Baldness prevalence in young people

[GlasgowCelt]

I've had a healthy life never ate junk food while growing up got plenty of excercise, never smoked or did drugs. And yet I experienced very early and very agressive m.p.b. I believe its 99% genetics.

What are you on about s.a.f? you look great in that pic!

 

[slowburn]

The thought of 5 year bald boys is sending shivers down my spine as we speak.
Maybe the balder a person is, the smarter they are. Maybe it's a sign of intelligence. With the advent of the Internet, there are some pretty smart *** kids out there. Hmmm.... :dunno: :jackit:

 

[astral week]

oh sh*t, jayman's back.

but anyway it seems unreasonable to assume that men are balding any earlier now than they were 10, 20, 50 years ago. All I know is that ever since i realized I'm losing it, I'm quite aware of other young men losing it.

mind's eye, baby.

 

[cal]

For many years there was a vague "feeling in the air" that girls were hitting puberty earlier than ever before. But it was hotly debated becuase science just couldn't understand any mechanism to explain it so the suspicion was not taken seriously for a long time.

Before the puberty thing was proven, that debate sounded a hell of a lot like the debate the male pattern baldness community is having about male hair loss rates:


"How could something genetic like that be altered so fast?"

"Maybe diet is playing a role but we can't seem to produce any specific causative evidence of it."

"Maybe it's just our perceptions because 'kids these days are growing up so fast' in the cutural sense. "

"We shouldn't even believe & study this nonsense. It doesn't make any sense at all that it could happen."

"Of course there's no proof. Could we even gather much decent long-term proof of this if we wanted to?"

 

[phish]

yea i mean genetics are gentics but there are certain things one could do to accelerate their hair loss like steroids, prohormones. kids nowadays are taking tons of test boosters in forms of steroids and supplements is it that hard to believe todays men in their 20s that are supplementing with steroids are losing their hair quicker? if you compare todays 20 year olds to their fathers in the 1960s and 70s where steroids weren't as wide spread as they are today, its easy to see why they are balding quicker then their fathers. If i had to guess id say 4 outa 10 men in their 20s have takeing steroids or are on steroids right now in the north east especially the ny/nj area. In club areas id say its as high as 8 outa 10 men.

 

[Pondle]

I doubt that steroid abuse is as widespread as you contend (40%). I don't know anyone who admits to it, although I'm a regular gym user and I know a few guys who play semi-pro rugby. However, as the news story below says, there may be many 'hidden' users.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports ... oids2.html
http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/re ... /2/195.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6673449.stm

 

[phish]

I doubt that steroid abuse is as widespread as you contend (40%). I don't know anyone who admits to it, although I'm a regular gym user and I know a few guys who play semi-pro rugby. However, as the news story below says, there may be many 'hidden' users.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports ... oids2.html
http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/re ... /2/195.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6673449.stm

certainly not all over the world is that 40 percent figure correct but if you go to bars and gyms in nyc nj area in amercia it will be close to accurate. there is a lot of guys in 20s taking steroids or done steroids in my area. If you went to any north nj club or nyc club you will be shocked how many guys are over 220lbs and ripped. The average guy in bar is about 200lbs in my area there is no way in hell guys were that big 30 years ago on average, my dad was 160lbs when he wus my age 22 and was considered normal, im 225lbs.

 

[lucy923]

Do you guys think that roids can greatly speed up the balding process?? I have a buddy who juiced at 26 and at the time he had zero hairloss and had very thck hair. He actually ran two cycles before this with no hairloss and on the 3rd cycle he lost tons of hair and it became noticeable. All of the genetics in his family regarding hairloss were good and the worst case scenario was his dad and he didn't start to lose his hair until his 40's. Could juice actually speed up the process so much that it started his balding almost 15 years before it was going to happen?? Or could it have been that he was already balding slowly before the juice and the juice sped it up??

 

[phish]

Do you guys think that roids can greatly speed up the balding process?? I have a buddy who juiced at 26 and at the time he had zero hairloss and had very thck hair. He actually ran two cycles before this with no hairloss and on the 3rd cycle he lost tons of hair and it became noticeable. All of the genetics in his family regarding hairloss were good and the worst case scenario was his dad and he didn't start to lose his hair until his 40's. Could juice actually speed up the process so much that it started his balding almost 15 years before it was going to happen?? Or could it have been that he was already balding slowly before the juice and the juice sped it up??

depends on the dosage and how prone the person is to hairloss. a high dosage of sumtin like 1000mg of test with no dht blocker and sum one prone to hairloss could prob do 10 years of damage to their hair in 2 months. science has come a long way though today bodybuilders can run up to 500mg -100mg of test along wit .5mg of avodart and not lose a single hair.

 

[lucy923]

I believe he was stacking 30 mg of dtabs/day with 350 mg Trenbolone Enanthate/week. This really doesn't seem too harsh but you never know I guess. Would finasteride/dutasteride help on this cycle?

 

[phish]

I believe he was stacking 30 mg of dtabs/day with 350 mg Trenbolone Enanthate/week. This really doesn't seem too harsh but you never know I guess. Would finasteride/dutasteride help on this cycle?

yes but its wise to just stick to test cycles 500mg or less with .5mg of avodart if your prone to hair lose.

 

[lucy923]

Phish,

Do you think in my buddies case that he was already losing hair and just didn't notice it or do you think the juice started his male pattern baldness if he was destined to start balding in say like 10 years?? Just curious to whether or not juice can actually kickstart male pattern baldness or not.

 

[phish]

yea he prob had slight thinning that no one could really see but when you have your test levels 500 times the levels they are supose to be like most steroids do its going to accelerate male pattern baldness a sh*t load if your prone to it and dont have protection. if your gona take steroids your best best is just sticking to test only cycles no higher then 500 mg. most people useing .5mg of avodart and start it a month b4 they take steroids and run avodart throughout cycle and month after should be able to stop any hairloss. if you go onto bodybuilding forums many report taking avodart and high test cycles and not losing any hair, but if they just use finasteride still lose some. i think its because on dutasteride once its in your system a good month will reduce your type 2 dht by 98.5 while finasteride only blocking 85 percent. those extra percent i believe to be crucial when your throwing a ton a test in your system.

 

[lucy923]

thanks again brotha....do you think someone that is in the early stages of male pattern baldness can run a test cycle along with the big 3 and not lose any hair if say like 350mg/week?? I just wonder too how much better my buddies hair would have looked if he didn't run that last cycle. Like I said the first two cycles did no visible damage even though he could have been thinning and didn't notice it yet.

 

[phish]

yea at that dosage of test dutasteride will have no problem. along with the big 3 youll be more then fine. if your hairloss is early and you havent started rogaine foam yet id use topical spironolactone 5 percent instead of rogaine. keep the nizoral but you wont need the rogaine if you havent lost any yet.

 

[lucy923]

Ok so it he's on finasteride/nizoral/foam right now would it be wise for him to buy some generic dutasteride and take it a month before and after this cycle along with adding spironolactone during the cycle also?? Also, why do you think he had no hairloss the first 2 cycles and then got hit hard on the 3rd cycle. The only difference is there was tren on the last cycle which wasn't part of the first 2 cycles.

 

[Obsidian]

While I think it is going up, it is not a widespread thing. I mean we all experience some hair loss in our twenties but most never notice while some of us who do (we people on here) freak out. Still it does worry you when I see my friend who has done numerous drugs and lives ten times more unhealthy than me (except for stress, he has that WAY undeer control) and at age still has his mature hairline. While this kid at my college is only a year or two younger than me (I'm 21) and already has something around a NW4. :freaked:

Still i'm ready to say genetics is the main cause and lifestyle choices can speed it up but not in everyone. I mean I should be an NW3 or 4 because my Grandpa on my Mothers side was almost bald by then.

Also the thing about hair loss in hispanics...Not true. My Dad is fulled blood hispanic and he started experience diffuse hair loss around his late 40's. It is still slow but it is a lot more noticable in a bright light (mid 50's) and his Dad only has thin wisps (He's 82 and always has a beer and cigarette in his hand). While yes they retained their juvenile hairlines, saying they are not succeptible to baldness is lie, everyone is.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Obsidian, I think at least what I have seen, most Hispanics are pretty much safe until their late 40's and early 50's from male pattern baldness but they do start to thin diffusely like you said but that is considered senile alopecia which is not considered the same thing as early male pattern baldness. At age 40, 40 percent of people in that age group will show some signs of thinning that will increase as they get older. By age 50, that same group will have 50 percent of the people in that age group show signs of thinning and so on. Some genetically blessed people will still maintain a nice full head of hair like Ronald Reagan or Regis Philbin. But as you pointed out, it is true as we age we all will experience diffuse thinning to certain levels. Some will have minor while others have major diffuse thinning.

 

[RAKBS]

I've been saying for ages that diet has an effect on hair loss...even with healthy diets, people who are genetically prone to hair loss will lose their hair, but I imagine that this would occur later in life and at a slower pace.

Western diets these days have replaced pastured meat, organ meats, real dairy, and properly prepared grains; with soy substitutes, pasteurized skimmed dariy, grain-fed muscle meat, vegetable oils, and refined flour. Calorie intake is on the rise and exercise and sunlight exposure has dropped. Defiencies in Vitamin A, Vitamin D, fatty acids, and minerals are occuring much more often, contributing to early puberty, obesity, myopia, acne, the need for dental braces, and, of course, early onset hair loss.

Some would say that some people are just genetically inclined to lose their hair at 13 (like me). But personally I think there's a big difference between someone who loses their hair at 21 and someone who loses it at 50.

 

[slowburn]

I've been saying for ages that diet has an effect on hair loss...even with healthy diets, people who are genetically prone to hair loss will lose their hair, but I imagine that this would occur later in life and at a slower pace.

Western diets these days have replaced pastured meat, organ meats, real dairy, and properly prepared grains; with soy substitutes, pasteurized skimmed dariy, grain-fed muscle meat, vegetable oils, and refined flour. Calorie intake is on the rise and exercise and sunlight exposure has dropped. Defiencies in Vitamin A, Vitamin D, fatty acids, and minerals are occuring much more often, contributing to early puberty, obesity, myopia, acne, the need for dental braces, and, of course, early onset hair loss.

Some would say that some people are just genetically inclined to lose their hair at 13 (like me). But personally I think there's a big difference between someone who loses their hair at 21 and someone who loses it at 50.

This is the most likely scenario.