Masturbation Frequency

[Ian Curtis]

Wait a sec, its so hard to type with just one hand.

 

[Hecfield]

After I've read that second study a few times, I'm getting confused. Does the testosterone rise after three weeks of abstinence alone or after the orgasm following the abstinence?

The Kruger study, which I have read before, measured post ejaculation testosterone serum levels both before and after abstinence, not during abstinence itself. There is a more concise release of study results somewhere, but I'm having trouble finding it. It is a little ambiguous in that edition, which is essentially little more than an abstract in terms of information.

 

[slipy]

hahah, so abstaining from ejaculation causes INCREASED testosterone levels!
Eat that all you jokers who say "I've stopped masturbating and I can literally FEEL my hair growing back!"

ffs dude, the study shows elevated T levels because most likely less T is being converted to DHT due to abstinence thus resulting in less hair damage.

This study is actually indicative of ejaculation theory possibly being true.

 

[cuebald]

What? Where does it say that?

 

[slipy]

Didn't you read this post?

Another study found testosterone levels of 116% compared to baseline after three weeks of abstinence.

To me the most interesting find is the last study. Chances are, the 16% rise in testosterone has the same reason propecia raises testosterone levels by 15%. In the propecia case this is a result of less testosterone-> DHT conversion.

I think you can make some conclusions from this.

 

[dpdr]

I 1 months without masturbating and my hair was very bad, I think a lot of time must not be good

 

[dougfunny]

Didn't you read this post?

Another study found testosterone levels of 116% compared to baseline after three weeks of abstinence.

To me the most interesting find is the last study. Chances are, the 16% rise in testosterone has the same reason propecia raises testosterone levels by 15%. In the propecia case this is a result of less testosterone-> DHT conversion.

I think you can make some conclusions from this.

What is the first thing they teach you in science? It's that Correlation does not equal causation


There is nothing in your body that would stop test --> DHT conversion. The only chemical I am aware of that does this is finasteride, and it is not natural.

The way things work are Testosterone -->(converted via 5AR Enzyme)--> DHT

So more testosterone = more DHT = more balding

This is why steroid use, which increases testosterone, also increases balding.


On the flip side, according to your study, it would make sense that more sex = less testosterone = less DHT = less balding

So, ladies and gentleman, it appears that sex and masturbation will actually decrease hair loss! Get to work!


Why might it appear that people that frequently masturbate/have sex go bald faster? Probably because they have more testosterone to begin with.

 

[slipy]

What is the first thing they teach you in science? It's that Correlation does not equal causation


There is nothing in your body that would stop test --> DHT conversion. The only chemical I am aware of that does this is finasteride, and it is not natural.

The way things work are Testosterone -->(converted via 5AR Enzyme)--> DHT

So more testosterone = more DHT = more balding

That's funny because according to what that other poster wrote propecia increases Testosterone by 15%. Shouldn't it speed up balding then?

http://www.baldingblog.com/2008/11/20/t ... nasteride/

This disapproves your claim about more testosterone-> more dht.

if propecia increases T levels by 15%
and abstinence by 16%
could that mean that both have the same effect on balding?

 

[dougfunny]

No, because you are forgetting that DHT is the main cause of balding, not testosterone.

Propecia = More test, Less DHT

Masturbation = More Test, More DHT

 

[slipy]

You misunderstood me, i know dht causes hair to miniaturize not testosterone.

i just assumed if use of propecia and abstinence from sex/masturbation result in the same amount of T increase then both things would affect dht levels the same way.

i could be wrong though.

 

[dougfunny]

You misunderstood me, i know dht causes hair to miniaturize not testosterone.

i just assumed if use of propecia and abstinence from sex/masturbation result in the same amount of T increase then both things would affect dht levels the same way.

i could be wrong though.

Ask around I don't think my logic is particularly controversial.

Anyway I think you should be proud that you hit upon something so cool - That masturbation theoretically could reduce hair loss!

 

[Hoppi]

Just found out a bit about this so I thought I would revive the thread! lol

Apparently, it increases prolactin (leading to increased DHT, I believe) and possibly neurogenic inflammation. Both bad news for follicles.

The key I believe is to attempt to tackle those 2 factors (as of course this affects sex as well) or just... don't have sex/masturbate as much! lol

Chasteberry, vitamin E and vitamin B6 apparently all reduce prolactin, and curcumin and resveratrol are apparently very good for reducing neurogenic inflammation These are good things for tackling hair loss anyway, but if you want chucking some curcumin and resveratrol into most regimens would probably help. The only issue there is that apparently res increases T a bit, which should be fine as curcumin will probably balance it again but... just keep those SHBG levels healthy!

Anywho, peace!

Hoppi! ^_^

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

Of all of the complete crap posts to necro, why choose this one?
Masturbation causes an increase in prolactin release. Prolactin actually causes a decrease in both testosterone and estrogen in humans. What's more if this hormone was a bad thing then you would definitely want to avoid all sex. Intercourse releases 4-5x the amount of prolactin as masturbation does!!!

Omg, but wait, it gets much much worse!!!!!

You body experiences the highest levels of prolactin when you are sleeping. Holy crap guys, I think we finally found the cure for balding! Don't masturbate, don't have sex and don't ever sleep! I'm sure if you follow my new 3 easy steps you're health will definitely change and you'll definitely notice an effect on your hair loss.

 

[Hoppi]

lol erm!

how come a whole bunch of posters were suspecting masturbation makes it worse? what's the expression? No smoke without fire? lol

I will look into this further as yes I'm not sure yet, but it does explain things rather neatly.

And how on earth does intercourse make a difference over masturbation? I can't imagine your body really knows the difference to a spectacular extent lol

It does seem intensely clear from everything I am reading that masturbation (or at the very least ejaculation) has a negative effect of some kind on the hair. Everyone seems to back it up. One guy claims to have stopped his hair loss just by abstinence and weight training!! EDIT Oh wait... 4 guys... lol Although one guy so far claimed it caused him to LOSE hair! I think the consensus is 1-2 times a week (for sex or masturbation) is the ideal Many people noticed huge improvements when they abstained, only ONE said his shedding got worse. Many even blamed heavy masturbation for their hair loss!! About 2 I think said it made no difference, but at least in one case he did it very rarely anyway.

I'd like to hear more from the opposite POV though, but the evidence is truly overwhelming at this point lol

And remember that testosterone isn't really the enemy here, DHT and inflammation and stuff.. THOSE are the enemies, and excessively low SHBG. And probably estrogen.


EDIT -- By the way could you find evidence that prolactin DECREASES dht? There seem to be a lot of conflicting reports online but the consensus seems to be that it increases it. If you believe you're right about this then you may want to go and tell Brian lol

 

[s.a.f]

1 - 2 times a week max!!! f*** that whats the point in having hair if you cant enjoy the benifits.

 

[dpdr]

Makes 2 months I stopped masturbating, and my hair is better than ever

 

[Hoppi]

Totally dpdr, I mean let's face it even if it's JUST neurogenic inflammation or just DHT peaks due to prolactin, that's still obviously doing enough as it's making people's hair fall out single-handedly! lol

I think the trick is, for those who want to have sex and stuff often, to just take chasteberries (the dose is something like 800-1200mg) and for good luck tackle the inflammation as well with curcumin and resveratrol or something. Personally I'm gonna cut down fairly drastically how much I do stuff like that, at least for now, I dunno, it just seems logical when people seem to be having so much success!

Oh, the more powerful one for cutting prolactin is called Mucuna pruriens apparently, but I don't know much about it.

I mean in THEORY if you are using a potent enough 5ar inhibitor like finasteride you should be at least partly ok, but it really depends if it's the hormones or inflammation that's doing the damage. I'm sticking on the curcumin and resveratrol I think! I want to kill my inflammation dead

 

[mpbsux20]

Probably thats why finasteride was invented :woot: ...To stop us from wankin :smoke:

 

[Hoppi]

I am CONVINCED I'm shedding less today ROFL!

I get like what, 1 hair for every three times I run my hand through my hair? Usually it's more like 1-3 per time lol

Weird man!! Weird... lol

 

[mpbsux20]

I too believe that self-stimulated masturbation in genetically susceptible individuals eventually leading to an ejaculation can deplete your body of essential nutrients and when done frequently,can cause fatigue,make your hair look unhealthy and may even aid in hair loss.Its just my opinion though and I am not really sure about it.When I do get ultra horny,there is no stopping me :innocent: