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yswdk

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*Please understand the grammar issue.* please dont attack me. im just here to share thoughts.

I am asian ( korean ) 28years old, 175cm, 65 kg.
*based on my personal experiment, i believe both testosterone and estrogen causes hair loss in men. Estrogen might be good for females with ovary, but males are different i think. Increase test. Is more harm for frontal whereas estrogen is more harm for vertex. ( no facts to back up just my opinion. ) i tried with herbs amd supplent no hrt inject. Also, progesterone in men causes hair shedding in my experience. Some say increase progesterone inhibits 5-alpha or whatever but my experience more shedidng but less oily less acne.
I tried relora and holy basil. Result were they both increase shedding. Finasteride caused insane acne and excessive oily skin which i assumed could be reflex hyper androgenicity so i stopped. I tried fiber and flaxssed to boost shbg but i think increased shbg = increased hair fall and body hair growth and thining of the hair ( not shedding ) tried phytosterol = more hair loss. Omega 3 = more hair loss. High protein = scalp itchy, hair loss. High carb same. You name it i tried basically everything except topical stuff like RU.
I think we have to lose fat especially abdominal fat first before we take anything that can affects our hormone and other stuff. It is hard to lose fat becuase of adrenal gland. I think this is also relateded to hair loss.
2 cup of spearmint tea a day will decrease your androgen, but you will experience sides.

It's too late here i will continue talking if there is reply.

Which hormones and factors do you guys think that we should consider?



What affects hair loss (mbp) ?

- dht, diabete insulin resistence, cortisol imbalance, collagen, thyroid, adrenal glad fatigue, liver function, depression, etc.. -

- possible Symtoms others than hair loss -

Skin thining due to decrease in collagen formation ( especially hand, neck, scalp), dark circle under eyes due to skin thining, more body hairs,
New moles, dark spots around neck or back or hand, sunken eyes, yellowish bubbly urine, constipation, abdominal fat, brain fog, eye color and sight change, palpitation, fatigue, adult acne, oily skin, etc

In my opinion, as human gets older metabolism decreases and our ability to handle stress tend to decrease. These factors leads to abdominal fat development especially visceral = diabete, cuases homone imbalance (more estrogen) and insulin resistence (lack of nutrient to the cell)
. Dhea decreases, muscle mass decreases leads to (not atrophy yet) sensitiv to dht increases.

- follicle sensitive to dht : some say gravity theory, but i disagree with that theory. Because most of balding men tend to have more hair on dorsal of hand which is not effected with either tension (some say dht gets trapped becuz of the tension mostly in the frontal and vertex area) or gravity theory.
 

Diffuser44

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It's not testosterone or estrogen. It's Dihydrotestosterone. It's a derivative of testosterone that gives men many of their androgenic characteristics including baldness. The drug finasteride will suppress it low enough that it will stop your hair loss. Most men tolerate the drug well but for some it can cause some unwanted side effects like tiredness, weaker erections, lack of mental clarity Etc.

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The acne caused finasteride should go away over time. That comes from an increase in testosterone.
 

Ventures

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It's not testosterone or estrogen. It's Dihydrotestosterone. It's a derivative of testosterone that gives men many of their androgenic characteristics including baldness. The drug finasteride will suppress it low enough that it will stop your hair loss. Most men tolerate the drug well but for some it can cause some unwanted side effects like tiredness, weaker erections, lack of mental clarity Etc.

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The acne caused finasteride should go away over time. That comes from an increase in testosterone.

why adolescents have problems with acne vulgaris. Main reason is excess hormone production (T and other androgens) which takes place during puberty. And howcome adult males do not develop acne as they have increased levels of 5ard in skin which converts T to its more potent DHT. DHT has greater affinity to all AR, including AR of sebaceous glands, right ?

And then why acne aren't so common in adult males ? And another thing is, some users complain they got acne problem while using finasteride (because of increase in T; this explanation makes no sense since, yes there is increase in T, but in same time, more potent derivative of T (DHT) is reduced). In my theory DHT inhibitors should clear your face of acne; and some users do report this, finasteride and/or dutasteride improved they skin tone.
 

Diffuser44

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I personally suffered from acne both before finasteride and after taking finasteride. I still get acne and I'm almost 30. Then again, I really have the facial hair/skin of a 21 year old cause finasteride stunted my normal puberty growth :p
 

zzzzz

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you pulled estrogen causing hair loss straight out of your ***
 

yswdk

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Based on my little experiment, I believe increased estrogen in men increases hair follicle sensitivity to dht some how. Not only hair follices, but also all the androgen receptors in our body. So more estrogen you have more sensitive response to testosterone. (including 5-alpha activity)
I think Estrogen makes human sensitive including mind, body and even your cells.
It is just my humble thought.
My experience with finasteride was terrible. More shed, acne, oily skin, dark circle, fatigue, mood change, etc.
that's why im trying to balance out my hormones with herbs and supplement to fight mbp.

I know there are many fit guys like vin disel is bald. So dont attack me please. ( even if you are fit, depression, steroid use, excessive protein and other factors can make you go bald)

Current my goal is to balance estrogen, test, dhea, cortisol, insulin, mood, etc.
 

Diffuser44

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Based on my little experiment, I believe increased estrogen in men increases hair follicle sensitivity to dht some how. Not only hair follices, but also all the androgen receptors in our body. So more estrogen you have more sensitive response to testosterone. (including 5-alpha activity)
I think Estrogen makes human sensitive including mind, body and even your cells.
It is just my humble thought.
My experience with finasteride was terrible. More shed, acne, oily skin, dark circle, fatigue, mood change, etc.
that's why im trying to balance out my hormones with herbs and supplement to fight mbp.

I know there are many fit guys like vin disel is bald. So dont attack me please. ( even if you are fit, depression, steroid use, excessive protein and other factors can make you go bald)

Current my goal is to balance estrogen, test, dhea, cortisol, insulin, mood, etc.

I was at a brewery the other day. I did seem to notice a lot of balding men at the brewery drinking their beers. It could be a lot of men from the age of 25 - 35 go bald, or that drinking a lot of beer causes baldness in some men, or that men who are balding are more likely to drink beer to drown their sorrows.

Either way, it is an interesting theory. I doubt it is going to get you anywhere though :/

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I bring beer into the discussion because beer raises estrogen.
 

resu

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Topical estrogen promotes hair regrowth, see Cosmo's CB early test results.
 
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Topical estrogen promotes hair regrowth, see Cosmo's CB early test results.

Of course it does because estrogen causes the subcutaneous fat around the follicle to be restored.

Have you ever seen a bald man with baby fat on his scalp?

I have, and it's because he was taking chemotherapy.

The scalps of chemotherapy patients are noticeably different than the scalps of males with androgenic alopecia and that difference is...

"Baby fat"
 

Peykin

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:)

One day people will regrow hair in a simpler way and we'll be laughing at DHT theories same as we're laughing at medieval flat earth beliefs :p
 
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