Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[I'mme]

[Theory - High level broscience]

See the image attached below.

There are way too many stories/anecdotes with many people stating how Finasteride and Dutasteride wrecked their hairline and/or increased their Hair loss(hair loss). We can say almost every one goes through the shed.

I think this happens because both finasteride as well as dutasteride increases Testosterone. dutasteride increases it way more than finasteride and this explains why there's more stories of hairline degradation by Duta.
But this theory leaves us wanting, for it doesn't explain why does hair loss stabilize as the time passes on finasteride/dutasteride. Could it be because testosterone comes back to natural levels? Or is there any other reason... Consider that both (finasteride and dutasteride) start working (inhibiting 5aris thus DHT) almost immediately but results are generally seen after 6 months and those too aren't any astonishing either.

 

[bridgeburn]

Minimize red meat. Red meat can cause inflammation.

Red meat contains saturated fats which raise cholesterol and your chances of developing cardiovascular disease, its also thought to be carcinogenic and increase the rate of cancer in humans (possibly just processed red meat but i don't know).

"They found that each 50-gram portion of processed meat - which primarily includes pork or beef - consumed daily increases the risk of colorectal cancer by 18 percent."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/315449.php

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(15)00444-1/fulltext

It also boosts TMAO (more so than white meat)

 

[Ikarus]

[Theory - High level broscience]

See the image attached below.

There are way too many stories/anecdotes with many people stating how Finasteride and Dutasteride wrecked their hairline and/or increased their Hair loss(hair loss). We can say almost every one goes through the shed.

I think this happens because both finasteride as well as dutasteride increases Testosterone. dutasteride increases it way more than finasteride and this explains why there's more stories of hairline degradation by Duta.
But this theory leaves us wanting, for it doesn't explain why does hair loss stabilize as the time passes on finasteride/dutasteride. Could it be because testosterone comes back to natural levels? Or is there any other reason... Consider that both (finasteride and dutasteride) start working (inhibiting 5aris thus DHT) almost immediately but results are generally seen after 6 months and those too aren't any astonishing either.

I agree. Although, I additionally believe 5AR inhibitors eventually stop working because they begin to build a sensitivity to testosterone as a whole. 5AR inhibitors are a partial solution, and do work somewhat nicely for people but it’s not a solution for hair loss. Those who don’t respond to 5AR inhibitors must have an early-onset sensitivity to androgens, which is an unideal but common situation. Apparently your sensitivity to androgens builds up as you get older, which could explain why particular people see great results by just blocking the more ‘powerful’ form of testosterone until they get older. I see 5AR inhibitors as bait to become bald, because you are increasing your testosterone levels whilst you are becoming more sensitive to the effects of androgens as you get older.

 

[bridgeburn]

Have you ever had your hormone levels checked since being on your current regimen? Super curious if there's a sweet spot between E and T that you managed to hit.

no, I avoid doctors.. I'm not as rational in real life as I appear online ^^

 

[Ikarus]

no, I avoid doctors.. I'm not as rational in real life as I appear online ^^

You should request a blood test for your hormones, just to see... And, because it would be funny if they saw that your testosterone levels were almost nullified and your estrogen levels were within female ranges without knowing you’re on medications lmao... you should tell them that you have been drinking a lot of soy milk and oatmeal lol

 

[bridgeburn]

True in most circumstances. Except I grew up with conservative christian parents who judge gay/trans people and also went to a religious school. And now I'm taking HRT and my views couldn't be any further from my upbringing, lol.

I was in the same situation, they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree but this can't be applied to everyone because there are going to be people who are naturally completely different in all aspects from their parents, and in some cases, using myself as an example, people who take hallucinogens are able to break free from their upbringings and all the beliefs they were taught as a kid and go down their own path without the environmental influences of their upbringing.

negative associations, even if they were once positive, still count. opposites create each other. like sticking your thumb on the end of a water hose, it builds up pressure then bursts out stronger.. I was horrible and demonic right after losing religion, cause I could "sin" and steal and not give a sh*t about anyone but myself without chains of guilt. Now, I've calmed down and believe in balance.

 

[bridgeburn]

You should request a blood test for your hormones, just to see... And, because it would be funny if they saw that your testosterone levels were almost nullified and your estrogen levels were within female ranges without knowing you’re on medications lmao... you should tell them that you have been drinking a lot of soy milk and oatmeal lol

well, I live in Japan so I probably do eat more soy than most Lol... oatmeal is estrogenic? never heard that

 

[bridgeburn]

How about mixing it in minoxidil and apply directly on the scalp? I don't want it to go systemic. Although, using it on the scalp would have some systemic effect, but the follicles would be at saturation; hence, 0.75 mg would be enough.

just use estrogel and min seperately on thier own.. its easier, we can't predict how all the alcohols, PG, and components will react

 

[bridgeburn]

There are way too many stories/anecdotes with many people stating how Finasteride and Dutasteride wrecked their hairline and/or increased their Hair loss(hair loss).

they would have went bald anyway, regardless of finasteride/dutasteride..

But this theory leaves us wanting, for it doesn't explain why does hair loss stabilize as the time passes on finasteride/dutasteride

they often don't stabilize and lose hair again later.

finasteride and dutasteride are candy. they are important but should be used in a combination

 

[Ikarus]

well, I live in Japan so I probably do eat more soy than most Lol... oatmeal is estrogenic? never heard that

Yes! It’s estrogenic, although minimally... Living in Japan must be fun! Asian people have such great hair...

 

[bridgeburn]

Yes! It’s estrogenic, although minimally... Living in Japan must be fun! Asian people have such great hair...

its not fun to be around great hair people when you are balding!

but yes its fun, high lifespan too :

 

[I'mme]

they would have went bald anyway, regardless of finasteride/dutasteride..

they often don't stabilize and lose hair again later.

finasteride and dutasteride are candy. they are important but should be used in a combination

Would this shed not happen and hair loss stop if they take finasteride/dutasteride with estrogen or Cypro? This way they would be lowering T as well.

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

[Theory - High level broscience]

See the image attached below.

There are way too many stories/anecdotes with many people stating how Finasteride and Dutasteride wrecked their hairline and/or increased their Hair loss(hair loss). We can say almost every one goes through the shed.

An FDA approved drug meant to prevent hair loss wouldn't cause you to lose more hair. However, initially, they can increase shedding, but it wouldn't be dramatic.

But this theory leaves us wanting, for it doesn't explain why does hair loss stabilize as the time passes on finasteride/dutasteride. Could it be because testosterone comes back to natural levels? Or is there any other reason... Cons,ider that both (finasteride and dutasteride) start working (inhibiting 5aris thus DHT) almo.st immediately but results are generally seen after 6 months and those too aren't any astonishing either.

Even at a very young age, I never stabilised on find/duta, but they slowed down my balding process significantly.

 

[Ikarus]

An FDA approved drug meant to prevent hair loss wouldn't cause you to lose more hair. However, initially, they can increase shedding, but it wouldn't be dramatic.



Even at a very young age, I never stabilised on find/duta, but they slowed down my balding process significantly.

Looking at the FDAs approved sunscreen filters, I don’t care about what they say... Something being FDA approved shouldn’t mean anything!

 

[bridgeburn]

Would this shed not happen and hair loss stop if they take finasteride/dutasteride with estrogen or Cypro? This way they would be lowering T as well.

the shed might happen, but they would have much more chance of getting past it

 

[Capone]

One other thing. Sorry guys for posting so much here. But what I am about to share will be insightful to some...

My hair loss story: It all started when I took 4 scoops of that shitty Whey Protein Isolate called About Time. I was taking that 5 days per week for about 2 years.

I literally escalated male pattern baldness at a very young ripe age of 24. After spending 5 years in isolation and devoting myself to research, I finally was able to connect the dots scientifically.

Whey protein isolate is a by product of dairy. It is a supplement that will significantly alter your hormones causing more serum IGF-1 (bad for hair): ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21590739

It will also lower IGFBP-3 (good for hair): ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10827403, and decelerate testosterone, SHBG, and raise DHT via an uptike in cortisol.

male pattern baldness probably would've happened for me at a later age (maybe late 30s or 40s). I know it for a fact because my dad had a full head of hair until his early 40s. My brother (who's 1.9 years older than me) has a full head of hair.

So I pretty much hacked into my hormones and escalated hair loss at a young age.

Because of this hellish journey, I despise dairy. Dairy is the culprit for most diseases (celiac, inflammation, hair loss, cancer, diabetes, insulin resistance, IBS, etc.)

Our bodies weren't mean to ingest sex hormones from another species. There is compelling data substantiating how many hormones are contained in dairy (prolactin, cortisol, DHEA, androgens etc.) let alone the carcinogenic properties <--- ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

Based on my experience, I want to ask ALL of YOU, why can't we shift our hormones in the other direction NATURALLY to reawaken dormant hairs? We all know, that once we lose our hair it's not doomsday. Dr. Cots. proved that balding scalps still have the same number of stem cells compared to non-balding counterparts.

It's because of this analysis and hardcore experience where I strongly feel one supplement (or a combination of synergy) can have the potential of regrowing your hair. No need to dermaroller, apply topicals, eat healthy, take cold showers, use a back inversion machine, DT, use a laser helment, etc.......

Just my two cents. What do you think?

Sugar and dairy.

 

[Capone]

Mate you have the basics wrong. Whey protein doesn't cause or accelerate male pattern baldness, creatine may.

If you're thinking that diet would do anything, you seriously need reconsider. Diet and Androgenetic Alopecia aren't related. Period. Most bodybuilders have the best of the best diet and most of them go bald. Why? Androgens. DHT sure is a culprit. So is Test. But there may be other androgens. Why I say so? Because Cypro has worked for everyone who has taken it.

I’m going to have to disagree, diet for me is massive. If I have a weekend of pizza and junk food, my scalp itches like crazy and the hairs literally jump off my scalp! Bad diet increases the androgen activity and causes more inflammation.

 

[Ikarus]

I’m going to have to disagree, diet for me is massive. If I have a weekend of pizza and junk food, my scalp itches like crazy and the hairs literally jump off my scalp! Bad diet increases the androgen activity and causes more inflammation.

I am bad with my diet... I love dairy and sugar so much! Although, I cut down the amount of sugar I consume... I can’t cut out dairy!

 

[itsyaboi]

Waittttttt I noticed that the estradiol that everyone is talking about here is Estrofem, did I f*** up by ordering Estradiol Valerate or can I get away with using that for the first 3 months because I really don’t wanna go through ordering another shipment from inhouse? :’)

 

[Ikarus]

Waittttttt I noticed that the estradiol that everyone is talking about here is Estrofem, did I f*** up by ordering Estradiol Valerate or can I get away with using that for the first 3 months because I really don’t wanna go through ordering another shipment from inhouse? :’)

Valerate is fine too, but that has be taken orally rather than sublingually/buccally. Valerate just has slower, but more consistent levels. But, next time you should opt for it as hemihydrate since it's safer. If you are from the UK, you should order it from Shesalady.