With All These Upcoming Treatments, How Likely Is It For Us Get Hair Like This

[That Guy]

Except he's right. There's absolutely no evidence any pipeline treatments cause cosmetically significant results. Tsuji is really the only hope but I'd bet my life savings that a 2020 release doesn't happen.

No, he is not right.

"Full of underperforming outfits". Yeah motherfucker, Riken and Shiseido are super under-performing outfits; that's why the former is an internationally respected institute home to Nobel Prize winners and the latter is the fifth-largest cosmetics company in the world and has been going strong for over 100 years. Follica is spearheaded by a long-practicing dermatologist who is chairman of dermatology at the University of Pennsylvania. Histogen has shown in their clinical data that it works, etc. I could go on. It is beyond retarded to claim, especially from companies that haven't yet released their product, that they are "underperforming".

Histogen produces more than cosmetically significant results, Tsuji's can grow an entire new follicle (up to 4 from 1 primordium), wounding can produce new hair (and quite a lot of it). These aren't up for debate, the clinical research exists showing exactly this. Let me guess though, the pictures are all just faked and they're lying to the FDA?

My god, people are f*****g dense. Go ahead and bet your life savings on it, Hemo; you have no solid basis to make that bet. I hope you lose it all.

 

[KO1]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't tsuji's method not even have much more evidence than most of these other upcoming treatments? From most of these we have some science backing them, trial data, interviews, and in a few cases some photos (qualities vary, and most pics I've seen people don't like)...There's no "concrete/solid" evidence any of this stuff works fantastically or will come out when they say.... BUT despite this, they all do seem promising using my own judgement, and I'm confident from what we've seen from them that atleast a couple of these treatments will be effective and come out very soon (brotzu 1st, then histogen,shiseido,follica,tsuji later on, etc..)

Yes, there is little or no evidence that Tsuji has solved the problems that are inherent in culturing human HF cells successfuly. All this hype so far has been based on faith. The technology is promising, I agree, but forum members are already building altars to worship Tsuji.

Also, culturing human HF cells takes time to passage. After you run multiple protocols with different recipes, trial/error/rinse/repeat....the timelines really add up.

Maybe Tsuji has the answer, I don't know, but he hasn't proven it.

 

[KO1]

No, he is not right.

"Full of underperforming outfits". Yeah motherfucker, Riken and Shiseido are super under-performing outfits; that's why the former is an internationally respected institute home to Nobel Prize winners and the latter is the fifth-largest cosmetics company in the world and has been going strong for over 100 years. Follica is spearheaded by a long-practicing dermatologist who is chairman of dermatology at the University of Pennsylvania. Histogen has shown in their clinical data that it works, etc. I could go on. It is beyond retarded to claim, especially from companies that haven't yet released their product, that they are "underperforming".

Histogen produces more than cosmetically significant results, Tsuji's can grow an entire new follicle (up to 4 from 1 primordium), wounding can produce new hair (and quite a lot of it). These aren't up for debate, the clinical research exists showing exactly this. Let me guess though, the pictures are all just faked and they're lying to the FDA?

My god, people are f*****g dense. Go ahead and bet your life savings on it, Hemo; you have no solid basis to make that bet. I hope you lose it all.

Uh no, I'm not dense. I've followed Follica more closely than anybody on the forums, especially you. Follica has disappointed, they already failed their Phase 2 trials five years ago, and were jolted to life by the Indian DR study (which they proudly claim is covered by their IP). After ten years of research, their product is going to be a dermabrasion + minoxidil procedure. Now maybe if SM releases their product, it would be a good addition to Follica's technology platform. But that is years away. Follica's idea is great, it's just not mature.

As for Histogen...Jesus Christ...are people still expecting these guys to release something?

 

[That Guy]

LOL, why don't you ask to suck their c**** while you're at it? I could give 2 shots about how reputable or long-lasting a company is - pharma groups make plenty of bad investments.

And no, I'm not gonna claim histogens pics are photshopped - they're just downright bad results. Even a 100% increase doesn't mean sh*t when you start with the # of hairs those participants did.

And my bet re: Tsuji is based on history. Find one example of a company meeting its "best case" timeline. How long has it taken Follica to get to this point?

Why don't you suck my c*** while we're at it?

Then don't go to Histogen, you little crybaby. The vast majority of people who aren't afraid of Finasteride and did something about their hairloss early on will welcome such a treatment.

"Pharma groups make bad investments" yes, and you know for sure this is one of them, right?

Follica's timeline is irrelevant to Tsuji's. Your bet assumes you know the feasibility of their timeline better than they do. Yes, it's completely possible they could miss their timeline, but as it currently stands, they feel they can meet it; I'll trust their judgement.

Yes, there is little or no evidence that Tsuji has solved the problems that are inherent in culturing human HF cells successfuly. All this hype so far has been based on faith. The technology is promising, I agree, but forum members are already building altars to worship Tsuji.

Also, culturing human HF cells takes time to passage. After you run multiple protocols with different recipes, trial/error/rinse/repeat....the timelines really add up.

Maybe Tsuji has the answer, I don't know, but he hasn't proven it.

Read the interview; their latest research has shown them potential solutions to the cell culturing problem in terms of sufficient epithelial cells and they're still prepped for trials in 2018. They seem pretty confident they know how to do it.

Uh no, I'm not dense. I've followed Follica more closely than anybody on the forums, especially you. Follica has disappointed, they already failed their Phase 2 trials five years ago, and were jolted to life by the Indian DR study (which they proudly claim is covered by their IP). After ten years of research, their product is going to be a dermabrasion + minoxidil procedure. Now maybe if SM releases their product, it would be a good addition to Follica's technology platform. But that is years away. Follica's idea is great, it's just not mature.

As for Histogen...Jesus Christ...are people still expecting these guys to release something?

Yeah man, you've followed it so close that you actually believe it's simply dermabrasion and minoxidil.

Yes, we are expecting Histogen to release something since it's only the first treatment to enter phase III trials since Propecia 20 years ago.

You're not "dense", fine. However, your understanding of what you speak clearly has all the depth of a Dixie cup.

You guys pretty much do nothing but sh*t on anything in these parts of the forums and have no respect for anybody working to solve this problem, so why don't you stop wasting your time here and go cry about being bald elsewhere instead?

 

[KO1]

So...they're "pretty confident". Welp, that settles it. Hairs are going to start growing anytime now.

 

[That Guy]

So...they're "pretty confident". Welp, that settles it. Hairs are going to start growing anytime now.

Nice job leaving out all the stuff before that.

You have no argument.

 

[hellouser]

I want to have my head Full of hair. Like I did before when I was 18

Only a fullhead could wear an outfit like that without looking like a try-hard loser.

 

[Stupidon]

LOL, why don't you ask to suck their c**** while you're at it? I could give 2 shots about how reputable or long-lasting a company is - pharma groups make plenty of bad investments.

And no, I'm not gonna claim histogens pics are photshopped - they're just downright bad results. Even a 100% increase doesn't mean sh*t when you start with the # of hairs those participants did.

And my bet re: Tsuji is based on history. Find one example of a company meeting its "best case" timeline. How long has it taken Follica to get to this point?

Oh he will learn with time, don't you worry. Some people just can't manage their expectations.

 

[resu]

I never had that packed folicular density to begin with.

Only a fullhead model could wear an outfit like that without looking like a try-hard loser.

Fixed.

 

[PrinceWilliamThe2nd]

I want to have my head Full of hair. Like I did before when I was 18

...so you can become a self-centered narcissist and post selfies of your "beautiful hair" taken at the holocaust memorial in Berlin?!

Even though this is the hard through, but when you go bald you definitely raise your self-awareness and become more reflected and know how to act in your distinct environment. And that can be considered a good thing!

I just really hope that if a treatment comes out that is a real simple cure for us, we all remember how much we suffered and actually act nicely to all the people around us and use our experiences of getting treated badly because of our thinning hair for a good cause.

 

[KO1]

"That Guy" joined this forum on July 2016, that explains it. This is what happens,
1) Hairloss sufferer joins forum depressed
2) Hairloss sufferer finds out about all these exciting treatments and gets excited
3) Hairloss sufferer believes it is only a matter of time before these treatments are released and he can get back his NW2 hairline
4) Years pass, and nothing is released, Hairloss sufferer becomes bitter, and sits around the forum complaining

 

[That Guy]

No, it is a very realistic comment.

Really? Saying that "there is little to no chance" despite almost all of things in the pipeline having clinical evidence that they do indeed work, saying that they are backed by "underperforming companies" when many are leaders in their field with a history of excellence and that the "smartest team" has "dermabrasion and minoxidil" which is patently false and apparently, that is the "smartest" team and not the one growing new hair out of friggin' stem cells. That's your idea of a "realistic" comment? A terribly uninformed one?

"That Guy" joined this forum on July 2016, that explains it. This is what happens,
1) Hairloss sufferer joins forum depressed
2) Hairloss sufferer finds out about all these exciting treatments and gets excited
3) Hairloss sufferer believes it is only a matter of time before these treatments are released and he can get back his NW2 hairline
4) Years pass, and nothing is released, Hairloss sufferer becomes bitter, and sits around the forum complaining

You're one of those geriatric cynics; that explains it.

Let me guess, you're bitter because you're afraid finasteride will make your dick fall off and actually bought into Bosley's 15 years ago and believed your crazy aunt that rat piss cured hairloss?

I don't need to get my NW2 hairline back, since that's what I currently have and seem to be maintaining because I'm not afraid of conventional treatments. With a hair transplant, I'll be NW1 again.

Yet, I'm actually capable of reading the science and the studies and realizing that these scientists are actually on to something and that there has never been a point in history as promising for hairloss as this is.

You know why? Because I don't have an IQ that doubles as a shoe size.

 

[Xander94]

Do you guys think brotzu will atleast completely stop the loss? I dont think its worth for me to start finasteride. If brotzu stops the loss then minoxidil will gradually make us regain all lost ground. And im perfectly fine with staying in my current condition for 3-4 years until the final cure.

 

[That Guy]

Do you guys think brotzu will atleast completely stop the loss? I dont think its worth for me to start finasteride. If brotzu stops the loss then minoxidil will gradually make us regain all lost ground. And im perfectly fine with staying in my current condition for 3-4 years until the final cure.

Well Xander, that's a fantastic question.

I'd say it's quite possible given that this is supported by numerous studies that show equol binds to DHT and DGLA is a powerful vasodilator; these happen to be the active ingredients in FIDIA's developing product which they purchased from the good doctor whose clinical findings can be read in "The Dermatologist" journal.

However, as we've learned in this thread, we can't trust that science sh*t, so you'd better get on finasteride and start growin' out those man titties right now because even in 2050 there will be nothing you can do.

 

[Xander94]

Well Xander, that's a fantastic question.

I'd say it's quite possible given that this is supported by numerous studies that show equol binds to DHT and DGLA is a powerful vasodilator; these happen to be the active ingredients in FIDIA's developing product which they purchased from the good doctor whose clinical findings can be read in "The Dermatologist" journal.

However, as we've learned in this thread, we can't trust that science sh*t, so you'd better get on finasteride and start growin' out those man titties right now because even in 2050 there will be nothing you can do.

Thanks for the answer I have faith in doctor brotzu I have waited for a year for this what is another 3 months?

 

[KO1]

No im not geriatric nor do I think finasteride will make my dick fall off. #dut4lyfe

With respect to my IQ, what makes you so bright? why don't you post your resume, and we'll compare.

See, unlike you who is in awe of "head of penn dermatology!" "Famous cosmetics company!" Some of us actually have looked into the science, and understand there are significant challenges. You, I'm afraid don't have the horsepower. Follica results have disappointed, Replicel is a joke, Histogen has been promising this for 7+ years, and their science poorly understood. Tsuji has a lot to prove.

Oh dear, you've also fallen for Brotzu!

Maybe I will start selling KO lotion and you can excitedly rub it on your head.

 

[KO1]

male pattern baldness research is a clownshow. Follica and ari were the only smart teams, and they've struggled badly. No legitimate Pharma company has invested here apart from Kythera...I'm sure That Guy knows better though.

Shiseido is a cosmetics firm, not exactly a powerhouse in drug development.

 

[That Guy]

No im not geriatric nor do I think finasteride will make my dick fall off. #dut4lyfe

With respect to my IQ, what makes you so bright? why don't you post your resume, and we'll compare.

See, unlike you who is in awe of "head of penn dermatology!" "Famous cosmetics company!" Some of us actually have looked into the science, and understand there are significant challenges. You, I'm afraid don't have the horsepower. Follica results have disappointed, Replicel is a joke, Histogen has been promising this for 7+ years, and their science poorly understood. Tsuji has a lot to prove.

Oh dear, you've also fallen for Brotzu!

Maybe I will start selling KO lotion and you can excitedly rub it on your head.

You have not looked into the science; your ignorance regarding basic concepts and information proves as much.

Tsuji has hardly anything left to prove, honestly. If the epithelial cell culturing problem is solved, there is little doubt this will work. Consider that Jahoda successfully grew new follicles in a human in the late 90s using a method not nearly as sophisticated as Tsuji.

male pattern baldness research is a clownshow. Follica and ari were the only smart teams, and they've struggled badly. No legitimate Pharma company has invested here apart from Kythera...I'm sure That Guy knows better though.

Shiseido is a cosmetics firm, not exactly a powerhouse in drug development.

Good thing they're not developing a drug then, hey KO1?

Your earlier statement about Shiseido remains as untrue as ever. They are a tremendously successful company and, much like other cosmetics firms like L'Oreal, it is in their best interest to invest this kind of science as it is completely relevant to their business. Are you going to tell me L'Oreal is an "underperforming company" too? The biggest cosmetics company in the world couldn't figure it out because they're not "pharma"?

You think you're so intelligent, but it's obvious to anyone reading this who isn't huffing glue that you simply don't know wtf you're talking about. Literally all of your reasonings are based on logical fallacies (correlation = causation, genetic fallacy, etc.)

If you think everything is going to fail and sucks, then shut your bald *** up and go be bald and just f*****g deal with it. If I could make it so that people like you could be banned from even getting a transplant, I would.

 

[Folliman]

 

[KO1]

My my That Guy is a real angry dude. Delusional, ignorant, and an Internet tough guy. "If the epithelial culturing problem is solved" (no kidding).

So, I eagerly await you analysis on why Follica will succeed, despite the fact that a) they've failed clinical trials b) the topical they need don't exist. I'm guessing "something something Penn dermatology".

Shiseido is a cosmetics firm that has pretty much zero expertise in drug (or even biologic development). They are not the smart money, so you have something in common.