Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Ticken]

Oh, I also combine topical tretinoin with minoxidil when I apply it, which increased temple gains

Your hair is beautiful!!

May I ask, what percentage concentration of tretinoin you use? Do you have a tretinoin product that you recommend?

Also curious if you had any tips for applying the tretinoin and minoxidil? Tretinoin cream first and then wait a bit before applying Minoxidil or are you mixing the two together before applying?

 

[Yar]

Estradiol +spironolactone.shbg +estradiol=Excellent result

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Estradiol +spironolactone.shbg +estradiol=Excellent result

Any before or transition pics?

 

[Yar]

Какие-нибудь фотографии до или перехода?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Thank you. That gives us all hope since some claim the temples never grow back regardless. I don't know what your pronouns are but would be interested to know more about your journey

I just heard a guy on here today say that full HRT restorations were scarce so it's great to see third party confirmation.

Anyway, nice simple protocol of yours of two things and less is more....

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Your hair is beautiful!!

May I ask, what percentage concentration of tretinoin you use? Do you have a tretinoin product that you recommend?

Also curious if you had any tips for applying the tretinoin and minoxidil? Tretinoin cream first and then wait a bit before applying Minoxidil or are you mixing the two together before applying?

I have to double check but I think it's just .025% prescription cream that I get from my derm

I apply it only about a minute before applying minoxidil, so it's not like I really wait for it to dry. I've seen compounded minoxidil formulas that contain tretinoin, so I think it's fine to apply at same time

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I have to double check but I think it's just .025% prescription cream that I get from my derm

I apply it only about a minute before applying minoxidil, so it's not like I really wait for it to dry. I've seen compounded minoxidil formulas that contain tretinoin, so I think it's fine to apply at same time

If people look on /r/tretinoin, they mention using a variety of carriers so I have been using minoxidil plus Estrogel plus Retin-A above the neck.

 

[Yar]

Спасибо. Это вселяет в нас надежду, поскольку некоторые утверждают, что храмы никогда не вырастут снова. Я не знаю ваших местоимений, но мне было бы интересно узнать больше о вашем путешествии

Я только что слышал здесь одного парня, который сказал, что полных реставраций HRT было мало, так что приятно видеть стороннее подтверждение.

Во всяком случае, ваш хороший простой протокол, состоящий из двух вещей и меньше значит больше ....

В восстановлении волос важен такой маркер, как ШБГ и уровень эстрадиола в крови. При восстановлении кожи головы следует повышать ШБГ в женских справочниках, так как этот параметр напрямую влияет на уровень роста волос в андрогенной зоне Мне не удалось создать женские эталоны SHBG с пероральным прогестероном и эстрадиолом. Хотя это кажется возможным в исследованиях. Лучше спиронолактона нет никого!

 

[Derelict]

If people look on /r/tretinoin, they mention using a variety of carriers so I have been using minoxidil plus Estrogel plus Retin-A above the neck.

Cream seems to be gentler to skin than gel even if the same percentage, i get more of the sides like redness,peeling etc etc with gel so i stick to using cream 0.05%.

 

[ReturnOfExtreme]

Hey guys,

I really want to be serious and proactive against my hair loss, well, genes.

I noticed my hair getting thinner and thinner over the last years, but since a year or so, it gets pretty bad. And I started to shed a lot of hair since last year september and I got a pretty annoying itch and as well a mild seb. dermatitis.

Dont know what to do, I kept researching for a long time.

Also, I'm 17 1/2.

I started noticing thinning when I got into puberty.

Now the real part...
I always thought that finasteride is THE "CURE" when you catch it early bla bla ... the past time.

But in fact, it just slows down your thinning and halts the loss on mild male pattern baldness.

So whats the deal with male pattern baldness!?
It's ANDROGENetic Alopecia lol.

So you gotta stop androgens working, especially on the scalp. And now the real problem -> If you do that, you literally start transitioning. But I still want to stay "normal" and have a nice life, like all other people in my age. Suffering of this in a young age is just horrible.

To add something more: I noticed that my skin tissue all over my body is just pretty androgen sensitive: got a ton of body hair aka. monkey, pimples all over my body, epsecially forehead, back and shoulders, and overproduction of sebum, literally overproduction. My hair is feeling like it got toss in oil after 10hrs/ish of shower or a day and then it looks like I'm severly balding.

Side note: my family history is all about baldness lol. I'm actually doomed being bald. I knew I will be bald when I'm adult, but I never expected it starting within puberty.

My father started to lose hair in his late teens, starting from the crown/top/vertex, like I do now.

He was a NW7 by the age of 25.
And If I would shave my head, I feel like the horseshoe pattern would be clearly visible.

Also something to note: I'm all about hair styles and appearence, so I can't deal with being bald EVER.

Now...

What I want to do:

I already visited 4 derms, 2 family doctors, next week the andrology and soon the endocrinology, as the family doctor noticed my DHEA being TOOO high, like over the normal range.

Also, my E2 is reaching the peak zone of the normal range and my testosterone level the opposite, weird.

And oh yeah, its visible that I have a bit of a higher E2 (lol).

One doctor will already start to prescribe me Finasteride in April. But this won't be enough for me, I already know this, as I have aggressive male pattern baldness genes/hair loss.

So I came to the thought of adding bicalutamide 50mg + maybe spironolactone 100mg. And I really want to get regrowth. I want to avoid topicals, because it's just such a hassle for me. Also, I am okay with the side effects of being temporarily impotent, developing more gyno, and having a much younger look.

I never will have kids (dont want to spread my shitty genes), will get anyways gyno surgery (better than NW7 hair transplant) and I love the youthful look, I hate beards and the TOO masculine look. Cant believe that asian culture isn't still that much widespread.

My question is; can I experience regrowth/thickening or even just stopping further hair loss with that treatment and if I can use it as a long term solution (any experiences somebody!?). I am not transgender btw lol, I am asexual if somebody wants to know that.

Pic's: (the ones, were my hair looks kinda "wet" is made one day after shower lol)

I am really not in the mood to hear someone saying that I'm not balding, family members and friends are worrying for me... Pointing it out.

And no, I don't want to start taking E or actual HRT, that would be overkill for me, and not morally.

Thanks for reading and I would appreciate any reply, no, I want a reply, please!

I asked my friend who had bad hair loss too at your age, and he said that you should use 50mg of bicalutamide per day. 25mg is not enough, and that’s the dosage recommended for women. You should also use 2mg of estradiol per day, 1mg in the morning and 1mg at night. And, you should use 5mg of oral minoxidil per day.

 

[Nimos0651]

I asked my friend who had bad hair loss too at your age, and he said that you should use 50mg of bicalutamide per day. 25mg is not enough, and that’s the dosage recommended for women. You should also use 2mg of estradiol per day, 1mg in the morning and 1mg at night. And, you should use 5mg of oral minoxidil per day.

Has anyone seen success with that regimen? I heard that someone got full reversal with 50mg Bicalutamide 2mg estradiol. Is there any before and afters?

I just started 50mg spironolactone 1mg Estradiol .75mg estrogel ( I have been taking finasteride for 3 years and Oral minoxodil 5mg for 11 months)

 

[Derelict]

Has anyone seen success with that regimen? I heard that someone got full reversal with 50mg Bicalutamide 2mg estradiol. Is there any before and afters?

I just started 50mg spironolactone 1mg Estradiol .75mg estrogel ( I have been taking finasteride for 3 years and Oral minoxodil 5mg for 11 months)

One member who i know tried that regimen was ikarus, he had really bad hair loss for his age and had a brilliant recovery.

 

[Nimos0651]

One member who i know tried that regimen was ikarus, he had really bad hair loss for his age and had a brilliant recovery.

Is there any pictures of him before and after I am extremely curious.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Is there any pictures of him before and after I am extremely curious.

I saw somewhere a before picture and he was almost bald. Like literally... it was pretty bad, almost no hair, pretty thin, diffuse thinning. But I never saw an after picture. What I saw is a mid-treatment picture. Tbh he got a crazy feminization effect. Because of that I am concerned to take those harsh things. I want to still be a male, kinda, and pass as a male. Oof.

I mean, getting bica is already very hard for me, I just got finasteride. But Estradiol!?!? Never will be able to touch that...

Is it possible to get some regrowth with sufficient bica dose + finasteride? Or just maintenance for a good amount of time?

 

[Derelict]

I saw somewhere a before picture and he was almost bald. Like literally... it was pretty bad, almost no hair, pretty thin, diffuse thinning. But I never saw an after picture. What I saw is a mid-treatment picture. Tbh he got a crazy feminization effect. Because of that I am concerned to take those harsh things. I want to still be a male, kinda, and pass as a male. Oof.

I mean, getting bica is already very hard for me, I just got finasteride. But Estradiol!?!? Never will be able to touch that...

Is it possible to get some regrowth with sufficient bica dose + finasteride? Or just maintenance for a good amount of time?

I saw plenty of pictures on the old discord server, hard to remember because it was a while back but he had a brillaint recovery imo, so glad for him, bica and estradiol alone worked wonders, i think he still wasn't happy so added the 5mg oral min later on.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I saw plenty of pictures on the old discord server, hard to remember because it was a while back but he had a brillaint recovery imo, so glad for him, bica and estradiol alone worked wonders, i think he still wasn't happy so added the 5mg oral min later on.

Can you remember what other effects he got from his regimen, really interested. And also if he actually recovered back, to a NW1? And if he is still able to maintain. Oh, and can I get the Discord Link? Haha

I'm really sorry!

 

[Almas]

I asked my friend who had bad hair loss too at your age, and he said that you should use 50mg of bicalutamide per day. 25mg is not enough, and that’s the dosage recommended for women. You should also use 2mg of estradiol per day, 1mg in the morning and 1mg at night. And, you should use 5mg of oral minoxidil per day.

I started Bicalutamide 50mg + Finasteride. I don’t know what result I will get. I would like to get an increase in hair thickness, my temples do not have dead follicles, but the hair is very thin and does not fulfill its function, many are transparent
I'm trying to achieve an effect without causing strong feminization

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I asked my friend who had bad hair loss too at your age, and he said that you should use 50mg of bicalutamide per day. 25mg is not enough, and that’s the dosage recommended for women. You should also use 2mg of estradiol per day, 1mg in the morning and 1mg at night. And, you should use 5mg of oral minoxidil per day.

Good to see you posting again.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Has anyone seen success with that regimen? I heard that someone got full reversal with 50mg Bicalutamide 2mg estradiol. Is there any before and afters?

I just started 50mg spironolactone 1mg Estradiol .75mg estrogel ( I have been taking finasteride for 3 years and Oral minoxodil 5mg for 11 months)

I have posted @bridgeburn's two main protocol several times as two examples that we know work. It may be on this thread but I posted them a couple a days ago on the Hair is not Life thread. I have posted mine too but I don't want to be presumptuous.

"I just started 50mg spironolactone 1mg Estradiol .75mg estrogel ( I have been taking finasteride for 3 years and Oral minoxodil 5mg for 11 months)" This sounds pretty good and it should get you at least close to adult female target levels so I hope that is your goal.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I started Bicalutamide 50mg + Finasteride. I don’t know what result I will get. I would like to get an increase in hair thickness, my temples do not have dead follicles, but the hair is very thin and does not fulfill its function, many are transparent
I'm trying to achieve an effect without causing strong feminization

There's a mild debate about whether estrogen is needed for best results but we will follow your progress with interest. I am not certain that AA's are less feminizing by themselves than is estrogen but we don't really know because feminization is vague as a term. We know what average adult female target levels are but that will definitely feminize someone. I hope it works for you without estrogen but I should also that the MtF's generally only go 90 days, if that, without estrogen when using an AA.

Some physicians start patients off on say spironolactone for 90 days to purportedly re-set the axis which probably isn't necessary but that's the safe threshold before bone and mineral loss, iiuc.