The next best thing after Propecia is.....?

[Fundi]

For thinning temples?

I may be quitting Propecia after 3 weeks, even though my doctor told me to just ride it out. I'm going to give it a month or two and re evaluate. So in the mean time I'm researching other options so that if I do quit, the time between me quitting finasteride and taking my next course of treatment will be small.

-So what's my next best option? I've heard minoxidil won't slow down baldness but just grow some peach fuzz to cover it up a bit and causes shedding so that doesn't seem too good.

I may use Super Zix as it's cheap, easy, apparently doesn't look bad after application cosmetically and works for some. Fluridil interests me also.

So what did others do in my situation? What do you jump on next?

 

[Grantspots]

I may be quitting Propecia after 3 weeks, even though my doctor told me to just ride it out.

What are you riding out? Shedding? Side effects? Lack of results? Important to know. If shedding, then do not drop the treatment, and definitely ride it out. If lack of results, it takes up to a year to see noticeable results, so definitely ride it out. If side effects, they do tend to decrease over time so you may choose to ride it out.

So what's my next best option?

Well you've posted in the Antiandrogen forum so I assume you're looking for another antiandrogen. Minoxidil is a growth stimulant and a completely different technique for treating hair loss. Apples and oranges in a sense. I would suggest a Revivogen + Topical Spironolactone regimen to replace Propecia.

I've heard minoxidil won't slow down baldness but just grow some peach fuzz to cover it up a bit and causes shedding so that doesn't seem too good.

Shedding is good. It is not bad. It is a sign the treatment is working. If you avoid treatments due to shedding, or a fear of shedding, you will not have any treatments to use. minoxidil does not just grow peach fuzz. It also does not stop or slow down baldness. It can grow cosmetically noticeable hair and it does not stop or slow down the process. It grows hair despite it. Antiandrogens slow down and stop the process.

I may use Super Zix

Huh? You're going to drop Propecia and avoid Rogaine so you can go on something called "Super Zix" ? :dunno:

-G-

 

[Fundi]

Thanks for the reply and Happy New Year to everyone.


I want to quit because of a minor side....my erections aren't strong as when I tense my PC muscle, it doesn't force as much blood into it (Although they're still almost (if not) as hard untensed now as they were before, so still easily good enough for sex). I can't 100% associate this to finasteride, but it wasn't like that 4 months ago. But since then I've also given up working out and over the Xmas period being eating badly with no exercise, but I've only noticed it since starting finasteride. (But that may be due to paying more attention due to paranoia regarding side effects.)

My doctor said though statistically speaking and from his experience of prescribing the drug, it should sort itself out with continued treatment as hormones re adjust, but couldn't tell me a time frame in which it should....but I don't want to wait 5 years to find out. I posted on another forum and although most told me to stick at it, one or two told me I'd be impotent permantly within 6 months if I didn't quit. Which although I do not believe, did freak me out a bit.


I will look into Revivogen (But if it's something like a shampoo I have to leave on over night, putting some sort of sheet over my pillow it's not really an option) and spironolactone. I do want to use an anti andorgen, but one directed at the hair follicles rather than the body in general (if that's possible) as otherwise it would probably give me the same side effects as finasteride.


As for Super Zix, I was thinking about using it since it apparently is absorbed quickly, can easily be made at home cheaply and several users have reported good effects (Contains Saw Palmetto, Zinc and other things). I was thinking of using it in combination with other things, rather than alone.

 

[Fundi]

Right I think what I will do is....

-Use spironolactone if I can hold of it.
-Revita shampoo
-Saw Palmetto and multi vitamins
-Possibly make a very low conc. finasteride topical if it seems viable. - May not do anything, but I've got a lot of pills to use up assuming I do quit taking it orally.

May hopefully flow things down if it doesn't stop hairloss altogether.

 

[Bryan]

Dr. Proctor has made the bold statement that Proxiphen is "unquestionably more effective than Propecia alone", so if what he says is accurate (I have no particular reason to doubt his judgement), Proxiphen is not only "the next best thing after Propecia", it's actually BETTER than Propecia!

 

[HT55]

Dr. Proctor has made the bold statement that Proxiphen is "unquestionably more effective than Propecia alone", so if what he says is accurate (I have no particular reason to doubt his judgement), Proxiphen is not only "the next best thing after Propecia", it's actually BETTER than Propecia!

I don't think I'm throwing my Propecia away anytime soon !!!!!!!!!!!!




http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/photogallery/pgbryan.htm

 

[CCS]

Dr. Proctor has made the bold statement that Proxiphen is "unquestionably more effective than Propecia alone", so if what he says is accurate (I have no particular reason to doubt his judgement), Proxiphen is not only "the next best thing after Propecia", it's actually BETTER than Propecia!

Hey, if he says the product he sells works and is better than propecia, I have no particular reason to doubt his judgement either. No independent studies needed. The few guys who used it must have had such good results they have not need to post on this forum anymore.

 

[ITSGST]

Since Proxiphen contains 5.5% minoxidil, assume if I am to use this, I would stop Rogain foam, correct?

I wonder how Proxiphen combines minoxidil and spironolactone in the same bottle? I had read something by Dr. Lee that said they react together after a few hours and thus are applied from seperate bottles.

 

[Bryan]

Hey, if he says the product he sells works and is better than propecia, I have no particular reason to doubt his judgement either. No independent studies needed. The few guys who used it must have had such good results they have not need to post on this forum anymore.

Did you see that long list I posted a while back of the 12 guys who spoke highly of Proxiphen?

 

[Bryan]

Since Proxiphen contains 5.5% minoxidil, assume if I am to use this, I would stop Rogain foam, correct?

I think Proxiphen currently contains 2% minoxidil.

I wonder how Proxiphen combines minoxidil and spironolactone in the same bottle? I had read something by Dr. Lee that said they react together after a few hours and thus are applied from seperate bottles.

Back on alt.baldspot, Dr. Proctor used to mention how he had some secret method of keeping them stable when mixed together. He was even threatening to take out a patent on that process.

 

[ITSGST]

Thanks Bryan, so, I looked back on his site and found this:

http://www.anagen.net/proxin.htm

Proxiphen contains : tretinoine, minoxidil, phenitoine, spironolactone, vared types of SOD, NANO, arginine, allantoine, NAC and other. It contains more than 5% minoxidil (5.5% says Dr. Proctor). Very interesting are the sod products of Dr. Proctor, some patented.


So, if it contains 5.5%, get off the rogain foam I assume?

 

[Fundi]

Can anyone show my Dr Proctor's site so I can see how much Proxipen costs and if they deliver to UK? - I've searched google with no luck.

It sounds very interesting.

EDIT - Sorry, I see the site above sells it.

If I do opt for a Minoxidil and spironolactone combo I think I will use it.

 

[Bryan]

Thanks Bryan, so, I looked back on his site and found this:

http://www.anagen.net/proxin.htm

Proxiphen contains : tretinoine, minoxidil, phenitoine, spironolactone, vared types of SOD, NANO, arginine, allantoine, NAC and other. It contains more than 5% minoxidil (5.5% says Dr. Proctor). Very interesting are the sod products of Dr. Proctor, some patented.

Again, that's probably OLD INFORMATION. Proxiphen used to contain 5.5% minoxidil, but a while back he lowered it to 2% minoxidil. It probably still is 2%, unless he's fiddled with the formula again recently that I'm unaware of and moved it back up.

So, if it contains 5.5%, get off the rogain foam I assume?

Yeah, maybe.

 

[Petchsky]

Probably best to email him concerning the current ingredients.

 

[ITSGST]

So, following this thread as I am in the same boat as Fundi. I have sides of ED and now my testicles hurt. I have been on 1mg Propecia / Rogaine foam 2x day / 1% Nizoral once every 3 days for 5 months.

In Moderator and long time poster's opinion, if I were to get off Propecia, would it be best to:

1. Keep on Rogaine Foam / Nizoral and supplement it with topical Topical Spironolactone (and Revivogen??). For the topical spironolactone, which is better (liquid or cream) when you compare strength, smell, effect and ease to apply/how it makes your hair look after applying?

OR

2. Get off of Rogaine Foam and get on Proxiphen regimen? What does the Proxiphen regimen include?

OR

3. Something completely different???

Thanks!

 

[Petchsky]

I can't say which is best i've not taken any of those drugs, but i am thinking of getting of the finasteride and you are thinking along the same lines as me in terms of the hairloss drugs you're looking in to.

Or maybe proxiphen + xandrox...just to complicate matters

 

[TA45]

Hello all,
I recently asked an online hair Dr. what I should take if i'm not on Finasteride. I mentioned to him I am however on Minoxidil. He was nice enough to reply back to me and responded by suggesting 2% zinc pyrithione shampoo & get a prescription for Azelex as azelaeic acid. I appreciate his response and would really like to hear any one's responses or experiences with these products before I go ahead and purchase them. I think it is important to mention I have diffuse thinning on top (sides are ok). Look forward to hearing from you!
Tim

 

[SoThatsLife]

Bryan do you know he has lowered his minoxidil dose in Proxiphen?

 

[DoctorHouse]

I emailed him about the percent of minoxidil about 6 months ago and he told me less than 2%. I then told Bryan this on one of my posts so that is how Bryan knows. I am wondering if any patients who formally used the Proxiphen with 5.5% responded better than the current version. I am wondering if he can still make a higher percentage minoxidil version still. I would prefer an alcohol free version of minoxidil.

 

[SoThatsLife]

Thanks, Doctor.
How is your Proxiphen experience?

I find it kinda weird that he has lowered the minoxidil dose but from my email from dr p he don't seem to be a huge fan of minoxidil. I'm still thinking about using it, but maybe together with minoxidil foam. But then again, I can't say Prox-n have helped with anything other than my scalp health since my hair is still thinning.