Question for Proxiphen users

[ricknelson]

I'm having trouble figuring out if proxiphen is a lotion, cream, or liquid like minoxidil. I want to order it, but I'm concerned about the practicality of it if it is too thick in texture. I know that creams and lotions are much more difficult to apply, especially if you have a fair amount of hair on your head. Are there different versions? Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

 

[ricknelson]

Stax, Bryan, anyone. Come on guys, I really need some info on proxiphen. I'm using Nano and Prox-N, but don't want to shell out the $99 for proxiphen until I know what I'm getting. Thanks.

 

[Bryan]

Standard prescription Proxiphen is a rather thin cream. In fact, I consider it to be a little TOO thin, because I like to have some texture that I can actually FEEL as I'm applying it to the back part of my scalp. BTW, I should add here that my remaining vial is pretty old. I'm assuming that there haven't been any significant changes to the product lately.

There is also a liquid version of Proxiphen that you can request.

Bryan

 

[ricknelson]

Thanks for the info Bryan. Do you know anything about the liquid version? Is it diluted significantly from the original proxiphen, and what about its cost per month as opposed to the lotion? Also, is the lotion difficult to apply to a hairy scalp? That is the main concern for me. I know it doesn't have to be exact, but when I tried to apply Dr. Lee's 5% spironolactone lotion to the scalp it was a major pain in the a**. All responses very much welcome and appreciated.

 

[Bryan]

Do you know anything about the liquid version? Is it diluted significantly from the original proxiphen, and what about its cost per month as opposed to the lotion?

I believe the price for the liquid is the same as the cream. Dr. Proctor says it is in fact somewhat weaker than the cream, but I think he makes up for that by giving you a larger quantity of it, with instructions to apply a larger amount every day.

Also, is the lotion difficult to apply to a hairy scalp? That is the main concern for me. I know it doesn't have to be exact, but when I tried to apply Dr. Lee's 5% spironolactone lotion to the scalp it was a major pain in the a**.

It's obviously more difficult to apply to a hairy scalp, but then ALL treatments are more difficult to apply to hairy scalps, except for shampoos, I suppose!

Keep in mind that Dr. Proctor says that you don't have to apply such a treatment to every bit of your scalp. When I use Proxiphen, I part my hair in a few different places around the top of my scalp, apply a small amount of the cream at each location, and work it in well. With a little practice, it doesn't take too much time or effort.

Bryan

 

[michael barry]

Bryan,

What do you mean about not "applying the proxiphen to every bit of scalp"? I was under the assumption the entire thinning or potentially thinning area would need to be treated.


Are you asserting that you can perhaps put the prox-n or proxiphen in nine or ten small areas and it will spread throughout the tissues of the scalp to cover the entire male pattern baldness area? I always wondered about this because the Prox-N instructions to use 8-10 drops. I never could get those drops to spread out all over the entire top of my head without using about 15 drops or so.



By the way, I emailed the good Doctor and asked him about you and Stephen's debates. I simply asked him that in his years of looking at bald scaps with electron microscopes, whether or not he ever noticed any excess lymph fluids at the dermal papilla depth. I think his answer will settle your debates with Stephen as he has looked at immune cells clustering around the papilla......................I feel certain he would have noted excess fluids (which would be much larger under the scope').

 

[Bryan]

What do you mean about not "applying the proxiphen to every bit of scalp"? I was under the assumption the entire thinning or potentially thinning area would need to be treated.

I can see you're not an old-time reader of alt.baldspot! Dr. Proctor has said for years that such treatments can work even in areas of the scalp where they're not directly applied, although I'm sure that ideally, you would want to spread it throughout the thinning area. Dr. proctor has even admitted at one time or another that he doesn't understand all the reasons for why that is.

Are you asserting that you can perhaps put the prox-n or proxiphen in nine or ten small areas and it will spread throughout the tissues of the scalp to cover the entire male pattern baldness area?

Yes. At least to some extent.

By the way, I emailed the good Doctor and asked him about you and Stephen's debates. I simply asked him that in his years of looking at bald scaps with electron microscopes, whether or not he ever noticed any excess lymph fluids at the dermal papilla depth. I think his answer will settle your debates with Stephen as he has looked at immune cells clustering around the papilla......................I feel certain he would have noted excess fluids (which would be much larger under the scope').

It'll be interesting to see what he says, but I'm not expecting a whole lot.

Bryan

 

[Felk]

I will order the liquid version of his proxiphen. Ever since ive started applying it to a greater area, i've gone through the vial of cream very quickly...

I'm still curious as to the minoxidil content of his liquid version, as I'd be applying it twice a day...

 

[Old Baldy]

I emailed Dr. P a while back and asked a long question about using things to help with scalp health.

It was funny. He obviously must have thought Old Baldy was out in leftfield but he contained himself and answered something like this:

Don't know, however, your basic premise for improving the health of your scalp is important.

He was probably really thinking: I don't know wacko but scalp health is important. Duh!!

That was his way of saying, (i.e.,I assume), stick with things that can really help, give them a chance to work and don't venture into leftfield so much. Dr. P, always the professional!

He was never critical or insulting but he got his point across!!

 

[ricknelson]

As always, Bryan has been very helpful. I would be great if others with experience with Proxiphen would give their advice as well. Where are you Stax? I know you and others have used Proxiphen - the cream or the liquid? Which one is the better buy? Which is more practical, effective, etc.?

 

[Old Baldy]

As always, Bryan has been very helpful. I would be great if others with experience with Proxiphen would give their advice as well. Where are you Stax? I know you and others have used Proxiphen - the cream or the liquid? Which one is the better buy? Which is more practical, effective, etc.?

Proxiphen goes on very well. Dr. P makes a very good vehicle for delivering medications IMHO.

Proxiphen is cosmetically acceptable for me. (I don't use it much because it is a luxury item and the chemicals he uses.... well, let me just say that I will always buy a product from him because I owe it to him.)

His stuff makes my hair more robust IMHO.

 

[Felk]

As always, Bryan has been very helpful. I would be great if others with experience with Proxiphen would give their advice as well. Where are you Stax? I know you and others have used Proxiphen - the cream or the liquid? Which one is the better buy? Which is more practical, effective, etc.?

The best way to find this out is to go to http://www.hairlosshelp.com and visit the Ask the Expert section. Dr P has answered different questions such as these many many times, and his advice about his products would surely have to be the best.

Liquid proxiphen you get twice as much, but its weaker, and most, but not quite all, of the effectiveness is made up by applying it twice a day. Dr P's standard answer was something along these lines...

 

[michael barry]

Bryan,

Proctors reply was this "These are no reports of this and I hav enever (sic) seen, not that this is possible just looking at someone's scalp.

Dr Proctor


He must have skimmed my letter. I explicity referred to his looking at scalps through an electron microscope (like Uno did for the HISTOPATHOLOGY OF HAIRLOSS). I briefly summarized Stephen's theory for him.

I wish Stephen could email the guy, but Proctor is always very brief in his responses. But hell, he probably gets 100 emails a day.



By the way,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,my own two cents on Prox-N which Ive used. I liked it. I wish he gave you more. Its smells pretty pleasant, and youre head feels soothed with it. I have to be honest, and Bryan might agree with this........................I feel prox-N with plain'ol spironolactone would be about as good as using minoxidil with the prox-N. The pryidne-N oxides and NANO stimultate Nitric Oxide and minoxidil is a Nitric Oxide agonist (mimics it). So if one used Prox-N.............I dont know how much more of a boost minoxidil might give em.


I guess one way to use Prox-N if one was worried they werent getting enough on the scalp without using up he bottle way too fast woud be to buy some tricomin or american crew (same alannine, hisitidine, lysine tri-amino copper complexes in both), and just spray a little extra on. Tricomin and American Crew both were very soothing to me.


The alanine, hisitidine, lysine amino acids are in DOVE shampoo now and hairspray (but not with copper).

 

[Felk]

One thing i've always wondered... would it be better to go for Prox-n and apply whatever amount you want, say the 8-10 drops, or go for the "lite version" at lef.org and apply twice as much, since it's about half the price?

Dr P himself states that this is "a somewhat better deal for the money" so im wondering if that means it's at least half as strong.

 

[CCS]

yeah, i'm thinking about that. i think i will still use the strong stuff in and near my hair line but am thinking about the other stuff for the areas that are just starting to thin. 17 drops seems to cover everything decently, though i know i'm missing spots and probably only getting 65% of the areas i want. But at twice a day, i likely will get everything. i know i'm using a lot, but i'll cut back when I see some regrowth.

Is the lite stuff 50%?

 

[Goingat20]

Is the lite stuff 50%?

We are not sure, but im guessing its more than that...

 

[Felk]

Yeah, Dr P is "not willing to say"

 

[CCS]

where do they get the stuff? does dr P get any money? is there a patent?


and if I use proxiphen cream on my hairline and below it in the morning after a shower, will it look funny if i leave it on and go to class? I'd probably use 3 or at most 4 drops.

also, how easy is it to get just one drop out of the proxiphen cream vial?




I'm thinking about getting the lef.org dr P shampoo and using a little once a week after a 20 second pre-wash. maybe even twice a week. do you guys think it is even worth it?

 

[CCS]

where did you read that lef.org is a weaker version? it is not advertized as week on lef.org, and i can't find a reference to this on http://www.drproctor.com.

that $75 yearly membership fee means you have to buy $225 of stuff, plus the fee, just to break even, before you get any savings. If i just get 4 of each, that would last me close to 8 months. Anyone here think it is worth buying 2-3 years worth of stuff just to get bottom dollar? i'll think about it if it regrows my hair, but by then I won't know which product is to thank.

 

[CCS]

you get twice as much liquid proxiphen as the cream? is it 12.5 mL and 25 or 25 and 50?