I believe they still have to run another trial in Japan, they just get to release it before they are finished if the preliminary data is posititive. I would actually be shocked if it doesn't make it to market with Shiseido. Replicel is the one that is less certain, but I think they are likely to make it eventually after they start receiving payments from Shiseido, it could just take a long time. I don't care because I plan to fly to Japan and have this done ASAP, regardless of Replicel's timeline.
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I believe they still have to run another trial in Japan, they just get to release it before they are finished if the preliminary data is posititive. I would actually be shocked if it doesn't make it to market with Shiseido. Replicel is the one that is less certain, but I think they are likely to make it eventually after they start receiving payments from Shiseido, it could just take a long time. I don't care because I plan to fly to Japan and have this done ASAP, regardless of Replicel's timeline.
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Because it is our destiny.
Thats the truth we do feel cursed.
They can do so many things but cure hair loss is just beyond them (so far)
And keep in mind that Replicel surely showed Shiseido the 6-month results before Shiseido got on board with Shiseido's technology. So Shiseido must have known that there's a chance that Replicel's treatment may only arrest hair loss when they used resources to set-up a sophisticated building for mass production of cells to treat many patients specifically with Replicel's tech, and initiating clinical trials. Of course they're hoping they can get more regrowth by changing the dose and using repeat treatments, but I think they likely decided that arresting hair loss would be sufficient to take the treatment to market.
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thomps1523
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Agreed, but I will add along with that, that you would have to assume sheisido did their due diligence in demanding data from replicel's phase one trials, and felt confident enough that patients wouldn't lose their hair before making such a large investment in a treatment that had a few years worth of trial data available.
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Yeah they'll still have to do another phase of trials, but they can begin profiting off of it after the early release is granted while they do those trials. I agree that replicel releasing elsewhere is a big question, but I think the21st century cures act could potentially be huge for replicel in America if replicel can pick up some coin through sheisido.
http://replicel.com/replicel-provides-update-shiseido-license-co-development-rch-01/
"...PMDA certification of Shiseido’s facility purpose-built for this product"
inmyhead
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Why the f*** i always thought that shiseido is based in china lol
tress_dreams
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Shiseido Cell-Processing and Expansion Center (aka SPEC). The fact that they built a labaratory specific for this purpose should tell everyone that they are not messing around.
You can google street view the office. The pictures are outdated as it's been finished for awhile.
1-5-5, Minatojimaminamimachi, Chuo-ku, Kobe-shi, Hyogo 650-0047, Japan
I don't think they realize that an orderly mob of bald foreigners will be camping out in front of the SPEC building waiting for treatment. They may not be aware of our black fridays.
You can google street view the office. The pictures are outdated as it's been finished for awhile.
1-5-5, Minatojimaminamimachi, Chuo-ku, Kobe-shi, Hyogo 650-0047, Japan
I don't think they realize that an orderly mob of bald foreigners will be camping out in front of the SPEC building waiting for treatment. They may not be aware of our black fridays.
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Arresting the process of alopecia is not a baladi either, because it supposes that they must continue to renew the hair that is naturally lost continuously. The renewal system must be operational, does not mean that new hairs are born but if you keep those you have.
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paleocapa89
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wtf.
But if replicel is able to stop hairloss for good then we just need to get on a tranny regimen for a limited time, grow a shitload of hair, then have a replicel treatment. Right?
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Hye guys,
After having read some negative comments, I invested some hours investigating (1) Shiseido/Replicel and (2) Kyocera/RIKEN tandems as well as (3) L'Oreal 3-D solution.
I tend to think that our situation (namely, suffering from the nuts syndrom; having our head shifting from a hairy crown to damn male balls) is going to be solved. Norwood 1 is coming.
1) Well-suited investors & developers:
The fact that giants are currently financing these studies (Shiseido, Kyocera & L'Oreal) is an amazing indicator as usually shitty studies (more risky, less potential positive output) are mainly financed by public funds (it is a fact). On the other hand, Hairloss has not benefited from a "momentum" such as some tech companies did before having their R&D pipeline financed by private companies. This is a secound positive indicator: hairloss technologies in itself are not benefiting from a speculation factor. So only scientific evidences & success potential are priced in their investment offer. Not a trend premium; a good point for us.
2) A healthy competition:
Three market segments are being covered : Norwood-fucked up (namely, 4-7) and Norwood-shitty (3) and even Norwood-ok (1-2) for all 3 solutions and are potential competitors (even if we can predict L'Oreal as being a well suited actor for people being savagely hit by the sickness at the moment and would'nt invest much money in (1) & (2), or people who just want to modify a stabilized hairline, still a huge market ) . As a result, all these companies are just shitting in their pant to be the first standard of care in the industry and replace the Big 3.
Note: It seems that there are more synergies between (1) Shiseido/Replicel and (2) Kyocera/RIKEN tandems which even have labs in the same street. Some colusion may be on the line. Nice thing for us.
3) The first cellular products developed for one purpose: ending Baldness. A completly different situation than with Rogaine & Finasteride:
Rogaine & Fina had other purpose than curing the Head-Balls-Syndrome (aka bald male pattern) and in the end, they created a market which was dominated by snake-oil crap, hair transplants & shitty wigs. In a way, they oppened the door to Giants like L'Oreal to make the big move: if a pseudo solution like the Big 3 could raise billions in few decades, the right solution would make them rich. The only thing was to wait to the right moment and current R&D development will permit to propose the first process purposely funded to cure baldness. This is a key breakthrough: it's the first time in history of the mankind that an optimal process is being developed for the only purpose of curing (and not having a half solution) the Head-Nuts-Syndrome aka andro alopecia
4) Let be brief: proof of concepts are all done for these 3 solutions. Preclinical done. Phase I Phase II on the move; this is good news. Lot of risk of failure is behind us.
5) Highly ranked specialists working to develop R&D pipeline
Having a Lee Buckle as CEO at RepliCel is a good thing and the company is covered by analyst Douglas Loe who is a good lad, José Cotovio from L'Oreal is quite bullish (he's bald btw) which means a lot , and seing all the names of the Japanese experts, you know our hopes are in good hands, not as in the snake-oil-products period (10 years ago).
All these people would never put their reputation at stake in a shity project; business is like that.
So, on a nutshell: our hopes are backed by relevant success factors this time (INCREDIBLE financial support, great management, experts with strong reputation, succesful proof of concepts & Phase I, and great approaches being either cellular or biologic) . Which is a first time in history of baldness.
After having read some negative comments, I invested some hours investigating (1) Shiseido/Replicel and (2) Kyocera/RIKEN tandems as well as (3) L'Oreal 3-D solution.
I tend to think that our situation (namely, suffering from the nuts syndrom; having our head shifting from a hairy crown to damn male balls) is going to be solved. Norwood 1 is coming.
1) Well-suited investors & developers:
The fact that giants are currently financing these studies (Shiseido, Kyocera & L'Oreal) is an amazing indicator as usually shitty studies (more risky, less potential positive output) are mainly financed by public funds (it is a fact). On the other hand, Hairloss has not benefited from a "momentum" such as some tech companies did before having their R&D pipeline financed by private companies. This is a secound positive indicator: hairloss technologies in itself are not benefiting from a speculation factor. So only scientific evidences & success potential are priced in their investment offer. Not a trend premium; a good point for us.
2) A healthy competition:
Three market segments are being covered : Norwood-fucked up (namely, 4-7) and Norwood-shitty (3) and even Norwood-ok (1-2) for all 3 solutions and are potential competitors (even if we can predict L'Oreal as being a well suited actor for people being savagely hit by the sickness at the moment and would'nt invest much money in (1) & (2), or people who just want to modify a stabilized hairline, still a huge market ) . As a result, all these companies are just shitting in their pant to be the first standard of care in the industry and replace the Big 3.
Note: It seems that there are more synergies between (1) Shiseido/Replicel and (2) Kyocera/RIKEN tandems which even have labs in the same street. Some colusion may be on the line. Nice thing for us.
3) The first cellular products developed for one purpose: ending Baldness. A completly different situation than with Rogaine & Finasteride:
Rogaine & Fina had other purpose than curing the Head-Balls-Syndrome (aka bald male pattern) and in the end, they created a market which was dominated by snake-oil crap, hair transplants & shitty wigs. In a way, they oppened the door to Giants like L'Oreal to make the big move: if a pseudo solution like the Big 3 could raise billions in few decades, the right solution would make them rich. The only thing was to wait to the right moment and current R&D development will permit to propose the first process purposely funded to cure baldness. This is a key breakthrough: it's the first time in history of the mankind that an optimal process is being developed for the only purpose of curing (and not having a half solution) the Head-Nuts-Syndrome aka andro alopecia
4) Let be brief: proof of concepts are all done for these 3 solutions. Preclinical done. Phase I Phase II on the move; this is good news. Lot of risk of failure is behind us.
5) Highly ranked specialists working to develop R&D pipeline
Having a Lee Buckle as CEO at RepliCel is a good thing and the company is covered by analyst Douglas Loe who is a good lad, José Cotovio from L'Oreal is quite bullish (he's bald btw) which means a lot , and seing all the names of the Japanese experts, you know our hopes are in good hands, not as in the snake-oil-products period (10 years ago).
All these people would never put their reputation at stake in a shity project; business is like that.
So, on a nutshell: our hopes are backed by relevant success factors this time (INCREDIBLE financial support, great management, experts with strong reputation, succesful proof of concepts & Phase I, and great approaches being either cellular or biologic) . Which is a first time in history of baldness.
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NorwoodGuardian
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I'm sorry that your post is doomed to be attacked by the so called "rational" ppl here. You will hear "What have we got in the past 20 years? Be realistic, nothing gonna save us, take finasteride, we are fxxked". They like spread desparate emotion I am sure some of them are hair transplant shills especially the member with name starts with "Foll".
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??? If it is alopecia areata its posible but no public funds in androgenetic alopecia AKA common hair loss.
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A real preventive method is the first step to achieve a posssible cure, till then there is no cure. Why efforts from these companies are not encaminated to it?
GodisnotBald
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Dear sir,
I was speaking "from a general point of view" ; seeds project with crapy risk are usually financed via public funds & incubators; more mature projects & / or more "promissing" companies (depending on key people profiles and other tangible factors such as patented technology ouput quality, scientific évidences, good regulatory files, PoC or preclinical results,...) start to attract private companies and their business development department which does not have time to invest in companies which are not worth investing in
And make no mistake, you're not working for the best (L'Oreal and the two Japanese) in one of the sexiest departments in these companeis aka Business Development (buying / investing in other project / partnership / businesses ) if your not a rational genious spoting attracting investment opportunities. Mistakes can be done; here we've got 3 giants with possibly the best experts in the sector. It minimizes risk. A bit like if Bill Gates Waren Buffet and Sorros were investing in 3 different projects aiming to serve a similar problem. You just now this problem will be solved; they developped success patterns optimising positive outputs in every decision they make; together, there is statistically no chance the 3 projects will go nowhere.
In other words, this is not snake-oil crap, this is a world-class sh*t.
Dude, you will notice that "preventing" and "curing" is, for baldness, a similar step. Only time make the dramatic difference as "curing" means stoping the evolution of baldness (and transplanting new hair like L'Oreal plants to do) // preventing means stoping early (before andro alop' destructs your head) with the same product
Anyway, I'm a sceptical person when it comes to health care topics; and right now I'm quite optimistic as facts are totally inedit. It's a bit like when Cuba discovered a vaccin for lung cancer or when allograft were proposed to treat fractures: these 3 projects for hairloss are promissing
Any links, That Guy? This is very good news as it will attract investors and improve the reputation of Replicel.
I hope their skin rejuvenation sh*t works too lol. Only plastic surgery I would want is hair transplants, removing some body hair and skin rejuvenation.
I hope their skin rejuvenation sh*t works too lol. Only plastic surgery I would want is hair transplants, removing some body hair and skin rejuvenation.