My Anecdotal Take On Male Hair Loss...

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This is my first post, but not my first time gathering info on this forum and others like it. After reading numerous accounts of hair loss, hair regrowth or a cessation of either, I’ve come to the following conclusions. Again, this is completely anecdotal and personal to me - I’m not a doctor nor an expert in any way on the science behind hair loss in men and its prevention. My treatment is 1mg of Finasteride once per day and 1ml of Minoxidil applied topically twice per day. I’ve been on this regimen for nearly a year and my doctor and I have appreciated zero results in terms of less shedding or regrowth.

My doctor and I still hold out hope, but these are my conclusions:

1) There are only a few “proven” treatments to prevent, reduce or reverse hair loss in men. Beyond the offerings of Get Roman, For Hims & Keeps, there’s not much else to turn to, except your primary care physician or a dermatologist. Even then, the information and recommended treatments are the same. Yes, there is that ridiculous laser helmet. I know nothing about it except that I’d rather put my money into a new washer/dryer set (which would be cheaper).

2) Of those treatments, all, some or none will be effective for any given individual. (Speaking as the pessimistic person I am, it’s highly likely that another man’s success story will be your tale of failure and frustration.) Don’t be surprised if you fall into that 1% that receive no benefit from any recommend treatments. Given the size of our global population, 1% is a significantly large group.

3) No one, not the doctors, researchers, scientists, chemists, etc. knows exactly what will prevent the loss of or contribute to the regrowth of YOUR hair. For every hundred studies that you read which “prove” the efficacy of a certain drug or treatment, there will be an equal number of contradictory studies.

4) You will NEVER regrow your hair in the same painless, rapid and fulfilling way that the success stories promise. You’re unique, and your body doesn’t function exactly like others’. And forget about reacquiring the hair you had in high school by simply taking a pill every day. It. Won’t. Happen.

5) The only, nearly foolproof, way to get that wonderfully thick and beautiful mane you had thirty years ago is surgical, painful and insanely expensive. And all you’re really doing is moving hair from one location to another. It’s a losing battle. Yes, I’ve seen the commercials with the dudes who emerge from an infinity pool and gracefully stroke their gorgeous, youthful locks while beautiful women gaze longingly at them. How did that happen? They never had a male pattern baldness problem to begin with, or they spewed out thousands of dollars that most of us can’t afford to move follicles around. Heh, in reality, they’re ACTORS.

6) At some point you’ll give up the fight. If you’re between 20 and 45, it’s probably worth a shot to try to save your hair. If you’re 45 to 50+, what does it matter anymore? Unless you’re a model or celebrity and need to maintain a certain appearance, your friends and family will love you just the same as they always have. Hair doesn’t make a man; character makes a man.

Am I wrong?
 

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For those of you who don't care what you look like, getting older you will eventually give up. Wish I could say the same. I've been balding for over 30 years and still hate every day of it . I can't even look at myself in the mirror though I might be an extreme . case . I hope a better safer treatment comes out soon. Won't hold my breath though . Good luck
 

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Yeah the idea that you will suddenly stop caring about your hair the older you get is lost on me, im 30 and i know for a fact i will still be worrying about hair loss when im 50. Hopefully there will be better treatments then though.
 

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Ridiculous. Transplants arent insanely expensive in Turkey and India. You can maintain with dutasteride and get a transplant and be set for life. Unless youre one of the unlucky few.
Most people see regrowth on the big three.
 

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I seem to be genetically unlucky, ha! But, would you consider dutasteride superior to finasteride? I haven’t tried the former.
 

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I seem to be genetically unlucky, ha! But, would you consider dutasteride superior to finasteride? I haven’t tried the former.
Yes. dutasteride is a solution for 99.9999% of men.
 

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This is my first post, but not my first time gathering info on this forum and others like it. After reading numerous accounts of hair loss, hair regrowth or a cessation of either, I’ve come to the following conclusions. Again, this is completely anecdotal and personal to me - I’m not a doctor nor an expert in any way on the science behind hair loss in men and its prevention. My treatment is 1mg of Finasteride once per day and 1ml of Minoxidil applied topically twice per day. I’ve been on this regimen for nearly a year and my doctor and I have appreciated zero results in terms of less shedding or regrowth.

My doctor and I still hold out hope, but these are my conclusions:

1) There are only a few “proven” treatments to prevent, reduce or reverse hair loss in men. Beyond the offerings of Get Roman, For Hims & Keeps, there’s not much else to turn to, except your primary care physician or a dermatologist. Even then, the information and recommended treatments are the same. Yes, there is that ridiculous laser helmet. I know nothing about it except that I’d rather put my money into a new washer/dryer set (which would be cheaper).

2) Of those treatments, all, some or none will be effective for any given individual. (Speaking as the pessimistic person I am, it’s highly likely that another man’s success story will be your tale of failure and frustration.) Don’t be surprised if you fall into that 1% that receive no benefit from any recommend treatments. Given the size of our global population, 1% is a significantly large group.

3) No one, not the doctors, researchers, scientists, chemists, etc. knows exactly what will prevent the loss of or contribute to the regrowth of YOUR hair. For every hundred studies that you read which “prove” the efficacy of a certain drug or treatment, there will be an equal number of contradictory studies.

4) You will NEVER regrow your hair in the same painless, rapid and fulfilling way that the success stories promise. You’re unique, and your body doesn’t function exactly like others’. And forget about reacquiring the hair you had in high school by simply taking a pill every day. It. Won’t. Happen.

5) The only, nearly foolproof, way to get that wonderfully thick and beautiful mane you had thirty years ago is surgical, painful and insanely expensive. And all you’re really doing is moving hair from one location to another. It’s a losing battle. Yes, I’ve seen the commercials with the dudes who emerge from an infinity pool and gracefully stroke their gorgeous, youthful locks while beautiful women gaze longingly at them. How did that happen? They never had a male pattern baldness problem to begin with, or they spewed out thousands of dollars that most of us can’t afford to move follicles around. Heh, in reality, they’re ACTORS.

6) At some point you’ll give up the fight. If you’re between 20 and 45, it’s probably worth a shot to try to save your hair. If you’re 45 to 50+, what does it matter anymore? Unless you’re a model or celebrity and need to maintain a certain appearance, your friends and family will love you just the same as they always have. Hair doesn’t make a man; character makes a man.

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I mean, there are a small amount of proven treatments but that doesn't mean that there aren't other treatments which are effective. Currently, the proven treatments are finasteride and minoxidil but those treatments are candy in comparison to some of the treatments people on this website are on.

You have to find treatments suited for your body, which inevitably includes trial-and-error.

It's well-known that certain treatments stop hair loss, but the more effective it is, the more side effects there are. Doctors aren't aware of many of these treatments because they must put a focus on the 'proven treatments': finasteride and minoxidil. Even my doctors had this fixated within their minds, pushing it on me and lying about the statistics.

You can regrow your hair in a similar way, but it's uncommon since everyone reacts differently to these medications. However, it can take a simple modification which leads to success, which again relates to battling hair loss being a trial-and-error situation.

Incorrect. I can state many regimens which will lead to significantly better results than a hair transplant could ever give, however that means you will experience more side effects.

I won't give up the fight. After turning 45, I will be alive and breathing; my priorities may change, but that doesn't change the importance of hair to me. And, don't bother with 'character makes a man', you can still be a man with great character and have hair.
 

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I mean, there are a small amount of proven treatments but that doesn't mean that there aren't other treatments which are effective. Currently, the proven treatments are finasteride and minoxidil but those treatments are candy in comparison to some of the treatments people on this website are on.

You have to find treatments suited for your body, which inevitably includes trial-and-error.

It's well-known that certain treatments stop hair loss, but the more effective it is, the more side effects there are. Doctors aren't aware of many of these treatments because they must put a focus on the 'proven treatments': finasteride and minoxidil. Even my doctors had this fixated within their minds, pushing it on me and lying about the statistics.

You can regrow your hair in a similar way, but it's uncommon since everyone reacts differently to these medications. However, it can take a simple modification which leads to success, which again relates to battling hair loss being a trial-and-error situation.

Incorrect. I can state many regimens which will lead to significantly better results than a hair transplant could ever give, however that means you will experience more side effects.

I won't give up the fight. After turning 45, I will be alive and breathing; my priorities may change, but that doesn't change the importance of hair to me. And, don't bother with 'character makes a man', you can still be a man with great character and have hair.

Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough reply. I had a feeling that (negative) side effects increase as effectiveness increases. Though, I am interested in knowing what the more radical treatments are, outside of transplants.
 

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I’m very thankful for the responses I’ve received so far. I appreciate your candor! My overall opinion is built upon a scientifically/medically weak and overly emotional foundation. Being challenged on my point of view is exactly what I hoped for.

Perhaps I’ve also fallen victim to misinformation and misdirection. I won’t give up the fight at all - I’d just like to arrive at a treatment that works for me.
 

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Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough reply. I had a feeling that (negative) side effects increase as effectiveness increases. Though, I am interested in knowing what the more radical treatments are, outside of transplants.

Radical treatments are delving into the hormonal route, e.g. using anti-androgens, estradiol. Oral minoxidil is radical too, in a sense.
 

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Radical treatments are delving into the hormonal route, e.g. using anti-androgens, estradiol. Oral minoxidil is radical too, in a sense.
Oral minoxidil + dutasteride is the most extreme regiment. Anything after that is tranny route.
 

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I’m very thankful for the responses I’ve received so far. I appreciate your candor! My overall opinion is built upon a scientifically/medically weak and overly emotional foundation. Being challenged on my point of view is exactly what I hoped for.

Perhaps I’ve also fallen victim to misinformation and misdirection. I won’t give up the fight at all - I’d just like to arrive at a treatment that works for me.
A lot of factors either cause or accelerate baldness. A good start would be to abolish nutritional deficiencies, disrupted gut microbiome, sedentation, social isolation and chronic stress. When all these areas have been dealt with you should have an exceptionally greater chance at regrowing hair when initiating proven treatments.
 

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If you have some coverage then oral minoxidil and dutasteride can do magic. But yes, slick NW7s need the tranny route

It’s not that, it’s just that we don’t know how well oral minoxidil can work in combination with dutasteride in the long-run. Especially since oral minoxidil should only be used in the short-term; could dutasteride maintain the results oral minoxidil gives? Theoretically, stronger regimens can maintain the results of oral minoxidil since there’s no androgens to interfere with the follicles, so it’s similar to having telogen effluvium and then using minoxidil temporarily.
 
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