I can't tell if girls don't like nice guys because:
1) They don't like pushovers (direct dislike), they want to feel submissive and not feel like her majesty;
2) Being nice correlates with other attributes (indirect dislike), such as being the lower status person in a relationship. If an 8 is dating a 5, the 5 might turn into a supplicant, then the 8 will dump him on the basis that "he's too nice", but she was probably eventually going to dump him regardless;
3) Frequent niceness dilutes the value of regular niceness (semi direct dislike), like if you bring her flowers multiple times a year she will stop valuing flowers;
4) They genuinely do like nice guys, but men are delusional about who's nice and who isn't, for example the "nice guys of okcupid", all of those men thought they were filled with compassion, and they weren't, they just came off as delusional;
Good points. I sincerely think that most "genuine" women, that is women that are well balanced and looking to eventually start a family, do like nice guys. It's just the manner in which they are nice. I listen to women I care about, and help them solve their problems, if reasonable. I will also fix things, once again, if reasonable, because i am very handy and enjoy doing that for people. I also enjoy making gifts for people, sometimes randomly, sometimes for special occasions. I am not touting my own horn here when I say that I am just inherently kind to people, given what I have been through in my own life, and how I desperately needed kindness at those points.
That being said, i believe SOME women want to manipulate this type of kindness, whether subconsciously or directly. These same women will then slowly become disgusted by the same push over that they've created. I have had this happen to me.
I personally think that the only aspects in which you need to be an independent "bad boy", non pushover is with sex, availability and with the above mentioned overly desperate, do anything kindness.
I have never been too physically available. I like to see a girl im dating at most three times a week. I enjoy quality time, activities, etc... Especially those that involve nature (hiking, biking, kayaking, camping). I feel these situations not only keep the relationship interesting, but bring create a different kind of bond, one that is longer lasting. I also like a LOT of foreplay. I personally believe the actual act of sex shouldn't be sooner than 30min to 2 hours after starting to turn each other on. Men should be dominant in bed, at least initially. This I also believe. Sexual dominance has completely turned on 100% of everyone I have ever slept with.
Another big part of not being a "push over", I strongly believe, is how she sees you interacting with people outside of the relationship. I was literally in the situation with one of my ex's where an old friend, with a big mouth made the very rare comment, "your hair is thinning out". I responded with, "no sh*t, are you a twelve year old with aspergers? lol or in any situation where you are negotiating a deal, or talking on the phone with a company, etc... NO ONE likes a push over when it comes to these things.
idk.. these are just my opinions. But like Fred implied, I will NEVER again be manipulated. It happened once and it won't happen again.
Be kind, open and do nice things for those you care about... BUT, WHEN they start to manipulate it, tell them to eat a f*cking dick.
