Leave Your Hormones Alone
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just man up and take a pill you pussies
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One thing i dont understand: my best erections and ejaculations was in youth (14 to 18 ) and still i had great head of hair (16 was my best). 5-alpha-reductase was there, testosterone was there, i dont understand why you go bald after puberty? Why some go bald at 40's and not at 18's.
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For a combination of reasons, including at least the following two:
1) Damage to hair follicles is slow and accumulative.
2) Judging by experiments with stumptailed macaques, scalp hair follicles start to become sensitive to androgens druing or after puberty. They aren't simply born that way, apparently.
Putting #1 and #2 together above, you can see why damage begins during/after puberty, then slowly accumulates and worsens as the years go by.
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1) Damage to hair follicles is slow and accumulative.
2) Judging by experiments with stumptailed macaques, scalp hair follicles start to become sensitive to androgens druing or after puberty. They aren't simply born that way, apparently.
Putting #1 and #2 together above, you can see why damage begins during/after puberty, then slowly accumulates and worsens as the years go by.
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Fat-Elvis said:
Yeah, but did it ever occur to you guys that it's even MORE impressive than it is for humans that those little laboratory rodents with higher metabolic rates would be sensitive to only once-per-day applications of topical spironolactone?
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SnowRider22
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I have no problem taking a pill once a day for the rest of my life if it allows me to keep my hair and does not damage my body in any way.
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spironolactone once a day is of course, better than no spironolactone.
However its generally recommended to use it two times a day, at least 8 hours apart, because it breaks down in the skin, etc.
Im going to test a few more anti-androgens on my beard hair until I hang up testing stuff. I had put revivogen to a test on a wrist over a year ago to great results (lot less hair) however, wrist skin might be more permeable than thicker scalp skin. I think the skin of the neck and beard might give me a better idea of how various anti-androgenic topicals might effect the scalp. I might buy a little spironolactone and apply it twice a day within the next month or so and see what I get up there.
Otherwise, like everyone else....................Im waiting for cloning.
On LEF prox-n. It smells funny. You can just "tell" its watered down somewhat. Their version of his shampoo is more watery, but it sure as hell spreads out better.
As I piddle around with a few anti-androgens on beard and body hair.....I'll let you guys know if I get a good result with anything in the next couple of months. The good thing about using beard hair is that I shave there and should get a good idea in just 2-3 weeks if Im slowing growth. A month at most.
JWM....................you have a solid regimine. 15 years ago no-one one earth would have had one that good, no matter how dedicated.
However its generally recommended to use it two times a day, at least 8 hours apart, because it breaks down in the skin, etc.
Im going to test a few more anti-androgens on my beard hair until I hang up testing stuff. I had put revivogen to a test on a wrist over a year ago to great results (lot less hair) however, wrist skin might be more permeable than thicker scalp skin. I think the skin of the neck and beard might give me a better idea of how various anti-androgenic topicals might effect the scalp. I might buy a little spironolactone and apply it twice a day within the next month or so and see what I get up there.
Otherwise, like everyone else....................Im waiting for cloning.
On LEF prox-n. It smells funny. You can just "tell" its watered down somewhat. Their version of his shampoo is more watery, but it sure as hell spreads out better.
As I piddle around with a few anti-androgens on beard and body hair.....I'll let you guys know if I get a good result with anything in the next couple of months. The good thing about using beard hair is that I shave there and should get a good idea in just 2-3 weeks if Im slowing growth. A month at most.
JWM....................you have a solid regimine. 15 years ago no-one one earth would have had one that good, no matter how dedicated.
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michael barry,
i really think that avodart once a day is all that people need to maintain their hair for decades and decades. this other stuff is great for regrowth and stuff but if all people want is to maintain, then avodart and maybe nizoral two-three times a week is really all that 99% of people need.
i really think that avodart once a day is all that people need to maintain their hair for decades and decades. this other stuff is great for regrowth and stuff but if all people want is to maintain, then avodart and maybe nizoral two-three times a week is really all that 99% of people need.
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oops i have no clue how that happened lol
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Jayman,
Are you really convinced that dutasteride is the ultimate and much better than finasteride?
I'm still just less than 2 months in on finasteride but losin hair at high rate and dream of holding ground and i'm not convinced that's going to happen...3 months of Saw Palmetto did nothing before it. it may be that for some DHT reduction is not the fix....I continue to be patient and try to keep faith but I think realisation is setting in and its sad coming to terms with looking 5 yrs older than you are without hair than 5yrs younger with hair.
For some this thing kicks in with real aggression and stopping it seems very difficult. I think its easier if your rate of loss is much slower...Bugger.
Are you really convinced that dutasteride is the ultimate and much better than finasteride?
I'm still just less than 2 months in on finasteride but losin hair at high rate and dream of holding ground and i'm not convinced that's going to happen...3 months of Saw Palmetto did nothing before it. it may be that for some DHT reduction is not the fix....I continue to be patient and try to keep faith but I think realisation is setting in and its sad coming to terms with looking 5 yrs older than you are without hair than 5yrs younger with hair.
For some this thing kicks in with real aggression and stopping it seems very difficult. I think its easier if your rate of loss is much slower...Bugger.
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vq0 said:
JAYMAN, PLEASE BAN THIS GUY
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Jayman,
Im pretty sure youre right about dutasteride if one catches baldness as they are just beginning to lose ground up there. The addition of nizoral would seemingly be all one needed.
I do however, want "some" dht personally. Im using finasteride.
Im sensitive to some individuals who I have encountered that have had trouble with finas and dutas also. Some guys seemingly rely on DHT more than others to function. Some guys really do complain of fatigue, gyno, libido loss, weight gain, etc.
I am glad that you are having success with dutas and aren't experiencing sides. Perhaps someday science will produce a pill to deal with side effects of 5Ar-inhibitors so everyone can benefit from them
Im pretty sure youre right about dutasteride if one catches baldness as they are just beginning to lose ground up there. The addition of nizoral would seemingly be all one needed.
I do however, want "some" dht personally. Im using finasteride.
Im sensitive to some individuals who I have encountered that have had trouble with finas and dutas also. Some guys seemingly rely on DHT more than others to function. Some guys really do complain of fatigue, gyno, libido loss, weight gain, etc.
I am glad that you are having success with dutas and aren't experiencing sides. Perhaps someday science will produce a pill to deal with side effects of 5Ar-inhibitors so everyone can benefit from them
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WorldofWarcraft said:
Being stupid isn't a bannable offense.