L-Arginine

[CCS]

seems to me that every L-amino acid is supposed to do something, just like every essential oil. You can buy them all at the same site, too. Why not just eat protein?

 

[Bryan]

I'm curious about using it for libido, and would therefore use it "as needed" as Bryan advised. I'm wondering if you're reading this Bryan, about how much you'd take on the day/day before the "hot date"?

It was a long time ago when I was using arginine, and I don't remember the exact timeline for when I started to get the libido-enhancing effect. It almost certainly won't happen after only a single dose. I dunno, I suppose I'd do it myself by starting a couple of days or so before the "hot date" and concentrating on it during that period. For example, suppose that the date is on Saturday night. Ok, I'd take my standard dose of arginine (I was using one level teaspoon, about 3 to 3.5 grams) on Thursday night at bedtime on an empty stomach. Then again the next morning (Friday morning), waiting at least a couple of hours before breakfast. Then again Friday night at bedtime on an empty stomach, and again Saturday morning after waking up (holding off on breakfast again). I _might_ be good-to-go by that evening.

Keep in mind that something like this is going to have to be individualized for each user. Experimentation is going to be necessary. And even though the libido-enhancing effects have been noticed by a lot of people who use arginine, it doesn't seem to work at all for some others.

Bryan

 

[Felk]

I'm curious about using it for libido, and would therefore use it "as needed" as Bryan advised. I'm wondering if you're reading this Bryan, about how much you'd take on the day/day before the "hot date"?

It was a long time ago when I was using arginine, and I don't remember the exact timeline for when I started to get the libido-enhancing effect. It almost certainly won't happen after only a single dose. I dunno, I suppose I'd do it myself by starting a couple of days or so before the "hot date" and concentrating on it during that period. For example, suppose that the date is on Saturday night. Ok, I'd take my standard dose of arginine (I was using one level teaspoon, about 3 to 3.5 grams) on Thursday night at bedtime on an empty stomach. Then again the next morning (Friday morning), waiting at least a couple of hours before breakfast. Then again Friday night at bedtime on an empty stomach, and again Saturday morning after waking up (holding off on breakfast again). I _might_ be good-to-go by that evening.

Keep in mind that something like this is going to have to be individualized for each user. Experimentation is going to be necessary. And even though the libido-enhancing effects have been noticed by a lot of people who use arginine, it doesn't seem to work at all for some others.

Bryan

Thanks for that Bryan

 

[khan]

This might seem like a dumb question but I truly don't know the answer. L'Arginine is a powder, so how are you supposed to consume it?

 

[Sean68]

the powders in a capsule that you swallow.

 

[Bryan]

I recommend the pure powder form. It's cheaper that way. You just swallow a teaspoon at a time. Wash it down with water.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

It may be cheaper but the taste of it is really disgusting hence I recommend the capsules.

 

[Bryan]

The taste is disgusting at first, but you get used to it after a while. BTW, the taste depends a lot on the exact form that you use: the "freebase" is the one that tastes terrible, but the hydrochloride tastes considerably better, IMHO.

Bryan

 

[ShedMaster]

I can attest to l-arginines libido enhancing effects. Works great for me.

 

[Follically Challenged]

I find AAKG pills from NOW Foods convenient. I take 6 to 9 a day. I never had a probalem with libido while on finasteride though, I'm just taking it as a precursor to NO and i stack it with l-onithine to produce HGH.

I saw Suzanne Sommers on Larry King one night and she said she took HGH, but you can make it with a bunch of different amino acids. And in those hgh releases i see they have different amino acids. Does anyone think I should take other amino acids for hgh release?

 

[MPBWarrior]

what do u guys mean by taking arginine as a nitric oxide precursor?

 

[Follically Challenged]

http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/newsletter/article190.htm

 

[Harie]

I find AAKG pills from NOW Foods convenient. I take 6 to 9 a day. I never had a probalem with libido while on finasteride though, I'm just taking it as a precursor to NO and i stack it with l-onithine to produce HGH.

Susanne Summers is an idiot. You can not produce much HGH on your own when you are her age. At her age, you need to inject HGH to get any effects from it. Pretty much once you're in your mid 40's, supplementing arginine won't give you much of an increase in HGH release anyway; and you'll have to resort to injectable HGH.

For those that want an HGH release, you need to take massive dosages of arginine before bed (most HGH release is generated while you are asleep). If you're taking L-Arginine, forget about it, waste of $$. Be a real man/woman and take something like AAKG, Citrulline, Arginine Pyroglutamate or DiArginine Malate. You'll have to take MUCH less and will achieve better results.

4g of DiArginine Malate before bed time should do the trick.

Oh, also, take glutamine in the AM.

Oh yeah, and definitely cycle the Arginine. 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

 

[Bryan]

For those that want an HGH release, you need to take massive dosages of arginine before bed (most HGH release is generated while you are asleep).

Uh, no. Just because most naturally-released GH occurs 90 minutes after falling asleep, that doesn't mean that GH released by other means can ONLY be released during sleep, too. In fact, the best time to take arginine for that purpose is immediately after waking up in the morning. Your stomach will never be more empty than it is at that moment.

If you're taking L-Arginine, forget about it, waste of $$. Be a real man/woman and take something like AAKG, Citrulline, Arginine Pyroglutamate or DiArginine Malate. You'll have to take MUCH less and will achieve better results.

Do you have a reference or citation for that claim?

Bryan

 

[Harie]

Article about HGH release and why it's best to take arginine before bed. http://www.primev.com/Arginine.htm


As for your other question: http://www.futurescience.com/arginine.html

"The combination of L-arginine pyroglutamate and lysine can be an effective growth hormone releaser at much lower doses than L-arginine or L-arginine hydrochloride. This is probably because L-arginine pyroglutamate crosses the blood-brain-barrier much easier than other forms of arginine."

http://www.nytricefx.com/HTML/nytricefx.htm

(talking about AAKG) "This amino acid compound was discovered by Rocky Mountain Chemical Company (RMC), back in the 1980's, as being a superior form for delivering L-Arginine to the human system."

 

[Bryan]

Article about HGH release and why it's best to take arginine before bed. http://www.primev.com/Arginine.htm

But that article doesn't EXPLAIN their claim. All they do is say the very same thing that you did. I stand by what I said in my previous post.

As for your other question: http://www.futurescience.com/arginine.html

"The combination of L-arginine pyroglutamate and lysine can be an effective growth hormone releaser at much lower doses than L-arginine or L-arginine hydrochloride. This is probably because L-arginine pyroglutamate crosses the blood-brain-barrier much easier than other forms of arginine."

HAHAH! That's from the discredited Isidori study. Pearson & Shaw themselves have criticized it, and don't use arginine pyroglutamate. They use pure arginine, which should tell you something right there! :wink:

Bryan

 

[Harie]

HAHAH! That's from the discredited Isidori study. Pearson & Shaw themselves have criticized it, and don't use arginine pyroglutamate. They use pure arginine, which should tell you something right there! :wink:

Bryan

No, they didn't use APG, I never said they did. Pearson & Shaw even use Arginine Pyroglutamate, AAKG and L-Arginine in their HGH supps. Who in their right mind wants to take 30g of L-Arginine before bed when they could take a few grams of APG or Di-Arginine?

Log onto some body building sites and see what they all say about L-Arginine. Granted, they're going for pumps etc, but I use their evaluations as a base line for which arginine product is better. In fact, based on body builders reports, Di-Arginine is the strongest arginine supp on the market right now, followed by Arginine Pyroglutamate, Citrulline, AAKG, L-Arginine and Arginine base.

Do some experimenting on yourself. Take 3 grams of L-Arginine and see how you feel. Then a few days later, take 3 grams of DiArginine Malate and see how you feel. I guarantee that you'll have way more Nitric Oxide in your blood with DiArginine Malate than L-Arginine. I'd bet you'd be "pumped" out of your skin with 3g of Di-Arginine. 3g of l-arginine won't even compare to it.

Where does the futurescience article say it's based on the Isidori study? There's no mention of his name anywhere in the Arginine article or the HGH article.

 

[Bryan]

HAHAH! That's from the discredited Isidori study. Pearson & Shaw themselves have criticized it, and don't use arginine pyroglutamate. They use pure arginine, which should tell you something right there! :wink:

Bryan

No, they didn't use APG, I never said they did. Pearson & Shaw even use Arginine Pyroglutamate, AAKG and L-Arginine in their HGH supps.

Those sentences don't make any sense to me. First you said they DIDN'T use APG, then you said that they DO use it, in the next sentence. What are you attempting to say?

I'm telling you that they use pure arginine, at least they did at one point in the not-too-distant past. If they've changed their policy recently and started using other forms of arginine, then I haven't heard about it.

Log onto some body building sites and see what they all say about L-Arginine. Granted, they're going for pumps etc, but I use their evaluations as a base line for which arginine product is better. In fact, based on body builders reports, Di-Arginine is the strongest arginine supp on the market right now, followed by Arginine Pyroglutamate, Citrulline, AAKG, L-Arginine and Arginine base.

So all this is just based on claims made on body-building sites? There's no scientific evidence?

Where does the futurescience article say it's based on the Isidori study? There's no mention of his name anywhere in the Arginine article or the HGH article.

It's screamingly obvious that it's based on the Isidori study. The claims and even the quantities of the amino acids they specify are EXACTLY what were used in the Isidori study.

Bryan

 

[Harie]

The futurescience link I posted did not use APG in their studies, but they mentioned it being more effective than L-Arginine. Even the people's names you used to try and discredit what I posted even use APG in their supplement. Using a supplement makers words holds no weight IMO.

It's like asking the CEO of Ford why a Ford is better than a Chevy...Argument that holds no weight.

There are not many studies on which form of arginine is more effective. I found a few links, but you didn't like them. Then you name dropped Isidori, even though the article I posted never mentiones his name one time.

 

[Bryan]

The futurescience link I posted did not use APG in their studies, but they mentioned it being more effective than L-Arginine.

Well gee, that settles it once and for all, right?

Sorry, but I'd still like to see some serious scientific evidence for that, not just something that gets stated by one person, then gets repeated by someone else, then by someone else, then by someone else, ad nauseum.

Even the people's names you used to try and discredit what I posted even use APG in their supplement.

Who are you talking about?? Pearson & Shaw? For the third time, they use pure arginine in their supplements. I just did a Google search on them, and the ads say in plain English that they still contain ARGININE. Not APG, or any other form. Where did you get the idea that they use APG?

There are not many studies on which form of arginine is more effective. I found a few links, but you didn't like them. Then you name dropped Isidori, even though the article I posted never mentiones his name one time.

LOL! I can guarantee you that it was the Isidori study that they were referring to! It was the Isidori study which claimed that there's a synergistic effect when taking APG and lysine together that's powerful enough that GH release was significant even at the shockingly low dose of only 1,200 mg apiece. Now go back and take another look at that text you posted from that site, plus the next couple of sentences after it. Here it is, for your convenience:

The combination of L-arginine pyroglutamate and lysine can be an effective growth hormone releaser at much lower doses than L-arginine or L-arginine hydrochloride. This is probably because L-arginine pyroglutamate crosses the blood-brain-barrier much easier than other forms of arginine. In many countries, a capsule containing equal parts of L-arginine pyroglutamate and lysine is available. The usual dose is 1200 mg of L-arginine pyrogluamate and 1200 mg of lysine daily.

See what I mean? They're clearly referring to the Isidori study! :wink:

Bryan