not by Minoxidil, which is a vasodilator that acts maximum on the Perycyte -> Brotzu's demonstration) is the main factor treating the Androgenetic Alopecia.

At least someone is using his brain.

@Captain Rex here is something you maybe wanna read before you say there is no evidence for Androgenetic Alopecia:

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search...onid=B03A3B235C0FB356DF3D61DD0E5CE1DD.wapp1nC

 

[g.i joey]

My last 4 cents on you.

Yo @Captain Rex chill man, this guy wasted 4 sense on you, he only has 3 left and we need it for when the lotion drops.

 

[Xander94]

Thing is Beps gave us expectation of lotion being out and now dissapeared without any reasoning he didn't explain what problems Fidia was having he said everything was fine and simple..

 

[Follisket]

"Alopecia areata (hair loss) is not a life-threatening disease, nevertheless it can cause serious distress in people."

Just to refresh you guys' memory.

 

[ironix]

Thing is Beps gave us expectation of lotion being out and now dissapeared without any reasoning he didn't explain what problems Fidia was having he said everything was fine and simple..

Fidia probabely forbid beps and also dr. brotzu to talk about the lotion and the ongoing trials. Beps mentioned that he signes a contract with fidia.

 

[Armando Jose]

Translation:
Hi everyone, i'm the father of Gaia, one of the two sicilian girls.
January 2016 first encounter with Dr. Brotzu and son.
His words after seeing Gaia have been these: "this is a simple case, three months of cure and everything will go back to normal". Since then, she lost the four hairs she had left.
May 2016 we return to visit (no results from the lotion) and they tell us that the lotion we were using was not the definitive version and that they had problems with the liposomes being too big to penetrate the scalp and also that the bottles didn't conserve the lotion well, leading to deteroration. They give us the new lotion in September 2016 we had no results again and return in Sardegna hopeful.
December 2016 still no results but they tell us to keep going two times a day and that the results will come, like it happened to another woman in Basilicata. He had no lotion to give us at the moment
January 2017 we try to contact the professor but get no answer, until some days ago:

"Dr. Brotzu here. Fidia told me to no longer share nor produce any lotion, since they bought the rights"

This is our story, i'm saddened and wanted to share, since you talked about my daughter in this forum. Dr Brotzu handwaved the failure with my daughter as "psychogenic alopecia".

Gaia is five years old today and she keeps asking why we don't use the lotion since her hair still isn't regrowing, therefore i invite these people to give me an explanation.
Many thanks.
Very angry.

Source: IESON forums.
Translation: done by me, not Google Translate. Trust me, i'm italian.

After this, it's safe to say this lotion is snake oil.
You can kill this thread.

VAYA TELA .....

 

[SwissGuy]

Alright enough of this sh*t, get your Luparas, Dr. Brotzu and Beps will sing like a canary and break the Omertà