just lol if you dont look like tyson fury (hair havers on suicide watch)

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And women are more aware of their social value and have far more powerful tools to take advantage of it. Men in today's society are somewhat pressured in a way to have a woman (or multiple women) just to fit in which gives women all the power. For example.. earlier today I read a reddit thread about guys who are virgins in their 20's and they say it comes up indirectly in every social interaction which deep down makes them feel alienated.

Ever since I got in a relationship I feel like everybody - parents, pals, coworkers treat me better, as if before people were lowkey wondering what was "wrong" with me. Truth be told it took long because I didn't wanna compromise and go for an unattractive or lower value partner, so I wanted to complete my transplants to feel more secure.
You probably are one of the most level headed people on this forum and your insight is spot on. If you are an outsider, you just don't get treated like the norm. But once you are happy being the outsider and no longer care what society thinks, you will be in a much better position to be successful in whatever you do.
 

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I never used to be into skincare but thanks to societal pressure to maintain my appearance, I’ve got into it.
Just ordered some retinol. Now get told I look like I am younger than my age - I’m 35

A few years ago I was told I looked as though I was in my late 30s - 40s, I didn’t care, now the thought of aging terrifies me.

Back in the day men were much more masculine, since social media, men have been feminized.
Yeah for sure, I can relate. By rocking a certain haircut, having my facial hair trimmed a certain way, working out and dieting, wearing tight clothes.. I seem to fit into some stereotype/label that works for me with women and makes them perceive me and react to me better. It seems that if I try to change just 1 or 2 things I start having problems again lol.
 

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YouTube is the biggest to blame. The people with the most subscribers are the biggest train wrecks in society. And people waste hours and hours watching people do outrageous stupid stuff. I am guilty myself. I watch hours of people feasting on fast food and watch people reviewing fast food new items. I watch fat people engorging in fast food and realize how stupid I become myself. Men are feminized because YouTube teaches you how to be. The people making the most money on Youtube are doing the most stupid non productive things. The health and do it yourself YouTube channels are the only useful channels and worth watching but they tend to be alot less popular.

I find that the people who care least are usually those who are married
 

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Yeah for sure, I can relate. By rocking a certain haircut, having my facial hair trimmed a certain way, working out and dieting, wearing tight clothes.. I seem to fit into some stereotype/label that works for me with women and makes them perceive me and react to me better. It seems that if I try to change just 1 or 2 things I start having problems again lol.

same

interesting one about facial hair, when mine is a stubble, women are a lot more attracted than if it is a beard or clean shaven
 

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same

interesting one about facial hair, when mine is a stubble, women are a lot more attracted than if it is a beard or clean shaven
I always say to do a stubble. When I see bald men grow a large beard I know they do it because of insecurity. It's a disgusting look honestly.
 

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same

interesting one about facial hair, when mine is a stubble, women are a lot more attracted than if it is a beard or clean shaven
I always found a heavy stubble/short beard to be the most effective but recently I got it trimmed shorter on the sides and let it grow long on the chin and then had it tapered towards the middle in a pointy shape and that worked even better with my facial shape. Got compliments from women and my girl loves it tbh
 

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When I shaved my facial hair, didn't have my hairline, didn't have some muscle definition, and/or wore baggy clothes my dates didn't go well

So I gotta stick with the winning formula lol
 

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When I shaved my facial hair, didn't have my hairline, didn't have some muscle definition, and/or wore baggy clothes my dates didn't go well

So I gotta stick with the winning formula lol

Yeah, I think that finding what works for you is key

unfortunately very hard to figure it out , taken me years to somewhat figure out the right style for me
 

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how can you expect anyone to like you, when you don’t even like yourself
The question is ill posed in my opinion. It might be a myth that self confidence or liking oneself is needed for others to like you. But it's definitely a myth that self confidence comes before people like you. In my opinion, people start to like you and then you become confident not the other way round. That's because confidence is a belief in one's own abilities in a particular area. When I was young I had very low self confidence because I had been bullied as a youngster. The few adult years I had with hair and with all remnants of the bullies gone, people were nice to me and my self confidence grew. Then my hair loss started and I learned that a man's worth is almost entirely due to his hair, and that is what has led to posts like the ones above. The only way out is for me to become an outlier i.e. a bald guy who is not a loser, or to have some kind of hair restoration so I am not suffering with the effects of baldness. There is no other way to 'build' self confidence because all manner of imagination exercises and affirmations will be disproved by the evidence coming from one's everyday life.
 

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The question is ill posed in my opinion. It might be a myth that self confidence or liking oneself is needed for others to like you. But it's definitely a myth that self confidence comes before people like you. In my opinion, people start to like you and then you become confident not the other way round. That's because confidence is a belief in one's own abilities in a particular area. When I was young I had very low self confidence because I had been bullied as a youngster. The few adult years I had with hair and with all remnants of the bullies gone, people were nice to me and my self confidence grew. Then my hair loss started and I learned that a man's worth is almost entirely due to his hair, and that is what has led to posts like the ones above. The only way out is for me to become an outlier i.e. a bald guy who is not a loser, or to have some kind of hair restoration so I am not suffering with the effects of baldness. There is no other way to 'build' self confidence because all manner of imagination exercises and affirmations will be disproved by the evidence coming from one's everyday life.

Whilst I agree, it helps a lot if people treat you well for boosting your self-confidence, true confidence is as I said 'liking yourself', to the point if other people do not like you, you can say to yourself 'f*** them, and what they think, I love being @doubleindemnity' and still look at yourself in the mirror with your head held up high.

The problem that you have, is where you automatically assume everyone dislikes you because you are bald, it's a limiting belief, and a reflection of how you view your own baldness.

The truth is, you don't like the way you look without hair, and project that onto others.

I have never met you in person, but I bet you have an insecure vibe, as someone full of self doubt and needs reassurance.

I can tell you right now, even if you do have hair, like I do, not everyone is going to like you, just today I got rejected by a girl on a dating app because of my ethnicity. She couldn't figure it out (I don't look typically Indian), asked me what it was, told her, then ghosted me soon afterwards.

If I thought like you, I would start to beat myself up, and believe that nobody likes me because of it, when it's not true. I have met many women who don't care about my ethnicity.

The truth is not everybody is going to like you, no matter who you are, find people that do!
 

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Whilst I agree, it helps a lot if people treat you well for boosting your self-confidence, true confidence is as I said 'liking yourself', to the point if other people do not like you, you can say to yourself 'f*** them, and what they think, I love being @doubleindemnity' and still look at yourself in the mirror with your head held up high.

The problem that you have, is where you automatically assume everyone dislikes you because you are bald, it's a limiting belief, and a reflection of how you view your own baldness.

The truth is, you don't like the way you look without hair, and project that onto others.

I have never met you in person, but I bet you have an insecure vibe, as someone full of self doubt and needs reassurance.

I can tell you right now, even if you do have hair, like I do, not everyone is going to like you, just today I got rejected by a girl on a dating app because of my ethnicity. She couldn't figure it out (I don't look typically Indian), asked me what it was, told her, then ghosted me soon afterwards.

If I thought like you, I would start to beat myself up, and believe that nobody likes me because of it, when it's not true. I have met many women who don't care about my ethnicity.

The truth is not everybody is going to like you, no matter who you are, find people that do!
These guys are never going to learn the most obvious. It's what you say that is going to make you or break you.
 

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These guys are never going to learn the most obvious. It's what you say that is going to make you or break you.

He thinks hair will be his saving grace, even if he had hair, I guarantee that he will struggle because of his ethnicity.
 

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Whilst I agree, it helps a lot if people treat you well for boosting your self-confidence, true confidence is as I said 'liking yourself', to the point if other people do not like you, you can say to yourself 'f*** them, and what they think, I love being @doubleindemnity' and still look at yourself in the mirror with your head held up high.

The problem that you have, is where you automatically assume everyone dislikes you because you are bald, it's a limiting belief, and a reflection of how you view your own baldness.

The truth is, you don't like the way you look without hair, and project that onto others.

I have never met you in person, but I bet you have an insecure vibe, as someone full of self doubt and needs reassurance.

I can tell you right now, even if you do have hair, like I do, not everyone is going to like you, just today I got rejected by a girl on a dating app because of my ethnicity. She couldn't figure it out (I don't look typically Indian), asked me what it was, told her, then ghosted me soon afterwards.

If I thought like you, I would start to beat myself up, and believe that nobody likes me because of it, when it's not true. I have met many women who don't care about my ethnicity.

The truth is not everybody is going to like you, no matter who you are, find people that do!
and yet you will never wear a system and if i remember correctly you also refused to try finasteride (its too late for that now though)

you would think that a person like you who thinks that hair dictates every aspect life would be more motivated to do something about it
 

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These guys are never going to learn the most obvious. It's what you say that is going to make you or break you.
It really isn't what you say or what you do but how you look. The post there had good intentions but in reality it is only the very special people who can be completely hated and say "**** them all; I am who I am". Many need some positive sentiment. An example is somebody like Novak Djokovic, considered one of the mentally toughest in the sporting world.

I remember going out approaching with a friend who has hair. We said exactly the same things because we were practicing our canned lines, and he had good results, while I had bad ones. I have been on set up dates on which the person had a very good time, and was stimulated by the interaction but didn't see a future for us together because of a lack of connection. I think that these are two good examples where how one looks would have made or broken the results (broken for me).

Are you speaking from experience? I mean, what is your Norwood level?

Edit: Also, no amount of explaining on here will teach us. What will teach us would be us experiencing it for ourselves (that what you say and do matter, not how you look). But since it's not true, we don't experience it and that's why we never learn.
 

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It really isn't what you say or what you do but how you look. The post there had good intentions but in reality it is only the very special people who can be completely hated and say "**** them all; I am who I am". Many need some positive sentiment. An example is somebody like Novak Djokovic, considered one of the mentally toughest in the sporting world.

I remember going out approaching with a friend who has hair. We said exactly the same things because we were practicing our canned lines, and he had good results, while I had bad ones. I have been on set up dates on which the person had a very good time, and was stimulated by the interaction but didn't see a future for us together because of a lack of connection. I think that these are two good examples where how one looks would have made or broken the results (broken for me).

Are you speaking from experience? I mean, what is your Norwood level?

Everything you’ve described has happened to me too and I have a lot more hair than you.
 

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It really isn't what you say or what you do but how you look. The post there had good intentions but in reality it is only the very special people who can be completely hated and say "**** them all; I am who I am". Many need some positive sentiment. An example is somebody like Novak Djokovic, considered one of the mentally toughest in the sporting world.

I remember going out approaching with a friend who has hair. We said exactly the same things because we were practicing our canned lines, and he had good results, while I had bad ones. I have been on set up dates on which the person had a very good time, and was stimulated by the interaction but didn't see a future for us together because of a lack of connection. I think that these are two good examples where how one looks would have made or broken the results (broken for me).

Are you speaking from experience? I mean, what is your Norwood level?

Edit: Also, no amount of explaining on here will teach us. What will teach us would be us experiencing it for ourselves (that what you say and do matter, not how you look). But since it's not true, we don't experience it and that's why we never learn.
Fair enough. You seem to know what works for you and doesn't. I was a full head and decent looking but I failed because of low self esteem and didn't have confidence to engage in conversation so the women would lose interest fast. So don't think having hair is going to guarantee you success but I will agree with you it will help you in some circumstances when the women is attracted to a guy who has hair. True, you have to work harder than the full head but you still have a chance if you can engage and are interesting without projecting to the person you know she is going to leave you eventually for a full head. I lost out to plenty of balding men. The last girl who I lost out too ended dating a balding guy and marrying him. So If I believed in myself, I would have had a better chance. But I can't argue with you because you have been on the opposite side so you know better but I still don't think you would do so much better if you had hair. I would get a hair system and see what happens. If you are more successful than come back and let me know.
 
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