Just Donated $200 To Send Hellouser To Japan.

[That Guy]

I've warned them about mooches and sponges such as yourself.

And if people listen to me I will save them some money because sooner or later you will contribute if people stop donating.

How many hairs have you grown on anyone else's head? Answer - ZERO.
All you've done with people is try to separate them from their money...try to get them to pay your way.

Lol you are an absolute joke, dude — just pay a hooker to get laid, maybe you'll chill the f*** out and come to your senses.

Try not to dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back for donating $200.

Most of the sane people will continue to follow the companies, the official sources, regardless and the companies will continue to announce the news themselves because when people have something great they want to share in the information age, they're just gonna go ahead and publish it themselves with no special, once every two years occasion — as we've seen time and again.

 

[nameless]

Lol you are an absolute joke, dude — just pay a hooker to get laid, maybe you'll chill the f*** out and come to your senses.

Try not to dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back for donating $200.

Most of the sane people will continue to follow the companies, the official sources, regardless and the companies will continue to announce the news themselves because when people have something great they want to share in the information age, they're just gonna go ahead and publish it themselves with no special, once every two years occasion — as we've seen time and again.

Like I said, there's a postscript to MY donation story.

Yea and you're totally cool with waiting an additional year or two for those press-releases rather than getting the information in a few months from the Congress??? I really don't think so. But then again, I've been involved with negotiations before. There's only one way to deal with someone like you - put you in a position where you either do the right thing or you don't get what you want. And you do want the Congress information in a few months rather than having to wait a year or two for that same information. The the only way to force you to contribute is if other posters will withhold donations. But some of the posters here can't be cool and wait you out so they would rather pay your way then cope with the pressure. And you're thinking that their weakness will compel them to pay your way.

This Congress date happens to be landing in-between study completion dates plus we have a very good rapport with the research teams. That means the situation is ripe for getting some information early you stupid mooch. And by early I mean a year to 2 years early. There's a good chance that this is the last Congress before the cure.

 

[That Guy]

Like I said, there's a postscript to MY donation story.

Yea and you're totally cool with waiting an additional year or two for those press-releases rather than getting the information in a few months from the Congress??? I really don't think so. But then again, I've been involved with negotiations before. There's only one way to deal with someone like you - put you in a position where you either do the right thing or you don't get what you want. And you do want the Congress information in a few months rather than having to wait a year or two for that same information. The the only way to force you to contribute is if other posters will withhold donations. But some of the posters here can't be cool and wait you out so they would rather pay your way then cope with the pressure. And you're thinking that their weakness will compel them to pay your way.

This Congress date happens to be landing in-between study completion dates plus we have a very good rapport with the research teams. That means the situation is ripe for getting some information early you stupid mooch. And by early I mean a year to 2 years early. There's a good chance that this is the last Congress before the cure.

Press releases don't come out "a year or two after" and you know it lol. Most of the time, the press release is the first time anyone outside of the company is made aware of anything.

I'm being dead serious with you: I'm almost ready to move on from this place.

The big 3 have worked out for me, 1 year later. My hair is pretty much in the shape it was a while before I noticed I was losing it little more than a year ago. All I need is something that can restore the hairline itself to its former glory and I'm good. I could probably be a NW1 with a transplant, but I don't want to risk it or spend that much because Follica should be out next year or soon after and that would be a superior option for me to a transplant. Hell, if dermarolling could give me the results the lucky users have seen, I'd be cured now.

It's not to say I don't still feel self-conscious about it, but it's not completely destroying my life anymore. I'm not quite as desperate as you.

Hairloss research has become something that I find interesting, I want to see cured because of how it kills your self-esteem and body image and I believe it will be cured; hell, I'll go so far as to even agree with you that this could be the last conference before the cure, as you say.

So no, I don't care if I hear about it six weeks later and it's not like simply being made "aware" of some development is bringing it to market faster — but still, major developments are always unveiled publicly by companies themselves anyway. They are not going to wait "years" after the conference to tell everyone about a development that will make them millions at the least or put them on the map for awards.

Anyway, I'm done listening to your ravings in this thread.

 

[hellouser]

You're delusional if you think that any pertinent info from the conference isn't going to make it's way into other sources.

You're lying. Show me ONE source of reporting on any subject from either the 2014 or 2015 hair congress that me and Desmond84 attended either at all or within a respectable timeframe after those congresses.

Not sure what you're trying to prove.

 

[That Guy]

You're lying. Show me ONE source of reporting on any subject from either the 2014 or 2015 hair congress that me and Desmond84 attended either at all or within a respectable timeframe after those congresses.

Not sure what you're trying to prove.

Show me once source that was a big deal from either of those conferences.

I have already proved my point.

If information is not leaving those conferences, it's because the people bringing it know that it is not something of significance to anyone outside of the circle that would specifically attend the conference.

If you have some ground-breaking cancer research, skin regeneration therapy, etc. do you hang on to it until some conference to share it?

Nope. Again, nobody does this. Not RepliCel, not Cotsarelis on the scarless healing research, not Tsuji and his discoveries, not Riken and Kyocera's deal, not PolairtyTE, not L'Oreal, not Samumed, not any company in the pipeline or in any other area of medicine. Nobody does this.

They publish their findings for peer review, inform investors and issue a press release if it is worth discussing — they either keep what they've got on a strict, need-to-know basis like Follica is doing or they just come out and say what's happening.

The kind of info one is likely to get from attending such a conference is esoteric knowledge that appeals to guys like InBeforeTheCure and Swoop. Most people here and everywhere else just want to know "is the cure coming and what's the release date?"

and you bet your boots they will find out about that and again, all the major breakthroughs thus far have not been kept wrapped up like a Christmas present we only get to open at a hairloss conference.

P.S.

I'm not against you going or saying it's a total waste of time, but I think it's extremely unlikely you're going to get anything earth-shattering and it's an objectively false claim that pertinent information isn't actively reported on by the media and unveiled by companies themselves. We've been talking about it for a year, steady.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Show me once source that was a big deal from either of those conferences.

I have already proved my point.

If information is not leaving those conferences, it's because the people bringing it know that it is not something of significance to anyone outside of the circle that would specifically attend the conference.

If you have some ground-breaking cancer research, skin regeneration therapy, etc. do you hang on to it until some conference to share it?

Nope. Again, nobody does this. Not RepliCel, not Cotsarelis on the scarless healing research, not Tsuji and his discoveries, not Riken and Kyocera's deal, not PolairtyTE, not L'Oreal, not Samumed, not any company in the pipeline or in any other area of medicine. Nobody does this.

They publish their findings for peer review, inform investors and issue a press release if it is worth discussing — they either keep what they've got on a strict, need-to-know basis like Follica is doing or they just come out and say what's happening.

The kind of info one is likely to get from attending such a conference is esoteric knowledge that appeals to guys like InBeforeTheCure and Swoop. Most people here and everywhere else just want to know "is the cure coming and what's the release date?"

and you bet your boots they will find out about that and again, all the major breakthroughs thus far have not been kept wrapped up like a Christmas present we only get to open at a hairloss conference.

P.S.

I'm not against you going or saying it's a total waste of time, but I think it's extremely unlikely you're going to get anything earth-shattering and it's an objectively false claim that pertinent information isn't actively reported on by the media and unveiled by companies themselves. We've been talking about it for a year, steady.

After interviewing the CEO of Follica and getting nothing earth shattering from the interview, I can see your point. They can only reveal so much due to legal obligations.

 

[H]

Wouldnt Riken announce they've accomplished the culturing shortly after?

 

[Dus]

I'm not against you going or saying it's a total waste of time.

You debating this sh*t and this entire subforum is a waste of time. If people want to do this, let them.

 

[nameless]

Press releases don't come out "a year or two after" and you know it lol. Most of the time, the press release is the first time anyone outside of the company is made aware of anything.

I'm being dead serious with you: I'm almost ready to move on from this place.

The big 3 have worked out for me, 1 year later. My hair is pretty much in the shape it was a while before I noticed I was losing it little more than a year ago. All I need is something that can restore the hairline itself to its former glory and I'm good. I could probably be a NW1 with a transplant, but I don't want to risk it or spend that much because Follica should be out next year or soon after and that would be a superior option for me to a transplant. Hell, if dermarolling could give me the results the lucky users have seen, I'd be cured now.

It's not to say I don't still feel self-conscious about it, but it's not completely destroying my life anymore. I'm not quite as desperate as you.

Hairloss research has become something that I find interesting, I want to see cured because of how it kills your self-esteem and body image and I believe it will be cured; hell, I'll go so far as to even agree with you that this could be the last conference before the cure, as you say.

So no, I don't care if I hear about it six weeks later and it's not like simply being made "aware" of some development is bringing it to market faster — but still, major developments are always unveiled publicly by companies themselves anyway. They are not going to wait "years" after the conference to tell everyone about a development that will make them millions at the least or put them on the map for awards.

Anyway, I'm done listening to your ravings in this thread.

What you call "ravings" is really just a case of someone disagreeing with you and calling you out on your bullshit.

And even if you supposedly leave you'll hang here quietly so you can view any new developments, including the info from the Hair Loss Congress, as soon as Hellouser posts it. You DO care if you have to wait longer for that info and you don't want to wait for the press releases, which will be much later.

Press releases come AFTER study completion and you know it. Shiseido's study won't complete until mid-to-late 2018. You don't want to wait that long for the information if you don't have to. If Hellouser goes to the Congress he'll get preliminary results from Shiseido in just a couple months and you know that as well. You know that if you get the information from Hellouser's Congress trip that means you'll get the info 9 - 15 months sooner than if you wait for the for that info to come in a press-release. Tsuji's studies won't complete until sometime in 2019 so the press release will take even longer for Tsuji and you would rather get preliminary Tsuji info in a few months than wait until 2019 to hear from Tsuji.

You talk about Follica as if that is the treatment you're really mostly waiting for but you know that Follica looks suspicious. It looks like it could be nothing more than a fancy packaged minoxidil with wounding. You know the biggest hopes are really Shiseido and Tsuji and press-releases won't come from them until mid to late 2018 (Shiseido) and 2019 (Tsuji).

As far as you leaving goes, I could care less except for the fact that I know you'll be lurking for new hair loss information, especially information from Hellouser's Congress trrip. You're nothing but a useless mooch.

 

[nameless]

After interviewing the CEO of Follica and getting nothing earth shattering from the interview, I can see your point. They can only reveal so much due to legal obligations.

Hair loss research wasn't as close to a cure at the time of past hair loss Congresses as it is NOW.

It appears that the researchers are MUCH closer to a cure (maybe even multiple cures) than they have ever been.

For example, do you think hair loss research today is still at the same stage now that it was at, at the time of the First Hair Loss Congress?

 

[nameless]

Wouldnt Riken announce they've accomplished the culturing shortly after?

Shiseido should give preliminary results at the Congress in a few months. If they don't give results on their own at their presentation then Hellouser would ask them for info during an interview.

If you don't get those preliminary results then Shiseido will release their results in mid-to-late 2018 shortly AFTER their ongoing study finishes. We're talking about a difference of 9 - 15 months.

And keep in mind that media did not publicize any news from the last Hair Loss Congress so there's no way to be 100% sure the media will report anything from the 2017 Congress. They might, but they might not. And even if the media does report something then the info will likely be shallow, without much detail. I guarantee that that-guy will be reading Hellouser's information from the Congress because he wants Hellouser's complete detailed information.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Hair loss research wasn't as close to a cure at the time of past hair loss Congresses as it is NOW.

It appears that the researchers are MUCH closer to a cure (maybe even multiple cures) than they have ever been.

For example, do you think hair loss research today is still at the same stage now that it was at, at the time of the First Hair Loss Congress?

I don't know if they are going to call it a "cure" as male pattern baldness will still happen unless somehow the genes can be shut off before they express. However, I do think there might be better treatments to slow it down to a snail's pace. Or some treatments to bring back past loss.

Nameless, have you thought about trying to participate in some clinical studies some of these doctors offer. I would definitely look to do that if I did not use Propecia and Proxiphen. I would think they would need people around your age too.

 

[nameless]

I don't know if they are going to call it a "cure" as male pattern baldness will still happen unless somehow the genes can be shut off before they express. However, I do think there might be better treatments to slow it down to a snail's pace. Or some treatments to bring back past loss.

Nameless, have you thought about trying to participate in some clinical studies some of these doctors offer. I would definitely look to do that if I did not use Propecia and Proxiphen. I would think they would need people around your age too.

Shiseido or Tsuji could be revolutionary breakthrough treatments and both research groups are giving presentations at the next Congress.

I can't get involved in the studies I would be interested in - Tsuji or Shiseido. Those studies are in Japan and I'm in America. I would pay $25,000 cash to be in the Tsuji study if I could be sure I got active treatment (instead of placebo) and they would give it to me in all of my thinning areas.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Shiseido or Tsuji could be revolutionary breakthrough treatments and both research groups are giving presentations at the next Congress.

I can't get involved in the studies I would be interested in - Tsuji or Shiseido. Those studies are in Japan and I'm in America. I would pay $25,000 cash to be in the Tsuji study if I could be sure I got active treatment (instead of placebo) and they would give it to me in all of my thinning areas.

With that kind of money, you could afford to fly to Japan and participate for free at 2 to 3 month intervals. I would do it if I had the free time and money like that to throw away.

 

[nameless]

Dr. House, I admit that the last I heard researchers are still having gene expression, inductivity, and culture problems. But there has also been some progress in these areas. Late last year and early this year I read some studies that demonstrated extremely promising inductivity preservation during mass pass culture. These problems are probably solved or at least almost solved. I do believe that this will be the last Congress before a breakthrough treatment is created.

 

[nameless]

With that kind of money, you could afford to fly to Japan and participate for free at 2 to 3 month intervals. I would do it if I had the free time and money like that to throw away.

I'll give it a shot. Why not? I'll keep you updated about his response. Does anyone have his email address?

 

[nameless]

Contact Shiseido and Tsuji and say you want to pay 50k to be in their study.

Do you have Tsuji's email address?

Now that I think back on it I think I did email him months ago but I haven't heard back from him. But I'm not sure I had the right email address for him.

 

[hellouser]

The only problem with taking part in the study is you don't know if you'll end up in the placebo group... which would SUCK if you did.

 

[DoctorHouse]

The only problem with taking part in the study is you don't know if you'll end up in the placebo group... which would SUCK if you did.

I think if he is making such an investment, they might feel that have to give him the real thing.

 

[hellouser]

I think if he is making such an investment, they might feel that have to give him the real thing.

Would that even be allowed?