male pattern baldness and bodyhair

[neverwakeme]

Did you notice an increase in bodyhair at the same time your hairloss has started?
I think my hairloss started about one or two years ago and at about the same time my body hair has been increasing specially in my shoulders and upper arm region. I always thought all the pubertal changes would stop by age 18 to 20..

 

[Tallinn]

Yes, I do. I think body hair is activated by the dht. My doctor told me that is sign that you could be a good responder to propecia.

 

[RaginDemon]

I have noticed the same thing as well.

Ever since my hair started thinning, I got more body hair.

 

[Renegade]

Absolutely yes. The body hair growth started pretty much around the same time as the male pattern baldness started. Sucks.

Although, there have been reports here of peole with little to no BH but complain of male pattern baldness. Maybe this is more common with the "diffuse thinner" types, I don't know.

I have also seen (in person) those with massive amounts of body hair but no noticeable male pattern baldness (yet).

 

[s.a.f]

Exactly there is NO correlation between body hair and m.p.b its just whatever your genes are.
And of course the onset off bodyhair and m.p.b often both happen at the same time but thats just natural development. A bit like saying I started growing facial hair at about the same time as I stopped growing taller.

 

[neverwakeme]

No correlation? well I think there might be a correlation otherwise I wouldn't have seen a sudden increase in bodyhair and I now remember that I never really had acne until the age of 18 wish is probably when I started balding and got more noticeable when I started growing my hair long at 19.. I think everyone is different and in some people there might be a correlation.

 

[Renegade]

Yeah s.a.f, I wouldn't go so far as to say there is no correslation. In fact, I think there's a fairly strong one.

I thought it was common knowledge around here that DHT contributes to both male pattern baldness and body-hair growth. But I will agree that it ultimately boils down to genetics.

 

[antonio666]

saf ,i think you are wrong about the body hair theory ,there is defintley some connection between male pattern baldness and body hair,although it is not proven

 

[flux]

Exactly there is NO correlation between body hair and m.p.b

DHT is the correlation. As many here have stated, the same hormone that chokes out scalp folicles is responsible for triggering body hair follicles. Its a well known fact.

I've even heard of some people using propecia simply to decrease their body hair.

 

[tembo]

My father had hardly any body hair (mostly just beard) and he was NW1 till the age of 55-60. Now he is Norwood-2 or Norwood 3 at most and has a lot of ear hair and abdomen hair.

I think there is no doubt a correlation. I am thinning rapidly and have more body hair than all my closest living male ancestors combined have. None of those guys went bald in their 20s.

The positive correlation is between chest/back/ear hair and scalp hair loss. Not with arm and leg hair.

 

[RaginDemon]

Exactly there is NO correlation between body hair and m.p.b its just whatever your genes are.
And of course the onset off bodyhair and m.p.b often both happen at the same time but thats just natural development. A bit like saying I started growing facial hair at about the same time as I stopped growing taller.

I don't think thats that much coincidence.

I am certain my body hair increases ALOT since male pattern baldness started.

 

[Johnny24601]

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don't think thats that much coincidence.

I am certain my body hair increases ALOT since male pattern baldness started.

Just because the two may coincide proves absolutely nothing. Most men have increasing body hair as they age and many of these men have no hair recession BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE male pattern baldness.
The point, a man's body go's through a number of changes as it gets older. People who make generalized comments, based on one example (usually themselves), with no scientific backing are very irresponsible.

 

[RAKBS]

DHT is needed for mbp, DHT is needed for body hair. However, just because you have one, doesn't mean you have to have the other; but if you do have both, then they're probably both caused by the same thing.

 

[Renegade]

I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I still think there is a fairly strong correlation. Whatever it is thats contributing to male pattern baldness (and we all know that DHT is a HUGE factor), has the opposite effect on body hair for the vast MAJORITY of us.

I merely acknowledged that I have seen and heard about a FEW cases where this wasn't the case. For the majority though, I think it goes hand in hand. I've heard many complaints in person and on here about how "damn hair growing all over where I don't want it, but won't grow where I do want it to."

However, I don't think there has to be a certain order of these events (like body hair comes before male pattern baldness, or vice-versa). So, if some people notice male pattern baldness at an early age and get on a DHT inhibitor, then this could also potentially inhibit the development of body hair, even if the drug wasn't as effective on the male pattern baldness.

 

[Johnny24601]

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Body hair and male pattern baldness are both largely due to DHT, but many men without male pattern baldness reported a significant increase in body hair as they age. In fact almost all men complain about increased body hair as they age despite the presence of male pattern baldness. DHT also has an effect on prostate enlargement and potentially prostate cancer, does that now mean that if you have body hair and/or male pattern baldness you have a higher chance of prostate problems?
Researchers are aware of DHT's role in body hair, male pattern baldness and prostate issues but have failed to make a connection that if you have one then you will definitively have one or more of the other. In fact, there are many many men with no body hair but are balding or bald, what category do they fall into? What about men with hair covering their bodies and no sign of baldness? Are these people just freaks of nature?
Without proper research and scientific evidence, then this is all just useless chatter. It all comes down to the genetic pre-programming of the follicles on your body and it is very random in nature IMO.
Again, what is most disappointing is when people come on here and say "hey my male pattern baldness seemed to come on just when I began to grow body hair so they must be correlated." Even if these people just happened to be proven correct, this is retarded on so many levels not the least of which is the tiny data set.
The reality is that all men have some degree of DHT in their body and it is not the DHT that causes body hair, male pattern baldness or prostate issues, it is the cells SENSITIVITY to DHT that causes these issues! As they age, many men have male pattern baldness, grow body hair, experience prostate issues with time, get themselves a beer gut, have their hair turn grey, develop wrinkles, experience poorer vision with age etc. etc. These are aging issues and no scientific evidence (that I have seen) definitively correlates any of these aging issues.

 

[Renegade]

". . . it is the cells SENSITIVITY to DHT that causes these issues!"

That right there is the short and sweet of it. And the "sensitivity" of these cells to DHT is unfortunately genetic. So...

You can attempt to limit these cells' REACTION to DHT with drugs, etc. to "block" it, but this is still quite a challenge as we all know.

 

[vegeguy]

THERE IS A CORRELATION

There is absolutely a link. Body hair will get thicker as we age and in some individual, there will be more of it. It is a scientific fact!!

 

[Johnny24601]

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There is absolutely a link. Body hair will get thicker as we age and in some individual, there will be more of it. It is a scientific fact!!

Seriously you have to read with understanding. The argument is not whether body hair density increases with age it is whether there is a correlation between body hair and male pattern baldness, as is summarized in this quote.

I am certain my body hair increases ALOT since male pattern baldness started.

Again, though body hair and male pattern baldness do occur as men age and both have a clear connection with DHT, they are separate animals as it is the hair follicles that are making the determination not DHT. Again, there are many hairy dudes who have no signs of male pattern baldness and there are plenty of dudes without barely a single chest hair and yet they are bald. I have seen no definitive evidence that male pattern baldness and body hair are directly associated, but would love to see it. Now, there is certainly more room for study but it is totally ridiculous for some guy to come onto a site that prides itself in real scientific evidence to say he grew hair on his *** the same time he started to lose hair from his head, so they must be related.

 

[RaginDemon]

I think increased DHT definitely plays a part in both male pattern baldness and increased body hair.

 

[Johnny24601]

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I think increased DHT definitely plays a part in both male pattern baldness and increased body hair.

Absolutely. It does "play a part" because it allows sensitive follicles to have more interaction with DHT. This is a main reason why steroids increase hairloss as they increase testosterone levels therefore increasing the amount of T available for conversion to DHT. Of course, you can have all the DHT in the world and as long as your cells have no sensitivity to DHT, you will not see significant increases in body hair or hairloss.
An important question that I have not seen a definitive answer is: "If one has hair follicles on his body that are sensitive to DHT and thus one grow tons of body hair, then is it reasonable to expect that one will have cells on the top of the head that are going to be sensitive to DHT and therefore induce male pattern baldness?"