"the Complete History Of Sebum -- Plus Three Words"

[Jeca Tatu]

The complete history of the Sebum Wars.

Armando has just sparked a carnage.

 

[Armando Jose]

I wish Bryan (may he rest in peace) was still around.

Here's the scientific truth: sebum is an evolutionary vestige and serves no purpose at all.

I also hope that my friend Bryan is resting in peace, but this statement is not from him, but Kligman's. Good researcher but who he pointed out that he could have been wrong. Perhaps this statement is one of these mistakes.

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v126/n4/full/5700259a.html

Albert M. Kligman: 90 Years Old on March 17, 2006
Journal of Investigative Dermatology (2006), Volume 126
An excerpt:
As Albert Kligman himself put it when I asked him what he considered to be his
major contributions to research in dermatology, “[I made] a bevy of…original observations which make up my life work…, not all of which were stellar or even true!”

 

[Armando Jose]

Loool, sebum is THE ONE root cause for Androgenetic Alopecia.
Solve sebum, you will solve Androgenetic Alopecia. Easy no ?

IMO Problems with sebum flow are the first step in the multifactorial trait of common hair loss.

Resolving this aspect does not mean a cure, we only guarantee that the hair loss will not continue. It acts as a preventive method.

 

[Armando Jose]

Doesn't DHT build up in sebum?

Yes sebum have DHT produced inside sebaceous gland. You are correct.

 

[Armando Jose]

Yes, that's why balding people on Accutane who have their sebum production completely stopped regrow all their hair.

The problem of hair loss with Accutane is due sebaceous gland deteriorated and don´t make sebum.

 

[Armando Jose]

for me it's the case, my top scalps produce an enormous quantity of sebum while the side still have a normal sebum level like any other hair.
i completly shaved my hair before with razor and can confirm you that.

this is mainly happen to diffuse hair loss which is my case.

Hi tzt,
Your assertion seems confirm my ideas ..., but I have to say you that all your scalp produce moreless the same quantity of sebum in all areas, but sides are special because they are in intim contact with an absorbent surface during several hours a day (better in night) and remove sebum surface.

 

[Armando Jose]

DHT causes sebum production.

DHT causes hair loss.

Therefore stopping sebum production will stop hair loss.

Look for the logical fallacy in there.

DHT causes hair growth, at least in body hair. There is a lot of papers regarding this issue.

OTOH
The problem with sebum is that it is a double-edged sword. No sebum is a problema, and excess and oxidation ofit is other problem.

 

[Armando Jose]

More for thought,

The sebaceous gland may appear alone on the skin, but the hair is always associated with this gland.
Is this statement 100% correct?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X15338987
Phylogeny of the Hair Follicle: The Sebogenic Hypothesis

 

[Armando Jose]

Children produce no sebum. Yeah they totally have a problem growing hair.

Stop misleading people.

Childrens have hair fat or sebum in scalp hair. Over prepubertal body there is no sebum, it is also correct.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3965578
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13023010


Stop misleading people.

 

[galil]

 

[Seuxin]

This theory is totaly garbage....
If sebum was a real problem a cure will be already available....it's theory from the 70's...
There is a lot of people with Androgenetic Alopecia with NO sebum related....i'm part of it...No greasy hair, no sebum, and near NW3.....

 

[Nadia1972]

This theory is totaly garbage....
If sebum was a real problem a cure will be already available....it's theory from the 70's...
There is a lot of people with Androgenetic Alopecia with NO sebum related....i'm part of it...No greasy hair, no sebum, and near NW3.....

If your hair loss problem is not related to sebum you do not have an Androgenetic Alopecia because all AGAs are related to sebum
In my case it is when I controlled my sebum sue my hair stopped falling and even repel
My dermato looked at my scalp and said that you could see the sebum accumulated at the root of the hair and that these hair would fall but with the treatment they would repel
You do not know what you're talking about

 

[tzt]

I'm not saying removing sebum will resolve the hair loss. but DHT can cause excess of sebum like my case and the case of most diffused thinning hair.

i'm looking for a photo that i made with my loop showing the HUUUGE amount of sebum in my top hair standing into the hair root.

i saw a lot of testemony of people that suffer from excess of sebum get rid of it when they start using finasteride. i dind't try finasteride.

removing DHT will remove the excess of sebum if the patient have excess

removing sebum won't removing the DHT from your sclaps and won't stop your hair loss.

 

[Nadia1972]

I'm not saying removing sebum will resolve the hair loss. but DHT can cause excess of sebum like my case and the case of most diffused thinning hair.

i'm looking for a photo that i made with my loop showing the HUUUGE amount of sebum in my top hair standing into the hair root.

i saw a lot of testemony of people that suffer from excess of sebum get rid of it when they start using finasteride. i dind't try finasteride.

removing DHT will remove the excess of sebum if the patient have excess

removing sebum won't removing the DHT from your sclaps and won't stop your hair loss.

When I stopped the sebum, my hair was pushed back. This is what my dermato promised me. I see it again soon. I will tell him everything that people said on this forum. He is going to laugh on DHT and sebum and all bullshitt people say in this forum

 

[Nadia1972]

Nonsense.

You 're doctor ?
You have to calm down on this forum.You have too big head but you know nothing
I had a lot of trouble controlling my sebum.Mon dermato had to increase the doses.And even with that I did not sebum to zero
Many here are girls and are afraid of hormones. If they have a very important sebum like me, a little girl dosage will give no result

 

[Seuxin]

If your hair loss problem is not related to sebum you do not have an Androgenetic Alopecia because all AGAs are related to sebum
In my case it is when I controlled my sebum sue my hair stopped falling and even repel
My dermato looked at my scalp and said that you could see the sebum accumulated at the root of the hair and that these hair would fall but with the treatment they would repel
You do not know what you're talking about

But seriously, are you aware all people here told you SEBUM is not the problem ???? Androgenetic Alopecia is an hypersensibility to AR receptor and in addition a lack of grow factors and progenitors cells. In which language we have to tell you ? Is it so hard to understand ? Maybe you have sebum related problems, and yeah too much sebum is bad for hair ( some people call this sebhorreic alopecia). Hormones helps you because they contrôl your production of sebum and lower DHT, that's all....

There is a plenty of scientist involved in hair loss like Cotsarelis, Christiano, they never will tell you hair loss is related sebum. I don't know what i'm talinkg about ? Just let me laught, you're reffering to 70's idea.....And your dermato is a researcher.....

Please return to Doctissimo, you may have good conversation with the noobs there.....

 

[Armando Jose]

Let's go by steps.
Do we agree that the hair is always linked to the sebaceous gland?
Cotsarelis, Christiano, Paus, Zouboulis, Stenn, even Kligman or Saboureaud must think so. Are you agree?

 

[stachu]

So what, your dermato is controlling your Androgenetic Alopecia by controlling sebum asdasfdasfadfrgews, can someone explain it asap !!!!11one

 

[Nadia1972]

But seriously, are you aware all people here told you SEBUM is not the problem ???? Androgenetic Alopecia is an hypersensibility to AR receptor and in addition a lack of grow factors and progenitors cells. In which language we have to tell you ? Is it so hard to understand ? Maybe you have sebum related problems, and yeah too much sebum is bad for hair ( some people call this sebhorreic alopecia). Hormones helps you because they contrôl your production of sebum and lower DHT, that's all....

There is a plenty of scientist involved in hair loss like Cotsarelis, Christiano, they never will tell you hair loss is related sebum. I don't know what i'm talinkg about ? Just let me laught, you're reffering to 70's idea.....And your dermato is a researcher.....

Please return to Doctissimo, you may have good conversation with the noobs there.....

an hypersensibility .No kidding
From a genetic point of view, no one has found the cause of the Androgenetic Alopecia. Then your hypersensitivity is of anything. The sebum kills the root of the hair by stifling it and preventing it from taking its nutrients In the scalp.There are photos taken on the scalp which shows that the sebum accumulates over time in the pores of the scalp
I told you, you do not know what you're talking about. You're just an amateur

 

[Seuxin]

Nice try...but every people here know you totally don't have any knowledge in hairloss, chemicals, biochemicals and others....Go back to your 70's studies please...All people are telling you are wrong...and don't forget you asked me a lot of advices about chemicals and other...and i' don't know what i'm talking about ? Me, an amateur ? Yes, totally...i'm not a doctor, i never tell that....Poor girl...