Which product for frontal baldness?

[Impressionable1]

Welcome aboard JuniorGatsby! You'll find a very supportive group at this discussion board. Although each of us shows off some rough edges at times, you'll most likely feel that you belong here and make an impact...because you do!!!

In response to your question about the "Big 4"...I forget who but someone had listed Low Level Laser Therapy with the ""Big 3"

Thanks Greg1. So basically low level laser therapy... is it like the LaserComb thing?

And what is "Big 3"?

 

[Impressionable1]

BTW, I did not know Propecia could make your estrogen levels rise and cause chest growth or gynecomastea (sp?)... :shock: That's discouraging...

I'd always read Propecia was at least one of the most effective products available and second only to the stronger version, Dutasteride, that inhibits DHT even more?

 

[lossing my hair]

BTW, I did not know Propecia could make your estrogen levels rise and cause chest growth or gynecomastea (sp?)... :shock: That's discouraging...

I'd always read Propecia was at least one of the most effective products available and second only to the stronger version, Dutasteride, that inhibits DHT even more?

as far as hair loss treatment is concern, propecia is the most effective treatment available. dutasteride has not been proven to be more effective than propecia. always keep in mind, that there was a reason why they cancelled phase 3 clinical trial of dutas. procecia inhibits DHT from the type 2 alpha reductase enzyme, which leaves free testostorone and increases between 10% to 20%. but for some the percentage rate can be higher, which can lead to gynecomastea however that is so rare. it's so rare, according to studys 1% of the people on procecia had gyno. my advise to you is don't get discourage, or paranoid because of posts you read on this forum. remember most of the people in this forum are hear because they experience sides, none responders, or simply paranoid. which equal to the percentage of none responder, sexual sides, etc on the studys.

 

[Impressionable1]

BTW, I did not know Propecia could make your estrogen levels rise and cause chest growth or gynecomastea (sp?)... :shock: That's discouraging...

I'd always read Propecia was at least one of the most effective products available and second only to the stronger version, Dutasteride, that inhibits DHT even more?

as far as hair loss treatment is concern, propecia is the most effective treatment available. dutasteride has not been proven to be more effective than propecia. always keep in mind, that there was a reason why they cancelled phase 3 clinical trial of dutas. procecia inhibits DHT from the type 2 alpha reductase enzyme, which leaves free testostorone and increases between 10% to 20%. but for some the percentage rate can be higher, which can lead to gynecomastea however that is so rare. it's so rare, according to studys 1% of the people on procecia had gyno. my advise to you is don't get discourage, or paranoid because of posts you read on this forum. remember most of the people in this forum are hear because they experience sides, none responders, or simply paranoid. which equal to the percentage of none responder, sexual sides, etc on the studys.

Very interesting points... I guess that is encouraging, since my problem is not as bad as the vast majority of cases that I've seen online and elsewhere... I hope that doesn't make me vain to be pursuing this.

Thanks for you for replying, lossing.

You say that studies show only 1% of people using propecia had gyno... Well, I've noticed that very few men, in general, have gyno as it is... so what if you ALREADY have mild gyno... and then take the drug?

Is dutasteride not a pumped up version of propecia?

When you say increases 10-20% is that referring to the rate of hair re-growth?

What's been said or studies show as the most effective on the frontal hairline and temples portion? Would that be propecia? That's what I've read... I'm dying to try it but I have heard that it should be combined with natural things like saw palmetto and vitamins for maximum benefit.

Sorry for all the questions!

 

[lossing my hair]

well if you have gyno there is a possibility i guess of doubleing that chance. what i mean about 10 to 20% is the serum level of testostorone increase by inhibiting DHT, not hair growth.
dutasteride inhibit both type 1 and 2 of AR enzyme. that's what makes dutasteride more potent. it inhibit 90% of dht in the body however the type 1 enzyme doesn't have any effect on hair loss. theres not proof is more effective than propecia. dutasteride can be the last choice, if propecia doesn't work. propecia has shown on studies to be effective on frontal hair line, but no sufficient evidence on the temples. i personally believe propecia is the best product for hair loss and no it doesn't have to be combined with natural supplement for maximum benefit. thats bs. propecia on the clinical trial was combined only with nizoral and t gel shampoo. a word of advice, don't go by everything you read. go by words that come from reliable studies. good luck

 

[socks]

In regard to Finasteride VS Minoxidil:

I think it is very important understand one very important difference between the two above mentioned drugs!

Minoxidil is a hair stimulant. Minoxidil basically induces dormant hair follicles to start growing again, stay in the anagen phase longer , spend less time in teleogen, and possibly thicken the hair up a bit. Think of Minoxidil as a good steroid for the hair (note that is just an analogy as Minoxidil is certainly not a steroid).

Finasteride on the other hand is a 5ar inhibitor. The 5ar is an enzyme that is responsible for converting testosterone in the more potent androgen, DHT. By reducing the 5ar levels your body produces less DHT. As a result the actual balding process that is brought on via DHT is halted or greatly slowed down (in responders).


Finasteride and Minoxidil nicely compliment one another but if I had to choice between actually protecting my hair via Finasteride or simply augmenting it via Minoxidil, I would go with Finasteride (protecting my hair).

Yes, Minoxidil does seem to give better hair counts/weights but, since Minoxidil doesnt protect your hair from DHT, your hair is **still** being damaged (this damaged is just "offset" by Minoxidil).



So bottom line:

If you're in the early stages of balding Finasteride and Nizoral (Ketoconazole) is probably all you need. If you already have some obviously thinning or balding areas then you would also be best served by adding Minoxidil.



PS

Dutasteride *has* been shown to be more effective then Finasteride but Dutasteride is not FDA approved for Androgenetic Alopecia (male pattern baldness). A likely reason is that Dutasteride causes a serious reduction in overall DHT which, despite what some may think, is important for your body. I dont think men under 40 should try Dutasteride except as a last resort and only after understanding all the cons as well as the pros... There is more to Dutasteride then the obvious ability to inhibit both 5ar enzyme!

 

[Impressionable1]

well if you have gyno there is a possibility i guess of doubleing that chance. what i mean about 10 to 20% is the serum level of testostorone increase by inhibiting DHT, not hair growth.
dutasteride inhibit both type 1 and 2 of AR enzyme. that's what makes dutasteride more potent. it inhibit 90% of dht in the body however the type 1 enzyme doesn't have any effect on hair loss. theres not proof is more effective than propecia. dutasteride can be the last choice, if propecia doesn't work. propecia has shown on studies to be effective on frontal hair line, but no sufficient evidence on the temples. i personally believe propecia is the best product for hair loss and no it doesn't have to be combined with natural supplement for maximum benefit. thats bs. propecia on the clinical trial was combined only with nizoral and t gel shampoo. a word of advice, don't go by everything you read. go by words that come from reliable studies. good luck

Thanks!