Confidence And Charisma More Important Than Hair?

[hairblues]

It's so funny, I gave my friends girlfriend a light grilling on the subject. We got on the subject by talking about halloween costumes and I said I wanted to shave my head and go as Heisenberg. Then they said I should do it, and asked if I want to. I said shaving my head is on my bucket list (it is). After that we got onto the topic of my buddy and his hair and I said it's too long and it's time to cut it (its like 2 feet long and he's got the stupid man bun thing). Anyway, they then said I should shave it and I might look good bald, to which I said hell no, no way, baldness does not look good... they objected, LOL. His girlfriend said her dad is bald and has been since he was 19. I said 'Bald at 19?! God damn, what a sexual death sentence.' They objected again, LOL, saying its not a sexual death sentence. I said 'Ok, so... why isn't baldness in a womans prince charming list?' They didnt understand. So I said 'You know...a woman's prince charming list, things she likes in a guy; chiseled jaw, broad shoulders, ripped 6-pack abs..... and... BALDNESS?' They again objected, saying its not about looks and she said its not a big deal that baldness in a guy wouldnt bother her. So I asked 'Oh yeah? How many bald men have you dated?'

ZERO.

They still had problems with this and said... get this.... *I* was the one fixated on looks... LMFAO!!!! Jesus christ... what I would give to be so f*****g ignorant on the matter and never have to worry about this kind of sh*t simply because I won the genetic lottery... these people have it REALLY good.

They just dont know...I never knew how bad hair loss was for men until i came here.

 

[CopeForLife]

I see bucky and hellouser are on the breakdown... Stay strong guys.

I was in australian (Chad's) bar. Thats f*****g lol like I was on male models casting. Everyone is at least 7/10 young big framed, tall, NW0 with chiseled jawlines, angular faces with a lot of bone masses. Never saw like this before. There were literally 9/10 like 30%.

I saw australian chicks most of them are obese ugly with a lot of make up still they went to f*** with 7.5+ drunk Chads.

There were a few very attractive slim girls (one was a wh*** tho) guess what? They drunk and approached average tall autistic non confident guys (one was ginger with curly hair) despite there were models everywhere (f*****g elite surfing genetics). Or they were sitting alone.

But let's speak about norwooding observations.

There were like 100 mostly young guys and only one jacked tall with 6.5 face baldcel.

My trained eye catched his cueball from 50 meters outside but when he came inside he pulled a hat

All the time he was staying almost alone and tried to communicate albeit his movements were clumsy but the only one interaction of him I saw was a gem.

I was staying nearly so could hear a conversation. Old short men with amazing thick grey NW2 like 55-60 years old and handsome face approached him they knew each other before. The first thing he said after he pointed to a baldcel's hat was like "haha today you wear a hat", cueball's face went red, he touched his hat and mumbled something. I think that evening was ruined for a bald guy.

 

[CopeForLife]

btw I see tall big framed op with 7.5+ face talks about confidence

nice mate but next time try better

 

[Assemblage23]

Confidence and charisma matter. They come from various qualities: hairline, density, quality, color...of your hair!

 

[F2005]

Went out for lunch today with a couple friends.... had to listen to them tell me looks dont matter much.

Both are really good looking people themselves, LOL.

And let me just take a wild guess (sarcastic), these 2 friends both had full heads of hair. It's really so unbelievable how fullheads do not even understand the true importance of looks, particularly because their looks were never compromised. Like my 80s rock boys Cinderella sing "you don't know what you got til it's gone".

And to the OP, with all due respect........why did you invest the time and money to get a hair transplant and get on Propecia if you think that confidence and charisma are so important?

 

[Rudiger]

Some observations from me:

1) The people are who giving the scores are in an artificial situation that is an imperfect analogue to the real world. They don't have anything to go on besides the person's words. In a real-life context you will have more to go on: the person's tone of voice, articulation, body language, physical presence et.c. These will heavily influence the perceived quality of the person's personality.
2) Most people will describe themselves in a rather neutral way, so more likely than not personality here is a constant.
3) We have talked a lot about the halo effect here, in the sense that those who are attractive will be considered funnier, more intelligent et.c. It is worth noting that the halo effect also works in reverse. So those that are funny, intelligent et.c. will be considered more attractive than those who aren't.

I don't think that graph is a slam dunk saying "looks are all that matter". All we can take from it is further evidence that there is an interplay between looks and personality and that they should not be viewed in isolation. It's a chicken and the egg thing. Bottom line is that for maximum effect you should work on both: make yourself more attractive and look for ways to enhance the interactions you have with others.

I know you believe strongly in the "red pill" of looks being highly important (and actually, so do I, but I don't believe to such an extent) so it's always refreshing when you keep a balanced view on these "concrete" findings.

The graph is certainly an indication of human nature, but I've alluded to the exact same things as you zircon, quite a while ago when it's been posted a few times before (that I've seen at least) and the point is that online dating is a meat market.

When it comes to interests, in the last decade or so the prevalence of the internet in our lives has lead to some incredibly esoteric interests among most people. Trying to find more than 1 thing in common with someone is much more of a task than it used to be, and because we're all aware of the endless capabilities the internet gives us, we expect each other to have individual pursuits and interests, if something is too broad based and mainstream it feels like "yes we can talk about that a bit but who couldn't?".

So where does this leave us?

In my opinion interests are so diverse among people nowadays that it's no longer a persons interest that holds our own, it's their passion for it, it's the diverse and open mindedness they may have for holding these different passions, and the possibility that they could hold yours.

This sort of importance doesn't ring true in a 3 line blurb in black and white on a dating site, it doesn't represent how a person is, the easier option is to look at them and make a snap decision.

 

[resu]

I don't know why a bald young guy would try online dating, he would get slaughtered. Online is great for women because they get a ton of messages and likes which in turn makes them confidence as their ego rises, they get to pick and choose and I've seen some local women even with kids get model like guys.

 

[N003]

When I read all the sh*t here i can not stop laughing about the stupidity of some user here.

I really advise you to go to a psychiatrist! + stay there for a long time.

 

[Roberto_72]

When I read all the sh*t here i can not stop laughing about the stupidity of some user here.

I really advise you to go to a psychiatrist! + stay there for a long time.

You know that affirming others are crazy for having a different opinion than yours is not helping the cause of your opinion, don't you?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Even if confidence were more important than hair it would not negate the importance of hair.

 

[N003]

Explain.

I'm not sure if this a hairloss forum where guys discuss about solutions (hair transplant toupee etc) for the problem, or a women forum where women always compare with other women from the hollywood world or celebrities.

It's ok if you are a 16 old teenager where the penis is still grows and your personality is still insecure and still not
development.

It's ok if you post pictures of model guys and how amazing their lives is , how perfect their face is, how amazing their hair is, how many girls they f*** every minute and that all women arround this little f*****g world just want this guy....when you are 16.

But if a MAN after 25+ years still post this sh*t then is something really not ok with his personality + brain.

 

[resu]

I'm not sure if this a hairloss forum where guys discuss about solutions (hair transplant toupee etc) for the problem, or a women forum where women always compare with other women from the hollywood world or celebrities.

It's ok if you are a 16 old teenager where the penis is still grows and your personality is still insecure and still not
development.

It's ok if you post pictures of model guys and how amazing their lives is , how perfect their face is, how amazing their hair is, how many girls they f*** every minute and that all women arround this little f*****g world just want this guy....when you are 16.

But if a MAN after 25+ years still post this sh*t then is something really not ok with his personality + brain.

Maybe before the advent of online social networks but these days where looks matter more than ever thanks to instragram, online dating and all other online networks it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. Many women at 30 these days are very infantile, I've met some that still had the mentality of a 16 year old girl.

 

[N003]

Maybe before the advent of online social networks but these days where looks matter more than ever thanks to instragram, online dating and all other online networks it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. Many women at 30 these days are very infantile, I've met some that still had the mentality of a 16 year old girl.

I never used online dating and wtf is instagram? Self-presentation websites like instagram etc is not my world

I prefer the reality Clubs, bar, travel or the streets.

 

[tellersquill]

I'm not sure beauty and confidence always correlates.

I have a lot of beautiful female friends and some of them have very low confidence.

One of them who is an 8 and has an eating disorder goes out with a 4 emo boy because she knows he's loyal.

 

[hairblues]

I'm not sure beauty and confidence always correlates.

I have a lot of beautiful female friends and some of them have very low confidence.

One of them who is an 8 and has an eating disorder goes out with a 4 emo boy because she knows he's loyal.

this is true unfortunately a lot of women have low self esteem and its not a 4 vs an 8 guy in looks--but they tend to go out with men who dont treat them nicely aka emotionally abusive.

An a**h** is an a**h** weather a 4 or an 8 if they have abusive personality they will find an insecure girl weather a she's hot or not.
And assholes are confident unfortunately

this is reverse as well i know at least one couple the girl is not really attractive (not ugly) with ugly personality and the guy is very good looking and a sweetheart but I know he was abused as a kid i saw it once and i think that abused people are familiar with someone treating them badly.

 

[tellersquill]

True, its funny you should mention that because even though he isn't attractive he is a dick to her.

He's even cheated on her and she took him back.

 

[hairblues]

True, its funny you should mention that because even though he isn't attractive he is a dick to her.

He's even cheated on her and she took him back.

Well shitty people are usually highly confident lol.

 

[resu]

I never used online dating and wtf is instagram? Self-presentation websites like instagram etc is not my world

I prefer the reality Clubs, bar, travel or the streets.

I don't use any of that either but many do and it molds current culture whether you like it or not.

 

[hairblues]

I don't use any of that either but many do and it molds current culture whether you like it or not.

i think men are held to a higher standard of looks than 20 to 30 years ago for 20-35 year olds.
and i think they are still held to same standards of other areas of life such as independent, education etc.

I dont know if with younger women if their livelihoods matter or not--my generation of men dont give a sh*t other than basic things if a man is educated he prefers educated fits in with his life etc.
but for most part its more about attraction physical and mental/personality.
But from what David said he says his generation cares about women being equal financials and level status of work.
for most Gen X men this is not a concern i think.
Not saying a corporate lawyer is going to marry a bartender--although one just popped in my head when i wrote this lol.

 

[tellersquill]

Hairblues, I think career and income matters less to younger generations.

I know a late thirties woman who earns well over £60,000 per year who recently married a 29 year old newly qualified nurse. Money wasn't that important in her decision - they fell in love for other reasons beyond the amount of pennies he has.

I also do okay with women and I have very little cash but am good company and okay looking. A lot of women have told me they prefer intelligence though (and that often comes with money - although not so much with me as of yet!)