Treatment of male pattern baldness.... results from 1988!

[Jacob]

GLC analyses of the fat-soluble pollen extract
revealed that the major part (more than 60%) of
the fatty acid was in the free form (Table 1, Fig.
1). Bound fatty acids, which rather reflect the
compositional profile of pollen, were
characterized by a high content of α-linolenic
acid (18: 3n-3, α-LLA) (70%) followed by small
amounts of linoleic (18: 2n-6) and oleic acid
(181n-9) only. Palmitic acid (16:0) was the most
abundant saturated

http://www.graminex.com/graminex/file/13_an_analytical_study_on_fatty_acids_in_pollen_extract.pdf

 

[LawOfThelema]

Generally, the only way I know of to get free-form fatty acids is by way of a chemical company. Revivogen has free-form fatty acids, but they might very well be getting theirs from a chemical company, too.

Do you need to order omega-3 and omega-3 free form fatty acids from a chemical company, if when ingested, they are to have an effect on inflammatory processes in the body?

 

[Bryan]

Do you need to order omega-3 and omega-3 free form fatty acids from a chemical company, if when ingested, they are to have an effect on inflammatory processes in the body?

I suspect not.

- - - Updated - - -

"GLC analyses of the fat-soluble pollen extract revealed that the major part (more than 60%) of the fatty acid was in the free form (Table 1, Fig. 1). Bound fatty acids, which rather reflect the compositional profile of pollen, were characterized by a high content of α-linolenic acid (18: 3n-3, α-LLA) (70%) followed by small amounts of linoleic (18: 2n-6) and oleic acid (181n-9) only. Palmitic acid (16:0) was the most abundant saturated."

I strongly recommend that if you want to apply fatty acids to your scalp as 5a-reductase inhibitors, do NOT use pollen extracts for that purpose! Use something specifically designed for it. Revivogen would be a good choice.

 

[Jacob]

I suspect not.

- - - Updated - - -

"GLC analyses of the fat-soluble pollen extract revealed that the major part (more than 60%) of the fatty acid was in the free form (Table 1, Fig. 1). Bound fatty acids, which rather reflect the compositional profile of pollen, were characterized by a high content of α-linolenic acid (18: 3n-3, α-LLA) (70%) followed by small amounts of linoleic (18: 2n-6) and oleic acid (181n-9) only. Palmitic acid (16:0) was the most abundant saturated."

I strongly recommend that if you want to apply fatty acids to you scalp as 5a-reductase inhibitors, do NOT use pollen extracts for that purpose! Use something specifically designed for it. Revivogen would be a good choice.

Besides the fact that you know I think Revivogen is a bunch of hyped-up old....yesterday...nothing unique...etc..ah...stuff- the point is that there is a way to get them in the free-form besides from a chemical company(actually the pollen has plenty of other goodies as well). And I'd be more than happy...tomorrow...to repost what I've said regarding Revivogen not using anything different than what some other companies use. That Revivogen says nothing about theirs being so unique and being in the "free form"...etc etc. I don't care what some goofball years ago said privately or even in a forum. They say nothing about it anywhere else.

 

[Bryan]

Besides the fact that you know I think Revivogen is a bunch of hyped-up old....yesterday...nothing unique...etc..ah...stuff- the point is that there is a way to get them in the free-form besides from a chemical company(actually the pollen has plenty of other goodies as well). And I'd be more than happy...tomorrow...to repost what I've said regarding Revivogen not using anything different than what some other companies use. That Revivogen says nothing about theirs being so unique and being in the "free form"...etc etc. I don't care what some goofball years ago said privately or even in a forum. They say nothing about it anywhere else.

And you're so trusting that you believe anything anybody else says about that, even in a one-line advertising blurb! Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth-Fairy?

I don't know that there is ANY other product (other than Revivogen) that uses "free-form" fatty acids. I don't know of ANY other way to get such "free-form" fatty acids, other than buying them from chemical companies, and they're expensive as hell.

 

[Jacob]

And you're so trusting that you believe anything anybody else says about that, even in a one-line advertising blurb! Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth-Fairy?

I don't know that there is ANY other product (other than Revivogen) that uses "free-form" fatty acids. I don't know of ANY other way to get such "free-form" fatty acids, other than buying them from chemical companies, and they're expensive as hell.

What advertising blurb? If you're talking about the pollen's free-form fatty acid content talk, it's from:

T. Seppanen and I. Laakso
Division of Pharmacognosy, School of Pharmacy, University of Helsinki, SF-00170 Helsinki,
Finland
J. Wojcicki and L. Samochowiec
Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Medical Academy, Powstancow Wielkopolskich 72,
PL-70-11 Szczecin, Poland

Again:

GLC analyses of the fat-soluble pollen extract
revealed that the major part (more than 60%) of
the fatty acid was in the free form (Table 1, Fig.
1). Bound fatty acids, which rather reflect the
compositional profile of pollen, were
characterized by a high content of α-linolenic
acid (18: 3n-3, α-LLA) (70%) followed by small
amounts of linoleic (18: 2n-6) and oleic acid
(181n-9) only. Palmitic acid (16:0) was the most
abundant saturated

So Bryan..why is it again that Revivogen themselves make no mention of these "expensive as hell"..unique.."free-form" fatty acids? They have such unique fatty acid ingredients but they say nothing about it? Oh wait..there's a thread on this: http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/interact/showthread.php/62151-Revivogen-continued?

 

[The Natural]

Revivogen does not work. And that is all any of us need to know about this product. It is a complete waste of money.

 

[The Natural]

By the way, I am dropping the primrose oil for now. Just taking Omega 3 fatty acids, as someone else suggested here. I think that the benefit of soy beans for our purposes is not necessarily in the isoflavone, but rather as a source of Omega 3. I tried LEF's soy isoflavones five years ago, and experienced more thinning as a result. Also, the higher rates of male pattern baldness in Japan is not unrelated to the decrease of Omega 3 fatty acids in their post World War II diet (less soy beans, tofu, fish, etc.)

 

[LawOfThelema]

Most of the research hypothesizes that it's the isoflavones that are doing the work when it comes to soy. What the actual effect is, is conflicting according to studies. Some show increased 5ar and dht some show decreased. The difference could be whether those taking the soy or the isoflavone are able to metabolise daidzein into equol which binds to DHT. Try it agin with green tea extract, and take vitamin C to enhance the availability of the tea catechins in the extract. lol


and to those who take finasteride or dutasteride, if that they may increase your risk of high grade prostate cancer is true , youd do well to load up on your green tea and soy for their protective effects in that regard.

 

[andersonlynch]

This is nice.

 

[The Natural]

Thank you, but I have used soy isoflavones in combination with green tea extract before: thinning was the result. They do not help. And I would discourage others from using it internally. A waste of money.

 

[elvis123]

Thank you, but I have used soy isoflavones in combination with green tea extract before: thinning was the result. They do not help. And I would discourage others from using it internally. A waste of money.

EPO and DIM are a waste of money. Try researching them without relation to male pattern baldness. You will see that there is alot of conflicting advice and no concrete evidence that it actually does anything at all!

 

[rwGourmetStyleWellness]

DIM DOES INDEED help with estradiol but with balding it makes it several times worst. Everytime I took it, it helped the estrogen and made my hair shed like 2 cheap rugs.

By EPO I guess you are saying evening primrose oil? I've seen ladies say it helps them. I'm thinking of trying it myself.

 

[andersonlynch]

Nice post. This thread is very interesting.

 

[LawOfThelema]

Thank you, but I have used soy isoflavones in combination with green tea extract before: thinning was the result. They do not help. And I would discourage others from using it internally. A waste of money.

so you dont discourage pouring soy milk and green tea on your head 8)?

 

[The Natural]

so you dont discourage pouring soy milk and green tea on your head 8)?

By all means, pour some in your tub, and bathe in it.

 

[2020]

Thank you, but I have used soy isoflavones in combination with green tea extract before: thinning was the result. They do not help. And I would discourage others from using it internally. A waste of money.

there is NO WAY these two made your hair loss EVEN WORSE. NO WAY.
No effect? Big maybe....

 

[The Natural]

there is NO WAY these two made your hair loss EVEN WORSE. NO WAY. No effect? Big maybe....

Yes, unfortunately. I attribute the increased thinning directly to the soy isoflavones. I used LEF's Mega Green Tea Extract years before with no adverse effects. After adding soy isoflavones, my thinning increased. Fact.

Green tea extract, I have found, is not necessary to maintain your hair. I drink four - five cups of leaf (not bag) green tea daily.

Soy isoflavones are worthless for our purposes. There are better ways to spend your hard-earned money. That stated, soy beans are a good source of Omega 3, which may be helpful for our purposes.

 

[2020]

Yes, unfortunately. I attribute the increased thinning directly to the soy isoflavones. I used LEF's Mega Green Tea Extract years before with no adverse effects. After adding soy isoflavones, my thinning increased. Fact.

Green tea extract, I have found, is not necessary to maintain your hair. I drink four - five cups of leaf (not bag) green tea daily.

Soy isoflavones are worthless for our purposes. There are better ways to spend your hard-earned money. That stated, soy beans are a good source of Omega 3, which may be helpful for our purposes.

ok but soy isoflavones have been PROVEN to block some DHT so how could less DHT mean more hair loss to you? Maybe you bought the wrong soy isoflavones...

 

[The Natural]

ok but soy isoflavones have been PROVEN to block some DHT so how could less DHT mean more hair loss to you? Maybe you bought the wrong soy isoflavones...

Let me put it to you this way: soy isoflavones did nothing to stop my hair loss. And I believe, my hair loss accelerated while using this product by LEF. Now, you can do what you want, buy it, then put it on your head, down your throat, or shove it up your bum for all I care.

I am merely sharing my experience. If you have another, then good for you; by all means, share yours. As of now, your ***umptions and hypothesis about soy isolflavones are just as worthless as the product LEF peddles to uninformed consumers.