Massive saw palmetto problems...please help with some advice

[rcom440]

I'm sure there were more people with similar conditions. My best guess is they all recovered.
I don't see reason why you wouldn't recover after stopping taking SP unless there is something else going on.

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I noticed you already read this thread:
http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/interact/showthread.php/77540-Persistent-Saw-Palmetto-effects

Maybe you can message him directly and ask how long it took him to recover and what was the dosage he was taking. I'm hopping he's still checking this forum.

 

[pageidol]

Yeah dude i messaged the man. No word though. I think after the saw palmetto and fenugreek combo i need to give it a bit more time before im back to normal but ive certainly caused a hormonal imbalance. My bollocks in its flaccid state has shrunken up...when i can get an erection ive lost size say about half an inch both ways...and loss of sensation. Obviously this is down to DHT deprivation. I hope i havent lost size for good :-(.

Thanks again

 

[Wolf Pack]

Yeah dude i messaged the man. No word though. I think after the saw palmetto and fenugreek combo i need to give it a bit more time before im back to normal but ive certainly caused a hormonal imbalance. My bollocks in its flaccid state has shrunken up...when i can get an erection ive lost size say about half an inch both ways...and loss of sensation. Obviously this is down to DHT deprivation. I hope i havent lost size for good :-(.

Thanks again

Are you sure this isn't depression and stuff you read online? You will be the dog's bollocks in no time either way! It's never permanent. Stay away from anything that lowers DHT as you seem rather sensitive to reduced levels. Been to the GP?

 

[pageidol]

Thanks Wolfpack,
I have and he had another patient that took saw palmetto...and it took him 6 months before his erections normalised and a further 3 months before his libido returned which is common apparently after and episode of erectile dysfunction. I believe 6-9 months is the average time for the body to reach homeostasis and cell turnover. Ive had my bloods taken and my testosterone is at the low end of the scale being only 10.5 nmol which if you research on the web is very low. Its only been around 2.5 months since i took the fenugreek which set me right back, so the combo of that and saw palmetto may mean it takes my body longer. Anyway im trying to be positive and eat a well balanced diet, work out, etc, etc, But it is distressing obviously with the desensitization, loss of libido, morning erections, and the rest which is very physical.. i feel like in alot of ways ive lost my identity....i just wanna be a randy bugger again in the prime of my life.

Thanks

 

[Wolf Pack]

Thanks Wolfpack,
I have and he had another patient that took saw palmetto...and it took him 6 months before his erections normalised and a further 3 months before his libido returned which is common apparently after and episode of erectile dysfunction. I believe 6-9 months is the average time for the body to reach homeostasis and cell turnover. Ive had my bloods taken and my testosterone is at the low end of the scale being only 10.5 nmol which if you research on the web is very low. Its only been around 2.5 months since i took the fenugreek which set me right back, so the combo of that and saw palmetto may mean it takes my body longer. Anyway im trying to be positive and eat a well balanced diet, work out, etc, etc, But it is distressing obviously with the desensitization, loss of libido, morning erections, and the rest which is very physical.. i feel like in alot of ways ive lost my identity....i just wanna be a randy bugger again in the prime of my life.

Thanks

Now that you have informed me of your T level, I can see why you are worried. I hope for the best for you. Testosterone is our identity. You basically have hypogonadism, I am not sure how herbal treatments triggered this off. Then again, do we really know what any of them do? There are no trials about safety or recommended doses and they can be dangerous. 9 months is long, hang in there and just get lost in hobbies or something.

 

[pageidol]

I was perfectly healthy before all of this. I was aware too my test levels were extrememly low. I hope to god they increase back to baseline because this is a death sentence to me, id rather be dead. My only solace comes from my doctor. The patient he had that took saw palmetto and had problems for 6 months also had extremely low test levels but these very slowly and gradually came back up to baseline, along with erection function.

Ive just had another labs taken this morning so i get the results in a few days...fingers crossed there is improvement. But yes i do have all the symptons of hypogonadism

Not happy

When i look on propecia help forums I get a massive complex over these symptons as there are alot of cases on there similar to mine. But how can 3 weeks on sp and 4 weeks on fenugreek really cause this. Doesnt make sense. I never even took finasteride.

James

James

 

[Wolf Pack]

Interesting. Anyway stay off propecia help, it's full of people with hidden agendas/mentally unwell.

 

[zerotohero1]

stop taking it immediately. whats more important your manhood or your hair. take some zinc, lift heavy weights, and jerk off to raise test back up again.

 

[pageidol]

zerotohero, I have stopped mate. Stopped the fenugreek 3 months ago. On the weights right now. Hopefully my body will sort itself out and return to baseline.

Obv my manhood is more important and like i said i thought they were vitamins...i was miselead and made a mistake. Had I of known the truth i wouldnt have touched them...i cant stress enough i thought they were vitamins. Ill even try and post a picture of the damn things

James

 

[Grammaton Cleric]

Interesting. Anyway stay off propecia help, it's full of people with hidden agendas/mentally unwell.

What's your agenda? Brah

 

[Wolf Pack]

What's your agenda? Brah

Sincerity and relying on evidence

 

[pageidol]

Yo wolfpack,

Do you believe that my test should slowly creep back upto baseline like this other patient?
i have actually only in the last week began having nocturnal erections again....those where you semi awake in the middle of the night and your hard...im taking this as a very positive sign as its been a long time since ive had this.

James

 

[Wolf Pack]

Yo wolfpack,

Do you believe that my test should slowly creep back upto baseline like this other patient?
i have actually only in the last week began having nocturnal erections again....those where you semi awake in the middle of the night and your hard...im taking this as a very positive sign as its been a long time since ive had this.

James

I don't know what caused your hypogonadism - it has many causes. But if it was the medication, now that it's stopped you will be fine. That's a very good sign actually.

 

[pageidol]

I believe finasteride can cause somebody big problems potentially permanent...but i cant see Saw Palmetto causing the same problems with it being only a weak inhibitor of 5 -alpha, and with research suggesting it doesnt even affect serum dht levels...only tissue levels in the prosate primarily. Perhaps it was a strong extract i took, but surley its no where near as damaging as finasteride. Anyway heres a link to the **** i was given...so i took only 21 tabs over 3 weeks. The spiel regarding how they work...none of that was explained to me.


James

 

[Wolf Pack]

I believe finasteride can cause somebody big problems potentially permanent...but i cant see Saw Palmetto causing the same problems with it being only a weak inhibitor of 5 -alpha, and with research suggesting it doesnt even affect serum dht levels...only tissue levels in the prosate primarily. Perhaps it was a strong extract i took, but surley its no where near as damaging as finasteride. Anyway heres a link to the **** i was given...so i took only 21 tabs over 3 weeks. The spiel regarding how they work...none of that was explained to me.

James

I don't understand this type of post. Finasteride has been through phase 1, 2,3 and now in phase 4 as far as trials are concerned. Many people and animals have been 'guinea pigs' during this period like thousands. Do you think it would be approved for hair loss if not safe and effective? Temporary sides yes for a minority. Finasteride is based on people who are deficient in this enzyme, it has a living model who are otherwise normal and not bald either.

What you took is potentially worse. No trials on its safety or efficacy. So you don't really know the drug's mechanism of action or dosage, long term effects. What u posted which was removed said the drug u took lowers testosrerone too - so not sure what else was in there. It's like going to a forest and eating a random mushroom as its natural.

finasteride actually increases testosterone a little so you wouldn't have been in this situation. There are people who Said that saw palmetto caused worse sides than finasteride and no help to the hair of course.

Wish u the best but felt this needed a response

 

[pageidol]

I suppose jumping on propecia help.com freaked me out. Im just deadly worried as im in the middle of this saga. But i should recover in the long term shouldnt I? Im just screaming for reassurance really. Anyway my labs come back end of this week so im hoping to see an improvement with the testosterone levels.

James

 

[Wolf Pack]

I suppose jumping on propecia help.com freaked me out. Im just deadly worried as im in the middle of this saga. But i should recover in the long term shouldnt I? Im just screaming for reassurance really. Anyway my labs come back end of this week so im hoping to see an improvement with the testosterone levels.

James

That site is full of rubbish, but yes you shouldn't take Finasteride anyway. If you got sides with Saw Palmetto, it means you would get temporary sides with finasteride too. Problem is you also took something to lower test according to the link you sent, but I don't know what it was. I think that's what caused the sides more than the impact of SP. I think you will get better with time.

 

[pageidol]

Okidokies! Blood Results!

Not good...test has dropped down to 9.7...no wonder im experiencing all kinds of negative sexual symptons. Is this hypogonadism treatable? Something that rectifies with time? Or im a royally ****ed?..

Obvs and i will say it again i had no issues before saw palmetto and fenugreek. Had my bloods taken in Feb before the Saw palmetto for an unrelated issue and my test levels came back at 14 and i could shag, have a great wank, horny boners the rest of it.

Thanks....any advice:doh:

James

 

[rcom440]

It will get back to normal but be patient. You already mentioned you are starting to have erection in the morning. Don't worry dude, it needs time to get back to normal.

 

[pageidol]

Afternoon people of GourmetStyleWellness.

Is there anything i can do to treat these hypogonadal symptons....i believe clomid or nolvadex are very good options available. My doctor wont prescibe me TRT as im still within the boundarys albeit only just. I asked him why isnt my test returning to baseline and he basically just shrugged his shoulders.

As a recap, ive taken Saw palmetto(DHT Blocker) 3 weeks March and Fenugreek(Pro oestrogenic/prolactin) 6 weeks July/Aug...major sexual probs, bottomed out test levels (9.7nmol). No problems prior to March.

James