Yeah, it's basically garbage man. However, any barber will try to convince you that it's the sh*t. But, really all it is..........is sh*t. Don't waste your time and money. If you wanna go the 'natural' route than you could try revivogen, which is a bigger improvement over nioxin. However, don't expect much from revivogen either. If your thinning I would suggest propecia, proxiphen, spironolactone, eucapil, cu peptides, or maybe minoxidil. Good luck!