Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

He was also horseshoe bald in his 20s however, like I said, if you did not have those issues when you were young in your late teens and 20s, all you're doing is setting back your hormonal clock.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

He was also horseshoe bald in his 20s however, like I said, if you did not have those issues when you were young in your late teens and 20s, all you're doing is setting back your hormonal clock.

Well. I don't expect you to remember my life history but I had a noticeable incipient bald spot that I noticed on my 20 birthday. I was on minoxidil the day it came out and the same for finasteride. Why do you think that I tout them so much. They saved my life and I was very fortunate to not have been born even five years earlier or I would be a horseshoe.

Now, I have posted my before pics and yeah, compared to most of you had no cause to complain but eh dermatitis and all of that but I probably just wanted to be female and so did he. I was a horseshoe for several months and posted three pics of my bald head yesterday so I have paid my dues. Plus to even things out, remember my hairline as Jane is either perfect or I stay in the wig. You can just improve a lot and be fine. I had to find a way to be perfect. So, yeah, I am coming back from horseshoe baldness the last 18 months and you have seen what I have regrown so far. Some people never recover from sheds so I still think my story is an interesting one and a viable path for some to find happiness but mostly I just want folks not to suffer the pain and stigma.

 

[Yar]

I used not only spironolactone in the treatment of hair, but also progesterone.Progesterone also UPS the protein of the liver in research on women.Progesterone helps restore the female cycle of hormone production.In the first phase, they produce estradiol from day 1-14,and in the second phase, from day 14-28, they produce estradiol with progesterone.These two components raise the liver protein thereby regulating the amount of androgens in the blood.If a woman gets problems with the cycle, there is a violation of the second phase of the cycle of progesterone production, then she gets hirsutism,alopecia of the scalp, weight.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Which means that both you and bridgeburn require an amount of estrogen commensurate to the level of harm testosterone had done to your hair and at the relative magnitude for your age.

I had a luxurious head of hair right up until I was about 25, and then something happened, and then something -really- happened, as in life trauma and a lot of stress around 26-27 and I lost a lot of hair. But I also gained it back to the levels that I was at in my 20s.

So, the amount of estrogen I will require to offset whatever is going on, and the level of androgen inhibition I will require to get me back to a state of hair density that I want won't require measures as drastic.

Like I said, for me at least, it's all about dialing back the clock. I couldn't even grow a f*****g moustache at age 24, but I also was not fat nor did I have gyno. That itself gives me a hormonal composite that I need to emulate.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

I used not only spironolactone in the treatment of hair, but also progesterone.Progesterone also UPS the protein of the liver in research on women.Progesterone helps restore the female cycle of hormone production.In the first phase, they produce estradiol from day 1-14,and in the second phase, from day 14-28, they produce estradiol with progesterone.These two components raise the liver protein thereby regulating the amount of androgens in the blood.If a woman gets problems with the cycle, there is a violation of the second phase of the cycle of progesterone production, then she gets hirsutism,alopecia of the scalp, weight.

The only problem with that is progesterone is antagonistic to estrogen, and women produce estrogen in quantities by default, if you do not have adequate estrogen levels to promote hair growth, progesterone is just going to f*** that up.

So for men, and I say this with having experience taking progesterone topically and orally, they should emphasize using estrogen, as that is what will help them the most.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I used not only spironolactone in the treatment of hair, but also progesterone.Progesterone also UPS the protein of the liver in research on women.Progesterone helps restore the female cycle of hormone production.In the first phase, they produce estradiol from day 1-14,and in the second phase, from day 14-28, they produce estradiol with progesterone.These two components raise the liver protein thereby regulating the amount of androgens in the blood.If a woman gets problems with the cycle, there is a violation of the second phase of the cycle of progesterone production, then she gets hirsutism,alopecia of the scalp, weight.

I am doing a ten-day progesterone cycle of 300 mg Prometrium orally. I just copied @bridegburn. Someone just pm'ed me and she is doing ten days a month of progesterone and she is cis. That's what I mean by usable protocols. My hope was to find a protocol that minimizes breast growth and I guess I need to move on to studying Serms as a solution for that. But, and this is a big butt, my breasts have started growing from the P4 and my nipples are growing again so I have ended up proving the opposite of what I set out to in 2013. I am a failure in that aspect.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Imo, if you don't have enough estrogen (as I am in such a place currently), there is zero point in using progesterone, for whatever testosterone you lose, estrogen must pick up the slack. Let us know what your results are, but honestly I think progesterone is a red herring for the most part.

If you're looking to reduce gyno as a man, definitely do not rely on progesterone, that sh*t straight up gave me gyno and I was on a "male dose" prescribed by my doctor. He at first was skeptical that it was the progesterone, but I was like "either way I'm going to stop taking it".

It also did nothing for my hair.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

If you want to reduce your gyno then you can use calcium d-glucarate, but realize that what it does is binds hormones to itself and then allows it to be excreted by the body, so you're losing testosterone and estrogen so you're right back to square one.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Imo, if you don't have enough estrogen (as I am in such a place currently), there is zero point in using progesterone, for whatever testosterone you lose, estrogen must pick up the slack. Let us know what your results are, but honestly I think progesterone is a red herring for the most part.

I have been in opposition to the idea that progesterone is required for MtF's for breast completion but I am now a terrible spokeswoman for that point of view, lol. Wpath says that progesterone is not a requisite but hey, @bridgeburn used it and insurances pays for it so I have no complaints there either. I hope you are not discouraged. Keep finding your path.

 

[Almas]

Considering the large number of people using 50mg of Bica with Finasteride and the conclusions we come to, we are closer than ever to solving the problem of Androgenetic Alopecia.

Bloody trichologists continue to advise Finasteride and look for solutions to problems in the wrong places. Several members of this forum have made more contributions to trichology than trichologists. I spoke with eminent trichologists like Dr. Rassman. Hell, I have to say that he is an idiot and understands nothing about baldness. It's so funny, because technically they are specialists, and we are not.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

If you want to reduce your gyno then you can use calcium d-glucarate, but realize that what it does is binds hormones to itself and then allows it to be excreted by the body, so you're losing testosterone and estrogen so you're right back to square one.

I have D cups and they aren't going anywhere. That was the "price" of my ticket to the ball<winks>

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Considering the large number of people using 50mg of Bica with Finasteride and the conclusions we come to, we are closer than ever to solving the problem of Androgenetic Alopecia.

Bloody trichologists continue to advise Finasteride and look for solutions to problems in the wrong places. Several members of this forum have made more contributions to trichology than trichologists. I spoke with eminent trichologists like Dr. Rassman. Hell, I have to say that he is an idiot and understands nothing about baldness. It's so funny, because technically they are specialists, and we are not.

I am one person and one data point but one reason I added progesterone was to be able to blog about it. I hope my experiences help others evaluate for themselves risk vs reward. But I am 56 and I was done as a male. You guys are still breeding. It's a different thing but at least we know HRT can restore a full head of hair and I see lots of hair coming in in the temples so maybe six more months I will be able to use my own hair. For me, really, all of this has become part of my life and I am thrilled.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

I have D cups and they aren't going anywhere. That was the "price" of my ticket to the ball<winks>

Like I said, I believe that most certainly is because of your inherent sensitivity-to or the magnitude of testosterone that you were counteracting in reversing your hairloss.

I'm just saying, don't discourage guys in the mid-range who actually had a head of hair in their 20s that was desirable to them, because they likely won't require to pay such a price, cruel as it may seem.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I am one person and one data point but one reason I added progesterone was to be able to blog about it. I hope my experiences help others evaluate for themselves risk vs reward. But I am 56 and I was done as a male. You guys are still breeding. It's a different thing but at least we know HRT can restore a full head of hair and I see lots of hair coming in in the temples so maybe six more months I will be able to use my own hair. For me, really, all of this has become part of my life and I am thrilled.

Rassman was quoted as saying that drinking Kirkland is unlikely to work and I was like, I have new hair growing all over my body that is a side effect. Yes it survives the liver pass.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Considering the large number of people using 50mg of Bica with Finasteride and the conclusions we come to, we are closer than ever to solving the problem of Androgenetic Alopecia.

Bloody trichologists continue to advise Finasteride and look for solutions to problems in the wrong places. Several members of this forum have made more contributions to trichology than trichologists. I spoke with eminent trichologists like Dr. Rassman. Hell, I have to say that he is an idiot and understands nothing about baldness. It's so funny, because technically they are specialists, and we are not.

I definitely want to try it not, if not just for halting my hair loss but also so I don't have to go through the Patrick Bateman level of skin care I have had to adapt to in order to prevent my skin from looking red and oily and constant white heads. Assholes have criticized me for it in the past but literally nothing short of that has ever stopped my skin from having extremely serious problems.

I think those things are innately related however, scalp and skin health all around.

And yeah, all I will say is that medical professionals have to protect their license to practice, and fast moving experimental treatments don't jive with government policy on such things. Honestly the only reason why transgenderism has not been subject to the same scrutiny is because of what I personally believe to be an insidious motive by activists, not that I'm trying to cast the same aspersions about trans people themselves.

Licensing and approving off-brand usage for medications and hormones for us "normies" who aren't sponsored by marxists with ulterior motives is difficult and painful, thus we're out in the wild west blazing a trail and sharing our information. We are at the leading edge and I'm just glad resources and communities such as this exist.

There's no way I'm waiting around for mainstream medicine to come to the same conclusions as the rest of us.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Like I said, I believe that most certainly is because of your inherent sensitivity-to or the magnitude of testosterone that you were counteracting in reversing your hairloss.

I'm just saying, don't discourage guys in the mid-range who actually had a head of hair in their 20s that was desirable to them, because they likely won't require to pay such a price, cruel as it may seem.

Am I doing that? i don't think that I am but my thing is based upon being an open person and I have shared many details if not most but I don't think any about my t'aint but it's not for lack of willingness if someone has a question. My goal has been to share all of the dirt, good and bad about the MtF hair restoration experience so I don't leave lots out.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I definitely want to try it not, if not just for halting my hair loss but also so I don't have to go through the Patrick Bateman level of skin care I have had to adapt to in order to prevent my skin from looking red and oily and constant white heads. Assholes have criticized me for it in the past but literally nothing short of that has ever stopped my skin from having extremely serious problems.

I think those things are innately related however, scalp and skin health all around.

And yeah, all I will say is that medical professionals have to protect their license to practice, and fast moving experimental treatments don't jive with government policy on such things. Honestly the only reason why transgenderism has not been subject to the same scrutiny is because of what I personally believe to be an insidious motive by activists, not that I'm trying to cast the same aspersions about trans people themselves.

Licensing and approving off-brand usage for medications and hormones for us "normies" who aren't sponsored by marxists with ulterior motives is difficult and painful, thus we're out in the wild west blazing a trail and sharing our information. We are at the leading edge and I'm just glad resources and communities such as this exist.

There's no way I'm waiting around for mainstream medicine to come to the same conclusions as the rest of us.

Lol. I don't have subversive tendencies but I have tried to eschew labels. People say tranny to me. I don't care. Other Mtf's will try to get people banned and yes, I hate the f*****g pronoun police but even more so than hair, I have sought beauty. I am a femme, no?

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Am I doing that? i don't think that I am but my thing is based upon being an open person and I have shared many details if not most but I don't think any about my t'aint but it's not for lack of willingness if someone has a question. My goal has been to share all of the dirt, good and bad about the MtF hair restoration experience so I don't leave lots out.

It seemed like it kind of, with your talk of your perceived inevitability of undesirable side effects.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

It seemed like it kind of, with your talk of your perceived inevitability of undesirable side effects.

Well. Remember my phrase, one person's bug is another person's feature. I don't think that estrogen has any side-effects. Not in the way that I mean with spironolactone. My year on spironolactone was miserable and I don't think that synthetics are healthy in the long-run but look at me, I was on Premarin for two years and I think it might work better for breasts than hair but who knows. In the short-term, as long as something isn't poison, you know. @bridegburn was using ethinyl estradiol at that point which is synthetic and I would do it at the drop of a hat. Perhaps I need to clarify more about short-run vs. long-run. Everything we are discussing is safe in the short-run except AA's past 90 days without estrogen.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Lol. I don't have subversive tendencies but I have tried to eschew labels. People say tranny to me. I don't care. Other Mtf's will try to get people banned and yes, I hate the f*****g pronoun police but even more so than hair, I have sought beauty. I am a femme, no?

Like I said I'm not criticizing people who are trans, but most certainly the activists who have rammed the acceptance of early life transitioning and the broad scale approval of potentially hazardous treatments to people on the basis of transitioning is concerning, and I say this as a guy who is absolutely going to use female hormones and androgen blockers to recalibrate his body chemistry to start growing instead of losing hair.

A person like myself who has spent at least 10 years learning everything I possibly could about hormones as they pertain to my situation, versus somebody who knows nothing and believes that there are people merely fighting for their right to use the magic fairy dust that will turn them into a beautiful princess are two very different things (I am not referring to you Janey, don't worry I know you know more than most).

But I know a FTM who had absolutely no understanding whatsoever of hormones and just took the test injections thinking she was going to look like a guy, and she ended up looking like chaz bono with ballsack hair glued to her face.

She got fatter, and didn't understand her body was actively fighting the testosterone by aromatizing it, and the doctors didn't even intervene to fine tune the protocol because for them it was all about merely fulfilling their obligation to not be labeled "bigoted" by declining them testosterone.

They're never going to look like a dude, and once they enter their 30s they're going to realize what a horrible mistake they've made, and all because they are not adequately educated on hormones, not like any of us in this community that have to pay our dues by reading the materials we research and are offered to us by our peers.