Tricomin

[BenVegas01]

The proven treatments for hairloss Minoxidil, dutasteride, ketoconazole, Finasteride - all show the % of active ingredient. Why should AHK-cu be any different?

I generally tend to agree with you on that, but for whatever reason(s), it's simply not the case in the Real World. Procyte certainly doesn't state the percentage of copper-peptide in Iamin Hydrating Gel, Dr. Pickart doesn't state how much copper-peptide is in his products like Folligen, and Dr. Proctor most certainly doesn't state how much of each ingredient is in Proxiphen (hell, he doesn't even state what all the ingredients actually are, much less how much of each one is included in the product). If even the FTC (not to mention the FDA) doesn't force product makers to tell how much of each ingredient is in the product (or what each ingredient actually is), it's obviously okay (and legal) for such information to be withheld from the consumer.

It shows a contempt of the buyer, especially those who assumed they would be getting what had worked in the clinical trial ie: 2.5% AHK-cu

Again, I generally tend to agree with you, but I also acknowledge the fact that people like Dr. Proctor would probably be easily cheated by the "do-it-yourselfers" who would make cheap versions of things like Proxiphen, if they know exactly how much of each ingredient to use. I can appreciate knowing exactly what we're putting on our scalps, but I can also appreciate having a doctor protect the intellectual property that he has invested in all of his products.

Another issue that complicates what you said above about the "2.5% AHK-Cu peptide" in Tricomin has to do with the fact that the exact vehicle used in Tricomin is probably important. Procyte made improvements to the vehicle, allowing them to use a somewhat weaker peptide solution, saving us all money. I don't think it's completely fair for you to demand that we know exactly how much peptide is in the product, as if that's the sole basis on which to estimate its overall effectiveness, and decide whether or not to purchase Tricomin.

Thanks for the reply -

I would have thought that it would be the opposite. Users that don't know what they are getting are more likely to want to go the 'DIY' route - to ensure they are getting the real thing.

And i take your point about the vechile being important, but whatever the vechile used in the trials, should be the one sold, until more trials are done and published. After all, thats the only way they could know with certainty which vechile is best. As it was under patent, i can't see the underground market effecting mainstream sales.

I know many products don't adhere to this kind of transparancy, and it may be legal, but i think people need to reserve the right to be critical of these approaches that arn't transparent.

One of the big problems we have in hair loss treatments is that it takes at least 3 months, and perhaps up to 12 months to see results. For that reason i want as much certainty as possible about the treatments i am using. We are now at the point where the DIY route is becoming easier and safer thanks to some dedicated people on these forums.

Powersam - I'd love to see the full text also.

 

[powersam]

Powersam - I'd love to see the full text also.

Wish I could find it. Searched high and low.

 

[Bryan]

The post you made at 10:39 yesterday (just scroll to the top of page 2 of this thread) you attribute remarks made by powersam to kinofthedemo2. I believe if you double check, you will find your error....check powersam's post:

Oops!! You're right, I got my attributions all screwed-up. Sorry to all for the confusion...

 

[Preston]

The problem with Tricomin is that it only contains trace amounts of the active ingredient (AHK-CU) in fact the amount it contains is basically ineffective in terms of hair growth. The sad thing is that AHK-CU has been shown in clinical trials to be an effective hair growth stimulant and more importantly an antifibrotic, however it was only shown to stimulate hair growth at a 2.5%-5% strength, unfortunately Tricomin is more concerned with profits than they are with efficacy so they dye their solution blue (AHK is a blue Powder) to try and trick people into believing that it contains a significant amount of AHK. But the reality is a 2.5% solution will naturally turn the liquid a deep royal blue color so the fact that they dye their solution blue proves that their solution has a very low concentration of AHK in it, and this ius why it's a very weak product, almost ineffective.


It's a shame too because fibrosis is a fundamental part of the balding process because once fibrosis of the hair follicle occurs you have very slim chances of actual regrowth, but a product that contains a 2.5% solution or higher of AHK can reverse fibrosis, so if you use it with a antiandrogen (finasteride) or a topical antiandrogen (RU, RUM, CB,etc) you have a much higher chance of regrowth then if you used the antiandrogens by themselves, because antiandrogens alone cannot reverse fibrosis, if you throw a growth stimulator in the mix to you have a great chance at some serious regrowth! Unfortunately, Tricomin doesn't contain ebnough AHK to be effective!


I just bought a kilo of Pure (AHK) to make my own 2.5%-5% solutions with see the rich deep blue color of the peptides in the pic.

Could you tell us where you bought this please ?

 

[finfighter]

The problem with Tricomin is that it only contains trace amounts of the active ingredient (AHK-CU) in fact the amount it contains is basically ineffective in terms of hair growth. The sad thing is that AHK-CU has been shown in clinical trials to be an effective hair growth stimulant and more importantly an antifibrotic, however it was only shown to stimulate hair growth at a 2.5%-5% strength, unfortunately Tricomin is more concerned with profits than they are with efficacy so they dye their solution blue (AHK is a blue Powder) to try and trick people into believing that it contains a significant amount of AHK. But the reality is a 2.5% solution will naturally turn the liquid a deep royal blue color so the fact that they dye their solution blue proves that their solution has a very low concentration of AHK in it, and this ius why it's a very weak product, almost ineffective.


It's a shame too because fibrosis is a fundamental part of the balding process because once fibrosis of the hair follicle occurs you have very slim chances of actual regrowth, but a product that contains a 2.5% solution or higher of AHK can reverse fibrosis, so if you use it with a antiandrogen (finasteride) or a topical antiandrogen (RU, RUM, CB,etc) you have a much higher chance of regrowth then if you used the antiandrogens by themselves, because antiandrogens alone cannot reverse fibrosis, if you throw a growth stimulator in the mix to you have a great chance at some serious regrowth! Unfortunately, Tricomin doesn't contain ebnough AHK to be effective!


I just bought a kilo of Pure (AHK) to make my own 2.5%-5% solutions with see the rich deep blue color of the peptides in the pic.

Could you tell us where you bought this please ?

I bought this from a professional lab, let's just say I have some connections.

 

[finfighter]

I just mixed up a 1% cream (on the left), and a 5% cream (on the right), after one application my scalp inflammatin and itching was completely resolved!

 

[Preston]

What's the point of what you're doing if nobody can get it ?

 

[finfighter]

Who said noone can get it?

 

[finfighter]

Bryan, this is what a 1% solutiion of real AHK looks like. And Tricomin has got to add food dye to theirs to obtain a blue hue, interesting, it's official Tricomin doesn't even contain 1% AHK, and 2.5% is what is needed, what a joke.....

 

[Maxclifton]

Understand that there are a few skeptics amongst us and for good reason. I'm considering trailing it myself but will have to commit the 3+ months or whatever the minimum recommended timeframe to see results is. Considering getting from this place http://hairlossresolutions.com/tricomin-follicle-spray/ as they claim to beat competitors by 10%. Worth a stab perhaps...

 

[longhair1983]

Bryan, this is what a 1% solutiion of real AHK looks like. And Tricomin has got to add food dye to theirs to obtain a blue hue, interesting, it's official Tricomin doesn't even contain 1% AHK, and 2.5% is what is needed, what a joke.....

How much does it cost buy bulk of this stuff. Why would the manufacturer add less material than it should be?

 

[powersam]

Bryan, this is what a 1% solutiion of real AHK looks like. And Tricomin has got to add food dye to theirs to obtain a blue hue, interesting, it's official Tricomin doesn't even contain 1% AHK, and 2.5% is what is needed, what a joke.....

How much does it cost buy bulk of this stuff. Why would the manufacturer add less material than it should be?

One must assume cost was the primary reason for using a percentage that was not even close the effective percentage in the trials.

Or maybe the 2.5% is more harsh than they would consider acceptable.

 

[blaze]

Bryan, this is what a 1% solutiion of real AHK looks like. And Tricomin has got to add food dye to theirs to obtain a blue hue, interesting, it's official Tricomin doesn't even contain 1% AHK, and 2.5% is what is needed, what a joke.....

How much does it cost buy bulk of this stuff. Why would the manufacturer add less material than it should be?

One must assume cost was the primary reason for using a percentage that was not even close the effective percentage in the trials.

Or maybe the 2.5% is more harsh than they would consider acceptable.

There were absolutely no side effects reported from the 2.5% clinical trials. Except hair growth.

finasteride has tried 5% cream and said it caused him no problems.

Procyte were almost bankrupt when they brought Tricomin out. So that would certainly be a reason.

 

[powersam]

There were absolutely no side effects reported from the 2.5% clinical trials. Except hair growth.

finasteride has tried 5% cream and said it caused him no problems.

Procyte were almost bankrupt when they brought Tricomin out. So that would certainly be a reason.

Have you seen the full study? All I can find is the one press release about it.

 

[virtua_]

I just mixed up a 1% cream (on the left), and a 5% cream (on the right), after one application my scalp inflammatin and itching was completely resolved!

Wow, really interesting!!

Would you be willing to formulate 5% cream and sell as well? Would love to get my hands on this, looks potent!

 

[twenty.five]

Tricomin and other products that aren't keen to disclose their ingredients are dodgy.

They include as little of the active ingredient as possible because they're cheap and pathetic. Water and food dye doesn't cost much at all.

 

[blaze]

double post.

 

[blaze]

Bryan where you at?

Would love to hear your comment about fins picture of 1% AHK-Cu solution he made.

 

[finfighter]

Bryan??? :whistle:

 

[HairMetal]

How much the 1kg costed?