Starting to get a bit narked off with the forum...

Pondle

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Someone posted on here earlier bad-mouthing the forum and I defended it... but I've got to admit, I'm having my doubts.

Now this place is still great for learning about the causes and treatment of hair loss. I found it invaluable when I started my 'hair loss journey', and I still hang around because I'm still learning, I enjoy sharing experiences, and I hope that I can pass on what I've learned to newbies who are in the same position that I was in two years ago.

But it's getting less friendly around here. There are just too many folks with an 'agenda'. They aren't interested in sharing knowledge or experience, they're more concerned about points-scoring, self-promotion or generally being impolite egotistical a**holes.

Example one. Why do we have so many trolls? If you don't have hair loss, or you are bald and happy, great. I'm pleased for you. But don't come on here and insult us. You may think that we're losers/freaks/narcissists. Many of us probably are. Perhaps I am too. But most of us are reasonably normal guys making a perfectly legal and legitimate choice to treat our hair loss, and frankly we don't give a sh*t about your opinion of us. Our choice to learn about and use treatments has no practical or moral consequences for you. Butt out.

The hypochondriacs and anti-Propecia crusaders are wearing thin as well. It's almost like some kind of organised campaign is bombarding the forum with pseudoscientific crap. Are side effects a possibility? Yes. Does Propecia cause cancer, heart disease, mental illness and global warming? No. Or at least, there's no evidence for any of this. Some guys accuse me of being a Merck shill because I'm sceptical. Fine. But the onus is on YOU to prove that the trial results were rigged and that Propecia can actually cause the myriad ailments that you claim. Let's have some real statistical evidence, not assertions that some guys once got asthenia/fatigue/depression while taking Proscar, therefore it must have been caused by finasteride. Jay-sus. :roll: You call this 'science'???

I'm finding all the Big Pharma critics tiresome. Plenty of people have a "dolphins good, drug companies bad" mentality and that's A-OK with me. Drug companies probably are quite bad sometimes, and no-one likes organisations that make money out of sickness. However, we live in a market economy, and without the profit motive, no one would bother trying to research new drugs. If all drug research was in the hands of state-owned monopolies I doubt we'd have any treatments for hair loss at all. In fact I think we'd have many fewer treatments for most types of conditions...

Anyway, rant over :!:
 

antonio666

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i 100% agree,the site should be about getting information in order to treat the condition and alsp for peoples who are having no luck to have a rant.

there is no place for people making posts about other members
 

flux

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Trashing finasteride is like shooting yourself in the foot..

Sure, its not for everyone, but it is single-handedly saving more heads of hair then anything else, and usually without any significant side effects!
God bless it!
 

Pondle

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Cassin said:
http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?t=39782&start=0

Yep, a prime example of the kind of shite that drags this place down... along with half the posts in the 'sides' forum. :cry:
 

ginner

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Yeah, you know I was thinking along the same lines myself. When I first found this forum in 2004 there seemed to be a lot more emphasis on science and proven treatments. I've just been reading it again over the weekend and there has been a change in tone. There seems to be more 'propecia-bashing' (for want of a better term) and more support for relatively unproven treatments. I'm certainly not going to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't take. People should use whatever works for them. But the evidence shows that finasteride is the most effective hair-loss treatment out there (for maintaining at least) and it's as though people don't appreciate this anymore.

Obviously if you have had serious sides then you can't use it. I understand. Personally, I'm unable to use minoxidil due to sides. But that doesn't mean that I trash minoxidil. I know that it works even though it kind of bums me out that I can't use it. I think we need to be mindful of the fact that lots of people come here for serious advice. Obviously we want to share our own experiences but I don't think we should generalise them. We definitely don't want to scare people off proven treatments.
 
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ginner, i agree in a balanced emphasis for this site. however, perhaps if you notice a more anti-propecia tone here these days, perhaps that's down to the fact more people have been on it for longer now, and thus more ill effects are becoming apparent.

but i agree there are too many people here forcing their opinions onto others. i think its less to do with having a pre-meditated agenda, and more to do with the insecurity EVERYONE who is dealing with hairloss feels about their treatment.
 

ginner

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allen_australia said:
ginner, i agree in a balanced emphasis for this site. however, perhaps if you notice a more anti-propecia tone here these days, perhaps that's down to the fact more people have been on it for longer now, and thus more ill effects are becoming apparent.

but i agree there are too many people here forcing their opinions onto others. i think its less to do with having a pre-meditated agenda, and more to do with the insecurity EVERYONE who is dealing with hairloss feels about their treatment.
Yeah, I guess there are a few more years of experience with propecia now. That could make all the difference. I agree as well that it's probably got a lot to do with insecurity. I know I've said a few things I regret because I was worried about my hair loss.

But I would maintain that I see a lot more conjecture here now than I did previously. Some of the studies that are relied on are not persuasive. I don't want to hold up FDA approval as the be all and end all, but at least the FDA process forces researchers to run their studies properly. I can't help but look to randomized, double-blind, controlled trials published in peer-reviewed journals as real evidence.
 

Hans Gruber

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isnt this board just like life though? mostly decent people trying to just get along,helping others out when they can but then a few idiots to cause trouble?


cant say i post too much outside of the off topic forum since i gathered all the info i needed from there ages ago.
 

viperfish

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There are many reasons I don't frequent this site much anymore. I don't mean to badmouth the site, but I'm being honest and I think it really has gone down the tubes imo.
 
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