Masturbation Frequency

[Nene]

undisciplined.

people used to think diet and acne had absolutely no connection! lol

Wait, are you joking? Diet has very little connection to acne.

I can't believe the things I'm reading here. Ejaculating once a week? Not masturbating for 2 months????? Every grown man I know likes to have sex or masturbate about once a day. Once a week is hardly moderation. It's natural and healthy. You guys must be watching to many kung fu movies where celibacy makes your kung fu stronger.

 

[Hoppi]

@dougfunny - I never said it was easy! lol

It is difficult, but.. I dunno I mean, I also am not drinking or smoking. Just for the time being. Why make things harder for myself than I need to?

 

[slipy]

This might sound nuts - i think there's more to it than just ejaculation. I think sexual arousal plays a role too.

if i suppress sexual thoughts, like if i don't allow myself to have sexual fantasies and prevent erections my scalp feels much better, itching fades and is barely there.

But i if indulge in thinking about sex alot the itch is sharp and relentless.

But this is just mine experience.

Honestly it's far more likely that baldness would make me go copletely insane than abstinence. If i have to choose between abstaining and keeping my Norwood 2 - Norwood 2,5 or ejaculating and going Norwood 4, Norwood 5, Norwood 6 i'd choose the first option.

Baldness would simply kill me on the inside, especially if i'm the one who's causing it.

 

[dougfunny]

This might sound nuts - i think there's more to it than just ejaculation. I think sexual arousal plays a role too.

if i suppress sexual thoughts, like if i don't allow myself to have sexual fantasies and prevent erections my scalp feels much better, itching fades and is barely there.

But i if indulge in thinking about sex alot the itch is sharp and relentless.

But this is just mine experience.

Honestly it's far more likely that baldness would make me go copletely insane than abstinence. If i have to choose between abstaining and keeping my Norwood 2 - Norwood 2,5 or ejaculating and going Norwood 4, Norwood 5, Norwood 6 i'd choose the first option.

Baldness would simply kill me on the inside, especially if i'm the one who's causing it.

i would strongly recommend seeking psychological counseling.

 

[s.a.f]

This might sound nuts - i think there's more to it than just ejaculation. I think sexual arousal plays a role too.

if i suppress sexual thoughts, like if i don't allow myself to have sexual fantasies and prevent erections my scalp feels much better, itching fades and is barely there.

But i if indulge in thinking about sex alot the itch is sharp and relentless.

But this is just mine experience.

Honestly it's far more likely that baldness would make me go copletely insane than abstinence. If i have to choose between abstaining and keeping my Norwood 2 - Norwood 2,5 or ejaculating and going Norwood 4, Norwood 5, Norwood 6 i'd choose the first option.

Baldness would simply kill me on the inside, especially if i'm the one who's causing it.

i would strongly recommend seeking psychological counseling.

Good grief another example of one of Hoppi's fullproof evidence. Some people on this site really are mentally retarded.

Why not just cut your balls off? - much simpler.

 

[s.a.f]

This might sound nuts - i think there's more to it than just ejaculation. I think sexual arousal plays a role too.

if i suppress sexual thoughts, like if i don't allow myself to have sexual fantasies and prevent erections my scalp feels much better, itching fades and is barely there.

But i if indulge in thinking about sex alot the itch is sharp and relentless.

But this is just mine experience.

Honestly it's far more likely that baldness would make me go copletely insane than abstinence. If i have to choose between abstaining and keeping my Norwood 2 - Norwood 2,5 or ejaculating and going Norwood 4, Norwood 5, Norwood 6 i'd choose the first option.

Baldness would simply kill me on the inside, especially if i'm the one who's causing it.

i would strongly recommend seeking psychological counseling.

Good grief another example of one of Hoppi's fullproof evidence. Some people on this site really are mentally retarded.

Why not just cut your balls off? - much simpler.

 

[dougfunny]

Why not just cut your balls off? - much simpler.

careful now he might actually do it.

 

[slipy]

wtf? i was just sharing my experience, im not saying that this qualifies as scientific evidence, but there's no need to throw insults at me just because you don't like the idea of sex having impact on hairloss. I don't like it either but that doesn't make it impossible.

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

wtf? i was just sharing my experience, im not saying that this qualifies as scientific evidence, but there's no need to throw insults at me just because you don't like the idea of sex having impact on hairloss. I don't like it either but that doesn't make it impossible.

You don't understand, those guys are really pissed off about their hair loss and refuse the right of anyone to have a non-defeated attitude about it. Don't take it personally, they just wont be happy until everyone gives up, goes bald and spends every night alone.

 

[Axl_Rose]

Some people just hate opinions.

 

[Axon]

You don't understand, those guys are really pissed off about their hair loss and refuse the right of anyone to have a non-defeated attitude about it. Don't take it personally, they just wont be happy until everyone gives up, goes bald and spends every night alone.

That's correct. There is no reason for male pattern baldness, gentlemen, and certainly it's occurrence is no fault of your own (save perhaps the evolution of the western lifestyle over generations and generations.) I've heard the various diet, beating off, et cetera, theories and have found them wanting. Perhaps the diet is the most reasonable theory, but certainly your genetics are the primary culprit.

Do you truly think that your body really knows the difference between your hand and a vagina when it beats off and it punishes you vis a vis hair loss?

Come now. We do not even fully understand the entire mechanism of male pattern baldness at this point. Sure, we have some knowledge, but a comprehensive understanding eludes us. DHT is in the mix, as is testosterone, as are follicles susceptible to the mechanism of male pattern baldness. Who can say beyond that?

 

[dougfunny]

(save perhaps the evolution of the western lifestyle over generations and generations.)

Don't be so sure I recently read an article about a DNA analysis done on a 4000 year old caveman and they determined he had male pattern baldness.

http://www.onlineclinic.co.uk/news/dna- ... -2342.html

 

[s.a.f]

So some of you guys (hoppi) actualy believe that if I'd had a twin who was adopted at birth and sent to live in say .... China eating their food and only wanking once a week then we met up 30 yrs later he'd have a full NW1 whearas I'm bald?
I cant prove it of course but I'm 100% sure thats BOLLOCKS.

 

[Axon]

So some of you guys (hoppi) actualy believe that if I'd had a twin who was adopted at birth and sent to live in say .... China eating their food and only wanking once a week then we met up 30 yrs later he'd have a full NW1 whearas I'm bald?
I cant prove it of course but I'm 100% sure thats BOLLOCKS.

Agreed.

And Doug, perhaps I should elucidate a bit more: while I am absolutely certain that male pattern baldness has been around for millennia, I do feel like our sloppy, overindulgent, silky lifestyle - over the generations - has increased our genetic disposition to baldness. Just a theory, I have no proof. It could simply be evolution, or it could just be one of those quirky things about the human body. Frankly, if we weren't as intelligent as a species, we would lack the notion of vanity that drives us to places like this. Our hair has little function other than, perhaps, preventing a sun burn. I guess you could also argue that it attracts mates, but I feel like that's a reach.

This is just a general observation, but I see hair loss in a lot of men of a certain racial background in the US (seems to be most commonplace in Irish, Italian, African American, Russian, Indian, and generally guys of Euro decent) whereas I rarely see a guy who's background is Mexican or Asian with hair loss (though it happens, of course). I have always wondered if that's just because of the gene pools passed down for generations, or if there is something else to it. I'm not making any racial assertions, these are just my unscientific observations. :whistle:

 

[Hoppi]

You don't understand, those guys are really pissed off about their hair loss and refuse the right of anyone to have a non-defeated attitude about it. Don't take it personally, they just wont be happy until everyone gives up, goes bald and spends every night alone.

Post of the thread! lol

I don't see the objection to things having an impact on hair loss either, I mean I'm not saying that giving up any one thing is going to reverse it unless either you were doing that one thing to the point of.. well, semi-lunacy! hehe

Or possible unless your body was particularly sensitive to that thing. People really do need to be more open minded about the causes of male pattern baldness, and how much people differ. I have done enough research now to know almost for certain that the "oh it's genetic there's nothing you can do" theory is just... I just don't see the evidence of that for a fair percentage of people, I'm sorry. For some/many, yes, but certainly not for everyone. And even then I may find out more in future that separates further groups. Like apparently we have certain deficiencies that are common for male pattern baldness individuals.

Simply imagine if someone with male pattern baldness just had a particularly low level of something associated with it, and you topped that up, they could in theory be cured. But you have to remember this is not how normal junky medicine works. We work by just treating the symptoms bluntly with no true consideration to underlying factors, and we work in little 15 minute appointments at the doctor. You can't diagnose a person in 15 minutes, not for many things anyway.

Sorry western medicine

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

Simple imbalances in a pregnant woman can induce major changes in the fetus that last for that organisms life. Even if our genetics aren't rapidly changing our expression of those can as quickly as in one generation.

Women who overindulge on high fat foods during pregnancy will give birth to an offspring with fewer fat and sweet taste receptors as well as decreased efficacy of dopamine reward pathways. Does this mean that the child is doomed to be obese no matter what they do? No. Does it mean the deck is stacked against them? Yes. This only really means however that the expression of their genes is organized in a way to influence, but not permanently seal their fate.

 

[s.a.f]

But m.p.b and bodyfat are 2 entirely different things.
M.p.b is more like height or skin/eye colour in terms of genetic change.

 

[Hoppi]

Genetics only dictates the sensitivity of your follicles, and like, baseline hormonal profile I guess.

Thing is, I did used to be starting to fall into the pure genetics way of seeing things, but I've seen a fair few people now reverse their male pattern baldness by making key lifestyle/dietary choices. Or possibly by getting underlying conditions looked at (I'm fairly sure, I just can't think of examples off-hand).

And then I though "well, if THOSE things can trigger and later reverse male pattern baldness.. then surely other factors can too?".

That's why I find it fascinating that guys with male pattern baldness are apparently often deficient in certain things. What if different people just have different triggers and it's just about finding the right one for the right person? I mean why not? If a gluten allergy can trigger it such as in Brains' case, why not a severe lack of something subtle, but commonly connected with the condition?

Don't you think it would be wonderful if you could test someone and just say "the trigger is this..." and then treat THAT. Then that would be it, one treatment and done!

And yes there may still be a group left over after all this with follicles that are just "very sensitive" but surely a good goal is to make that group as small as possible, to outline as many contributing factors as possible and tackle them?

Who knows But I am hopeful and thoughtful!


EDIT -- Additionally, when Brian S said that hair loss was like a response to something being wrong, like pain, I was like.. hmm. I don't quite know if that's true for everyone... (because so many people seem to just lose hair regardless of health).

But like.. hmm. Again, what about VERY subtle triggers? I mean for me I looked into my health and discovered I have many, many signs of hypothyroid (it's looking pretty indicative at the moment, even the blood results), and also mild anemia because I wasn't eating enough red meat (or rather ANY red meat). So, obviously it's too soon to claim that my hair loss and skin change were like "symptoms", but at this point it's not something I am ruling out.

 

[Nene]

wtf? i was just sharing my experience, im not saying that this qualifies as scientific evidence, but there's no need to throw insults at me just because you don't like the idea of sex having impact on hairloss. I don't like it either but that doesn't make it impossible.

You don't understand, those guys are really pissed off about their hair loss and refuse the right of anyone to have a non-defeated attitude about it. Don't take it personally, they just wont be happy until everyone gives up, goes bald and spends every night alone.

yawn. Yo guys are really nuts. It's not that we're pissed at being bald and want everyone to have a quitter's attitude. It's just that some people are nuts and will believe ANYTHING that they think will save their hair. I support fighting hair loss. I don't want you to quit, take finasteride, take minoxidil, use nizoral, use dutasteride for all I care. But you're not gonna find any cures with you're witch doctor theories that are not backed up by scientific evidence. You think guys with hair are less horny or beat off less? Those bald macaques must be thinking naughty thoughts!!

 

[mpbsux20]

People genetically susceptible to lung cancer would be doing themselves more harm by smoking.Not every smoker out there would get lung cancer.

People genetically susceptible to baldness might be doing themselves more harm by leading a poor lifestyle.Nobody ever said guys with a full head of hair never masturbate/have sex.They are immune to baldness...

There isn't any theory saying masturbating causes hair loss/there isn't one that says it does not.This is a pretty sensitive subject and people dont really like to talk about it much but seriously there have been studies saying it can potentially increase DHT levels,so doing it regularly like 20-n times a month might ensure that there is a steady supply of free DHT and might aggravate the condition especially when you are not taking any treatments.

Like I said doing it once in a while might not do any harm.Its totally up to the person to make the final decision it is either to wank regularly or do it in moderation.

If you feel this sounds stupid,I would say the study with 30,000 American dudes relating Masturbation and Prostate cancer sounds just as stupid.It could have just been a coincidence for all we know as there is another study that says having many sexual partners, or a high frequency of sexual activity, increases the risk of prostate cancer by up to 40 percent.I would say the both aren't even related.

Genetics is the real culprit alright but other factors can play a part too in the overall process.This could not be like a trigger or a major cause for it...Its just a factor which can hasten the process along with a poor lifestyle lacking exercises and proper nutrition.Just try doing the above for a few months and give your honest opinion whether you feel good or not.