Who Would Help Fund A Kerastem Therapy?

[Blackber]

Does anyone here speak Japanese?

It'd be nice to contact the clinic in Japan and see what their patient photos look like just for comparison.

Just emailed BelPrime to schedule a Skype consultation.

 

[lynney45]

Vince,

I think I have to disagree with you on the photos. Assuming we got the same presentation - first pic was the old guy who went from NW6 to NW3, you werent fond of the second and third pic, but everyone on the forum thought those were major improvements, the second and third pic are the ones on Kerastems website, second pic was the short hair guy and third pic is the woman in the website. The fourth pic I dont really remember I start having connection issues. But the fourth pic was one that is not online. So everyone here already knows the second and third pic and from my observations the users believe it was a great improvement.

Another point on why I think this is a good treatment is based off my meeting it seemed like the average improvement was 30% not 10-30%. And 30% improvement on miniaturized follicles is good, but 30% on early stage hair is a huge deal, if my existing hairs had a healthy environment my whole head would look great. It makes sense, and the injected fat stays in your scalp, My only question is how the fat dissapears in male pattern baldness guys in the first place, but by reinserting fat into the scalp we are giving our hair follicles a healthy habitat. So this seems good for anyone, especially guys who are diffuse thinners and not slick bald.

That being said, the first pic of the guy in his 50s was definitely slick bald in a few spots and he grew back quite a bit of hair. I totally think this is worth the 4500 euros and im going to go for it. The only thing I freak out about is those damn needles piercing my brain but im sure there is a lot separating the subcutaneous fat from your brain.

Yeah i was told on average its 30% improvement...i heard no mention of the 10% figure unless Vince was told different?

 

[paleocapa89]

Well... I'm much less enthusiastic about this treatment now. Thank you for taking the effort and conducting the interviews guys. The thing is if the regrowth is not well over 10% how can we be sure that it isn't just pushing the telogen hairs into anagen for a brief period? We need numbers above 10% to be able to talk about actual regrowth with confidence.

 

[Bad_Wolve]

i would take 10% regrowth for the next five years. but after vince visit, it is all a little bit fishy.

 

[lynney45]

I've just called them again to resolve the confusion. And like I've said the best people had was 30 %, but they results between 10 % and 30 % with the success rate of 90 %.

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I was shown the photos of the bald guy and of the woman from the Kerastem official presentation separately. The two or three cases that I saw weren't Kerastem before/after photos. And those photos had no improvement that I could see. I'm just speaking what I saw. You can rest assure that I'm speaking the truth because If I thought the results were satisfactory I would be the first to volunteer for you guys to fund me to do this, since I don't have money to pay for myself.

I'd like to see the pics from the swiss clinic to get a better representitive example of a larger number of people. The swiss clinic has dozens of pics. I hope the will be willing to show them over skype.

 

[Blackber]

I'd like to see the pics from the swiss clinic to get a better representitive example of a larger number of people. The swiss clinic has dozens of pics. I hope the will be willing to show them over skype.

You set up a conference with them?

 

[lynney45]

You set up a conference with them?

Have emailed them asking for a skype consultation. Not sure if they will agree to it, they said they charge a few for face to face consultations last time i spoke to them.

 

[Blackber]

I've just called them again to resolve the confusion. And like I've said the best people had was 30 %, but they had results between 10 % and 30 % with the success rate of 90 %.

They've emailed me back and they'll be setting up a consultation for me next week. I'm going to ask them if this helps you maintain what you have. If you only see 10% regrowth but maintain what you still have for awhile that might still be beneficial to a lot of people here.

P.S. Vincent I got your PM I'll definitely use that and follow up with you.

 

[Greybeer]

damn you and your logic

That's not logical at all, they obviously still are in the early process gathering data with private patients that pay for the procedure. Therefore it's not ready to make headlines yet. As they said 30% increase in density potential for regrowth so it's far from a cure and apparently a bit better then the finasteride and minoxidil. So it's not like they can head to the mountains and scream we've cured hair loss they haven't,they provided another treatment; hair loss already has two approved treatments worldwide being distributed by billion-dollar pharmaceutical companies that don't want to be dethroned so they need to tread lightly. Obviously the north American market is where they want to get it approved, the fact that they're spending the money to try can almost guarantee that they've seen results that can compete with the already approved treatments. finasteride and Rogaine had it easy there was no other options to complete with.Saying it's a scam because of what he stated is at best an assumption no different than me claiming that it is 100% capable of 30% regrowth. We need a proper attempt to come to a valid conclusion.

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I think a very important factor after any kind of treatment like this; is nutrition! People barely get enough EFA's and they definitely rarely take them with enough antioxidants, not to mention various amino acids I think it be really interesting to try something like this under a strict diet and supplement regimen as well as applying topical's.

I've been following a pretty strict routine, and I'm actually seeing a pretty big difference in my hair. It MAY have actually triggered some regrowth.

 

[slam1523]

That's not logical at all, they obviously still are in the early process gathering data with private patients that pay for the procedure. Therefore it's not ready to make headlines yet. As they said 30% increase in density potential for regrowth so it's far from a cure and apparently a bit better then the finasteride and minoxidil. So it's not like they can head to the mountains and scream we've cured hair loss they haven't,they provided another treatment; hair loss already has two approved treatments worldwide being distributed by billion-dollar pharmaceutical companies that don't want to be dethroned so they need to tread lightly. Obviously the north American market is where they want to get it approved, the fact that they're spending the money to try can almost guarantee that they've seen results that can compete with the already approved treatments. finasteride and Rogaine had it easy there was no other options to complete with.Saying it's a scam because of what he stated is at best an assumption no different than me claiming that it is 100% capable of 30% regrowth. We need a proper attempt to come to a valid conclusion.

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I think a very important factor after any kind of treatment like this; is nutrition! People barely get enough EFA's and they definitely rarely take them with enough antioxidants, not to mention various amino acids I think it be really interesting to try something like this under a strict diet and supplement regimen as well as applying topical's.

I've been following a pretty strict routine, and I'm actually seeing a pretty big difference in my hair. It MAY have actually triggered some regrowth.

Dang!

 

[Blackber]

Many people would consider finasteride and minoxidil a scam as well. The only reason why you don't hear that rhetoric more often is because they have FDA approval.

finasteride gave me moderate side effects and made no difference in my hair. minoxidil has given be slight regrowth but no where near as much as they advertise.

I understand both those treatments work for some people who swear by them, and they don't work for others which call it a scam (some who get terrible side effects which is even worse).

There's no reason why Kerastem can't be somewhere inbetween.

Obviously it's more expensive but it's worth that risk to me. Especially if it does what they advertise, it's side effect free, and I don't have to put oily nasty crap in my hair twice a day.

To each their own. At this point I'm fairly certain im going to give it a try and I will definitely report back here whether the results are positive or negative.

 

[Greybeer]

I think I'm going to try it, my hair loss is barely noticeable to the untrained eye but my right temple has taking a beating. 10% id be nw0. But I really want to incorporate diet and amino acid supplement regimen specifically designed for hair growth, I'm still young and I caught it early I think It would have some pretty big benefits for me.only thing is I am extremely skinny, so I'm just trying to wonder how I can get enough fat. As for the scars not a huge concern I have horrific scars from a tragic accident take my word for it there is much that you can do bio oil twice a day for three months major difference, derma roller haven't tried it myself but it supposed be pretty impressive if you're religious with it and then there is major surgery and various other things a dermatologist can do

By the way how did you guys get a hold of the Switzerland clinic, and what city is it in?

 

[lynney45]

Booked in for the 27th April in Belgrade, and flights are booked. My plan of action is to have only one incission for the mini lipo to reduce scarring. I am thinking of having the lipo bellow my belly button in the centre of my stomach so that can extract the fat from either side from one central location (as to having two unnecessary incisions and more scarring with incisions on both side of my stomach). I then plan to have PRP and Laser treatment on this scarring in about 1 years time (which i was planning on doing anyway as i have acne scarring on my shoulders from when i was a teenager) so i will have this scarring included.

I have emailed Concept clinic in Switzerland for a Skype chat just for thehope of seeing some more photos. I am awaiting their reply. I have decided not to go with the Swiss clinic though as its 6500 + 150 (for consultation) + circa 300 for accomodation. This just incurs way too much cost for a 10-30% improvement.

Whereas the Belgrade clinic is 4500 all in. I have also figured i will recoup some of these costs on Seti + CB purchases over the next two years (until a better treatment comes out). As i plan to drop off topicals after 3 months of having the procedure.

Anyway i know its all a risk, i think this could be beneficial for my type of hairloss as i dont have any slick bald spots and just need strengthening. And you don't get anywhere in life if you don't take risks once in a while. At this point i would rather regret doing it than not doing it. I can afford it and will be able to recoup the money back in4 months wages. Therefore a 4 month salary sacrifice is worth the risk to me.

 

[Blackber]

Booked in for the 27th April in Belgrade, and flights are booked. My plan of action is to have only one incission for the mini lipo to reduce scarring. I am thinking of having the lipo bellow my belly button in the centre of my stomach so that can extract the fat from either side from one central location (as to having two unnecessary incisions and more scarring with incisions on both side of my stomach). I then plan to have PRP and Laser treatment on this scarring in about 1 years time (which i was planning on doing anyway as i have acne scarring on my shoulders from when i was a teenager) so i will have this scarring included.

I have emailed Concept clinic in Switzerland for a Skype chat just for thehope of seeing some more photos. I am awaiting their reply. I have decided not to go with the Swiss clinic though as its 6500 + 150 (for consultation) + circa 300 for accomodation. This just incurs way too much cost for a 10-30% improvement.

Whereas the Belgrade clinic is 4500 all in. I have also figured i will recoup some of these costs on Seti + CB purchases over the next two years (until a better treatment comes out). As i plan to drop off topicals after 3 months of having the procedure.

Anyway i know its all a risk, i think this could be beneficial for my type of hairloss as i dont have any slick bald spots and just need strengthening. And you don't get anywhere in life if you don't take risks once in a while. At this point i would rather regret doing it than not doing it. I can afford it and will be able to recoup the money back in4 months wages. Therefore a 4 month salary sacrifice is worth the risk to me.

Agreed, I feel the same exact way.

 

[Armando Jose]

Booked in for the 27th April in Belgrade, and flights are booked. My plan of action is to have only one incission for the mini lipo to reduce scarring. I am thinking of having the lipo bellow my belly button in the centre of my stomach so that can extract the fat from either side from one central location (as to having two unnecessary incisions and more scarring with incisions on both side of my stomach). I then plan to have PRP and Laser treatment on this scarring in about 1 years time (which i was planning on doing anyway as i have acne scarring on my shoulders from when i was a teenager) so i will have this scarring included.

I have emailed Concept clinic in Switzerland for a Skype chat just for thehope of seeing some more photos. I am awaiting their reply. I have decided not to go with the Swiss clinic though as its 6500 + 150 (for consultation) + circa 300 for accomodation. This just incurs way too much cost for a 10-30% improvement.

Whereas the Belgrade clinic is 4500 all in. I have also figured i will recoup some of these costs on Seti + CB purchases over the next two years (until a better treatment comes out). As i plan to drop off topicals after 3 months of having the procedure.

Anyway i know its all a risk, i think this could be beneficial for my type of hairloss as i dont have any slick bald spots and just need strengthening. And you don't get anywhere in life if you don't take risks once in a while. At this point i would rather regret doing it than not doing it. I can afford it and will be able to recoup the money back in4 months wages. Therefore a 4 month salary sacrifice is worth the risk to me.

Good luck

 

[TheShining]

Booked in for the 27th April in Belgrade, and flights are booked

That is great. Good luck!

Would you mind sharing the name of the clinic?

 

[Bad_Wolve]

i think we should chip in and fun lynney45. he is a member of the community here and he is sharing the information we all want to know. we will not get the money for the whole therapy, but even if we get the money for the flying tickets it would be a fair deal.

every year my hair are getting worse. even if it would give him a 10% regrowth the next five year, god that would be great! i have tears in my eyes after every single minoxidil shedding. all my balding brothers year, please be so kind an chip in for him.

 

[lynney45]

i think we should chip in and fun lynney45. he is a member of the community here and he is sharing the information we all want to know. we will not get the money for the whole therapy, but even if we get the money for the flying tickets it would be a fair deal.

every year my hair are getting worse. even if it would give him a 10% regrowth the next five year, god that would be great! i have tears in my eyes after every single minoxidil shedding. all my balding brothers year, please be so kind an chip in for him.

Thanks for the very kind offer Bad Wolve, i wouldn't ask anyone to fund me though as i was planning on doing this treatment on my own anyway and report back either way if its working or not. It's very generous of the forum to consider funding its members, it feels like a real community where we all support each other to fight this.

 

[lynney45]

Seeing the pictures at Concept Clinic is a no go without paying for a face to face consultation, they came back with this:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Dear Mr *****,[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]We do not offer consultations on skype I’m afraid. You are welcome to send us pictures as a first step but at a certain point you would need to come in person in order for Dr Schaludraff to give you a correct analysis.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]You are welcome to contact me again should you wish to schedule and appointment or send me pictures.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Sincerely,[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Anette Salsgård


Concept-Clinic Dr. Schlaudraff"

It's such a shame really as Christopher1 said he seen dozens of before and afters. Looks like i will have to take a leap of faith at BelPrime
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[Blackber]

Seeing the pictures at Concept Clinic is a no go without paying for a face to face consultation, they came back with this:

Dear Mr *****,

We do not offer consultations on skype I’m afraid. You are welcome to send us pictures as a first step but at a certain point you would need to come in person in order for Dr Schaludraff to give you a correct analysis.


You are welcome to contact me again should you wish to schedule and appointment or send me pictures.


Sincerely,

Anette Salsgård


Concept-Clinic Dr. Schlaudraff"

It's such a shame really as Christopher1 said he seen dozens of before and afters. Looks like i will have to take a leap of faith at BelPrime

That's pretty crappy. I could understand them having that position if you were local to their clinic but I'm assuming they know you're from out of town.

I would also like to think they understand that offer a fairly unique treatment that only a handful of places in the world offer at the moment. They're obviously going to get inquiries from out of town.

Doesn't make much sense to me. Looks like I'm going to be taking a leap of faith with you at BelPrime.