Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

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Well it's the second time i will quit minoxidil and this time it's for good.. This time i lasted longer but i made my mind now and took my conclusions out of this..
First time i used it for almost a month, it degraded my hair density a lot and made my hairline to recede even more than it already did without any treatments... Because i stopped it as i remember i started shedding again and it took a couple of months until my hair started to get back to normal, in terms of density and the way it felt by a whole, it changed color again to the way it was and it did not feel like sh*t as it felt when i was on minoxidil.. My hairline did not came back to the point where it was before starting minoxidil but i never thought it will anyways..
Now after a year and a half or something like that, i stumbled upon this thread and said to give minoxidil a chance again with dermarolling... I have to admit that dermarolling made a difference in terms of scalp health, the itchiness is gone, no more oily scalp but the minoxidil made things worse again... I used it for 2 months and today i'm gonna stop it for good.. Why ? The shed was real bad but i knew it and i'm not stopping because of that, for a couple of days the shed has stopped and i know that regrowth should be around 4-6-8 months but i'm not willing to go through shed cycles again and again just to get some frizzy hair that does not look natural back and with the cost of being dependent on this solution..
I never believed it but it made my skin to look like sh*t in 2 months, i feel my eyes and face bloated every day i wake up after using it, i have daily fatigue even if i am well rested and without drinking or smoking being active and eating healthy like i usually do and besides all of this i started growing hair all over the place except on my head.. My arms, chest, beard got denser and have to shave it off even more often than i usually did anyways... My hairline receded even more and i'm sure it's not gonna come back this time also like the last time i experienced this and in the end i'm not willing to do this every f*****g single day for the rest of my life just to get some hair looking like pubic hair and unnatural and minoxidil dependent on my head... I should have trusted my instinct and the general reviews about this product and i came to the conclusion that it's best to just dermaroll if you want and see how it works or to just pop that finasteride pill or in the end just to get a hair transplant and be done with it, or in the end just shave it off and own it and that's that...
Seeing my hair degrading in the last years made me try this sh*t solution 2 times and from my anecdotal experience and opinion, it made it worse every time without any comeback after i stopped the treatment like it should have come, to the base on which you started the treatment And no, it's not possible for the pattern to evolve that fast if it did not before you started the treatment.. And i know for sure that my hair loss progression accelerated because of it, besides the fact that i read that a lot of people had accelerated loss that never came back, some doctors say that for some it can make you lose hair that would have fallen maybe in a couple of years anyways, but much faster with minoxidil...
I just imagined myself today putting this sh*t every single day on my head 2 times and after getting all the discomfort it cause, from the oily head it leaves to the hair it causes to grow all over the place, to the bloated eyes and face, to the wrinkles and all the sh*t you need to do repetitive like a robot every day just to get some minoxidil dependent hair that will fall of with the first time you stop using this sh*t... It's useless in my opinion, maybe for some it works good i saw some extraordinary results on diffuse thinners but for receding hairline i think it's mostly useless, even if it does something after a while it loses effectiveness and if your hair falls in clumps because it was minoxidil dependent you have done nothing...
Who the f*** knows on how it affects the heart and other stuff in time if from the first uses it makes you feel like sh*t in a way and makes you grow hair all over the body, it's clear that even this sh*t 5% foam gets systemic and can cause different sides, maybe a lot of them not specified on the leaflet and so on...
 
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I would really like to know how this drug actually works and how does it promote hair and why it's dependent on the solution even after becoming terminal but i'm sure that i'm not the only one who would like that.. From my experience and understanding, from the anecdotal reports from others and doctors, it pushes out the weak follicle and promotes a new one, dependent on minoxidil.. If it truly is this way, it means that if it pushes out the follicles that were already programmed to fall and in the miniaturization process, that means that if you stop minoxidil after they have fallen, there is no chance in them growing back after... If you use minoxidil and bring them back and make them terminal, they will fall when you stop it and that means that you can actually speed the balding process with this product by a couple of years, who knows maybe even accelerating it through some kind of process on which this drug works.. Who know in how much time those weak follicles would have fallen or how much they would have stayed on your head if minoxidil wouldn't have pushed them away ! But what about the other healthy follicles that it makes you shed them, that are not programmed to fall from DHT, who can guarantee that they won't come back minoxidil dependent also ?
What i find odd is that i saw a couple of report of people who used it on the beard and after the follicles got terminal, they say they kept that hair even after years of stopping minoxidil, but there anecdotal reports also, nobody knows exactly if those follicles were there anyways and people did not notice them...
 
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Every time she's about to place the paper under the microscope she cuts the video. Coincidence? I think not.

****FOR ANYONE WHO IS DERMA-ROLLING*****
For the best results, roll while you're in the shower
• Your skin is softer and causes less pain
• You can apply more pressure
• You can rinse the blood off your head
• You will have better chances of setting yourself up for success
 

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I would really like to know how this drug actually works and how does it promote hair and why it's dependent on the solution even after becoming terminal but i'm sure that i'm not the only one who would like that.. From my experience and understanding, from the anecdotal reports from others and doctors, it pushes out the weak follicle and promotes a new one, dependent on minoxidil.. If it truly is this way, it means that if it pushes out the follicles that were already programmed to fall and in the miniaturization process, that means that if you stop minoxidil after they have fallen, there is no chance in them growing back after... If you use minoxidil and bring them back and make them terminal, they will fall when you stop it and that means that you can actually speed the balding process with this product by a couple of years, who knows maybe even accelerating it through some kind of process on which this drug works.. Who know in how much time those weak follicles would have fallen or how much they would have stayed on your head if minoxidil wouldn't have pushed them away !
What i find odd is that i saw a couple of report of people who used it on the beard and after the follicles got terminal, they say they kept that hair even after years of stopping minoxidil, but there anecdotal reports also, nobody knows exactly if those follicles were there anyways and people did not notice them...

The hair on beard isn't atacked by DHT that's the difference.
 

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The hair on beard isn't atacked by DHT that's the difference.

Yeah i thought of that also, than it means that minoxidil brings back the hair that was miniaturized by DHT and if you stop the minoxidil it will fall again.. I wonder what happens with the hair that was not miniaturized and DHT resistant that minoxidil caused it to shed, it should come back after a time i think regardless of minoxidil or not correct ?
 

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Let me preface this by saying I've been on finasteride for almost 5 years now. It stopped working last year sadly and I've been losing lots of density and receding as well. This is my last hope

I have Accutane induced hairloss, dupa more specifically

I've been using the derminator once a week at 2mm for about 2 months now.

I definitely gained lots of density, I used to see my scalp through my wet hair after I got out of the shower, and now I barely see it.

Hairline is gaining a bit of baby hairs

I'll update in a few months.

I'm only using finasteride 1mg, derminator and one application of stemm serum after derminator

What Norwood would you guys say I am?
 

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Would be great to see a photo of your situation before you started the microneedling.

Your hair looks good though.
 

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Dutasteride has started to do it's crazy f*****g magic on my hair.

I do a test when I finish a strip where I pull my hair back with a contrasting comb(choose color opposite of your hair color) and look for new regrowth in my hairline using a flash light(phone light). Now there is much more regrowth than ever had. I think I'm going to regrow all my hair on my front.


The negatives are -

1. Still very little or no response in my crown but then I started losing my crown when I was 15. It's been more than a decade since I lost it. It was the first to go and it may be the last to recover.

2. Microneedling and minoxidil did induced new hairgrowth but what dutasteride is doing is next level sh*t. I'm not gonna criticize others who believe in microneedling and minoxidil but it's just another weapon in the armory. It should be called the big 4 now. I've just finished 3 strips of 30 with a pre loading of 3 pills a day for 10 days, so that is 70 days of dutasteride and suddenly a new burst of hair growth that is no way in hell vellus hair regrowth because of it's pigment, thickness and length.

3. I'm never getting back my adolescent hairline. Yes the density is most likely going back to the good old days but I'll have a high forehead.


5. The f*****g problem is still not solved and it will take an actual futuristic treatment to solve it. I'm hoping follica will work.
Were you on fina before?

Wish that I had access to dutasteride.
 

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Dutasteride has started to do it's crazy f*****g magic on my hair.

I do a test when I finish a strip where I pull my hair back with a contrasting comb(choose color opposite of your hair color) and look for new regrowth in my hairline using a flash light(phone light). Now there is much more regrowth than ever had. I think I'm going to regrow all my hair on my front.


The negatives are -

1. Still very little or no response in my crown but then I started losing my crown when I was 15. It's been more than a decade since I lost it. It was the first to go and it may be the last to recover.

2. Microneedling and minoxidil did induced new hairgrowth but what dutasteride is doing is next level sh*t. I'm not gonna criticize others who believe in microneedling and minoxidil but it's just another weapon in the armory. It should be called the big 4 now. I've just finished 3 strips of 30 with a pre loading of 3 pills a day for 10 days, so that is 70 days of dutasteride and suddenly a new burst of hair growth that is no way in hell vellus hair regrowth because of it's pigment, thickness and length.

3. I'm never getting back my adolescent hairline. Yes the density is most likely going back to the good old days but I'll have a high forehead.


5. The f*****g problem is still not solved and it will take an actual futuristic treatment to solve it. I'm hoping follica will work.
This gives me hope. I also lost my crown when I was 15.
 

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Here you have what 2 months without minoxidil can actually do to your hair ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/cgjccw/this_is_what_happens_if_you_suddenly_stop_your/

While on minoxidil :
https://i.imgur.com/HE2ER4r.jpg

After 2 months without minoxidil :
https://i.imgur.com/kfOgz4b.jpg

f*****g fantastic what this sh*t treatments can actually do to your hair.. Who the f*** knows how much of his healthy hair has been made dependent of minoxidil while he was on it and who knows if he will ever recover from this sh*t.. It really sucks that nobody asked him or him saying how much time did he actually use it for so i could make an idea out of it..

It seems i'm in for a ride !
 
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Me Vs DiffuseThinning

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Here you have what 2 months without minoxidil can actually do to your hair ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/cgjccw/this_is_what_happens_if_you_suddenly_stop_your/

While on minoxidil :
https://i.imgur.com/HE2ER4r.jpg

After 2 months without minoxidil :
https://i.imgur.com/kfOgz4b.jpg

f*****g fantastic what this sh*t treatments can actually do to your hair.. Who the f*** knows how much of his healthy hair has been made dependent of minoxidil while he was on it and who knows if he will ever recover from this sh*t.. It really sucks that nobody asked him or him saying how much time did he actually use it for so i could make an idea out of it..

It seems i'm in for a ride !
Can you stop going around every thread and shitting on the treatments we have? We get it, the treatments aren't perfect. It's all we got. You can leave the forum if you're only here to sh*t on the forum members and the treatments we use. Regarding that dude, he is a diffuse thinner; all of his hairs on top stopped being healthy the moment that the diffuse thinning started. Minoxidil didn't make any of his healthy hairs dependent. Stop your nonsense man.
 

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Can you stop going around every thread and shitting on the treatments we have? We get it, the treatments aren't perfect. It's all we got. You can leave the forum if you're only here to sh*t on the forum members and the treatments we use. Regarding that dude, he is a diffuse thinner; all of his hairs on top stopped being healthy the moment that the diffuse thinning started. Minoxidil didn't make any of his healthy hairs dependent. Stop your nonsense man.

Lmao, mate there is no need to expose your frustrations all over the place.. It's a public forum and i was just expressing my opinions and sharing my experience and asking for your advises and opinions on this, i was trying to have a debate because i want to know what others think...

You could have left it at your opinion which i find logical and it makes sense, thanks for clearing it up ! It would have been more good if i could have seen a photo of him before starting any treatment ...

And regarding treatments aren't perfect, my opinion is that they are sh*t, no even close to perfect, but you know how it is, everybody is free to think what he wants ! From what i saw and experienced all this time i lurked the internet in searching for something i came to the conclusion that transplants are the only solution for now, rest is just a bandage that gives a lot of life changing sides for maybe a couple of years of hair and when it starts falling again it's gonna be more tragic than if you would let it go by it's natural course, but as i said that's just my personal opinion no need to agree with it, it's not like somebody is forcing you to do or think something, that's why you have your own mind, at least i hope !
 
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Lmao, mate there is no need to expose your frustrations all over the place.. It's a public forum and i was just expressing my opinions and sharing my experience and asking for your advises and opinions on this, i was trying to have a debate because i want to know what others think...

You could have left it at your opinion which i find logical and it makes sense, thanks for clearing it up ! It would have been more good if i could have seen a photo of him before starting any treatment ...

And regarding treatments aren't perfect, my opinion is they are sh*t, no even close to perfect, but you know how it is, everybody is free to think what he wants !
Okay so here is my opinion. If you're diffusing that bad younger than 30, then I think even your donor area isn't completely healthy. It might not be miniaturizing as bad as the top, but the donor will be of a finer calibre than the donor of those without such aggressive hair loss.
 

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Okay so here is my opinion. If you're diffusing that bad younger than 30, then I think even your donor area isn't completely healthy. It might not be miniaturizing as bad as the top, but the donor will be of a finer calibre than the donor of those without such aggressive hair loss.

Makes sense, now what i wonder is how his hair would have looked like if he did not take minoxidil in the first place, i mean how much time would have been needed for him to get where he got after he stopped minoxidil.. I guess if he would have stayed without it a year or so maybe some of his hair would have grown back but in the same time maybe his male pattern baldness would have progressed anyways and he wouldn't regrowth sh*t back.. Really fucked up, i wonder sometimes if maybe it would be better just to leave it go on it's natural course, depending on everybody's pattern of course, maybe in some cases treatments can actually accelerate the pattern and hair loss..
 

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2 months after quitting minoxidil? No wonder he looks bad. minoxidil has a way of lining up the cycling of the follicles.

Check back on that guy in a year. He probably won't look as bad as he does now.

Minoxidil doesn't slow down the balding process itself. It only offers some extra growth to offset it. Once the gains level off and stop climbing (1-2 years), the loss will resume at the original rate - because it never really stopped.
 

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2 months after quitting minoxidil? No wonder he looks bad. minoxidil has a way of lining up the cycling of the follicles.

Check back on that guy in a year. He probably won't look as bad as he does now.

Minoxidil doesn't slow down the balding process itself. It only offers some extra growth to offset it. Once the gains level off and stop climbing (1-2 years), the loss will resume at the original rate - because it never really stopped.

Yeah sounds logic, kind of fucked up in a way but it is what it is... And if his normal baldness pattern advances in that year i don't know how much he would regrow anyways.. And can't check up on him after a year because he panicked and started minoxidil again after he saw his hair falling that way !
 

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Nice to see some real reports of rolling not doing much at all for those already on the big 3. Like been said before the best before and afters were from those who started minoxidil/finasteride/dutasteride at the same time as needling. The rest of you are just butchering your scalp and destroying what little hair you had left. You really think the follicles appreciate the surrounding tissue being inflamed and leaking blood everywhere? Dont you think the follicles get enough blood anyway? Lol. If you must do something, microneedle at 0.5mm every day before minoxidil which will improve absorption, but all this crunchy scalp fibrosis nonsense should really stop.
 

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Nice to see some real reports of rolling not doing much at all for those already on the big 3. Like been said before the best before and afters were from those who started minoxidil/finasteride/dutasteride at the same time as needling. The rest of you are just butchering your scalp and destroying what little hair you had left. You really think the follicles appreciate the surrounding tissue being inflamed and leaking blood everywhere? Dont you think the follicles get enough blood anyway? Lol. If you must do something, microneedle at 0.5mm every day before minoxidil which will improve absorption, but all this crunchy scalp fibrosis nonsense should really stop.
Cope. I gained a ton of density just using the dermintor for 2 months now.
 

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I think some people here were talking about Dr.Bhanusali having something to do with Follica? He posted this, not sure if it is Follica related or maybe just some topical solution but looks pretty effective
 

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