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foy

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>claims to be DHT mutant
>takes drug that increases DHT for the sake of f*****g boobs

and i can’t believe i thought you were clearpilled. fooled my dumbass !!
My DHT is bad no matter what I do, it doesn't matter what I do. HRT doesn't work for me no matter what I do. The prog was my last option to have some breast development. I have no indications of an increase in DHT with the prog. I will simply stop taking it if it hasn't caused any breast development in 1 more month. No, I'm not drunk, I'm just depressed.
 

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My DHT is bad no matter what I do, it doesn't matter what I do. HRT doesn't work for me no matter what I do. The prog was my last option to have some breast development. I have no indications of an increase in DHT with the prog. I will simply stop taking it if it hasn't caused any breast development in 1 more month. No, I'm not drunk, I'm just depressed.

Besides minoxidil are there any meds that people have used for blood flow?
Aspirin. It thins your blood .
 

Dav1234

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Does topical finasteride/dutasteride with microneedling decrease more scalp dht compared to oral? maybe concentrating in the skin more.
 

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Hello guys, I have some updates about my dutasteride solution. I've been reading lot of studies and it seems mct + ethanol alone causes good solubility on dutasteride but the bioavailability remains less than 20% because the ethanol is rapidly absorbed by the body. After that happens most of the dutasteride precipitate from the solution because dutasteride is not very soluble in mct oil. For this reason I have been reading lots of studies and I will incorporate SEDDS(Self-emulsifying drug delivery system) with this method I will basically be able to form micelles with surfactants that encapsulate the dutasteride in the oil preventing separation of it and increasing bioavailability. I will use a ratio of 43.59% Smix (Smix is surfactants + cosurfactants) which should decrease droplet size to <100 nm as per studies. Basically when you have <100 nm droplets the drug is highly bioavailable and it can absorb pretty good. Also when it reach the small intestine and make contact with bile salts, these can drop the dropplet size to like 30 nm droplet size which would absorb the drug pretty damn easy. With this method i will achieve a bioavailability very similar to Avodart because the solution wont precipitate(cause I wont rely on ethanol to dissolve dutasteride, the solvents of dutasteride will be lecithin and polysorbate 80 which have high solubilty in dutasteride, you can check it here https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4232777/#:~:text=of drug without addition of,Figure 2). I will mostly use natural surfactants because surfactants at high amounts are hazardous, the only synthetic one I will use is Tween 80 but in small dosages which is under the ADI(Acceptable Daily Intake) of 25 mg/kg(I will use ~3.8mg/kg).

I wont be able to use the solution for few days till the supplies arrive but it doesnt matter as long as I get a good bioavailability.
 
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BRezende

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Hello guys, I have some updates about my dutasteride solution. I've been reading lot of studies and it seems mct + ethanol alone causes good solubility on dutasteride but the bioavailability remains less than 20% because the ethanol is rapidly absorbed by the body. After that happens most of the dutasteride precipitate from the solution because dutasteride is not very soluble in mct oil. For this reason I have been reading lots of studies and I will incorporate SEDDS(Self-emulsifying drug delivery system) with this method I will basically be able to form micelles with surfactants that encapsulate the dutasteride in the oil preventing separation of it and increasing bioavailability. I will use a ratio of 43.59% Smix (Smix is surfactants + cosurfactants) which should decrease droplet size to <100 nm as per studies. Basically when you have <100 nm droplets the drug is highly bioavailable and it can absorb pretty good. Also when it reach the small intestine and make contact with bile salts, these can drop the dropplet size to like 30 nm droplet size which would absorb the drug pretty damn easy. With this method i will achieve a bioavailability very similar to Avodart because the solution wont precipitate(cause I wont rely on ethanol to dissolve dutasteride, the solvents of dutasteride will be lecithin and polysorbate 80 which have high solubilty in dutasteride, you can check it here https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4232777/#:~:text=of drug without addition of,Figure 2). I will mostly use natural surfactants because surfactants at high amounts are hazardous, the only synthetic one I will use is Tween 80 but in small dosages which is under the ADI(Acceptable Daily Intake) of 25 mg/kg(I will use ~3.8mg/kg).

I wont be able to use the solution for few days till the supplies arrive but it doesnt matter as long as I get a good bioavailability.
my dutasteride pills are liquid, they are on soft capsules
 

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my dutasteride pills are liquid, they are on soft capsules
They use SEDDS as well. The capsule contains lecithin that is a natural emulsifier and it also contains mono and diglycerides of capril/capric acid which solubilizes the dutasteride good and is another emulsifier. The pill is fast dissolved in the stomach and the lecithin on the pill + the mono and diglycerides start to emulsify the dutasteride in presence of the stomach acid which is mostly made of water. When emulsifiers/surfactants get in contact with water, they make micelles which traps the lipophilic drugs, that in other cases it would be non bioavailable to be used by the body(the body cant metabolize dutasteride if it is not encapsulated with micelles, that is basically why taking the raw powder with water wont work and that is also why taking only oil with it wont work because it will separate from the oil in the stomach in the absence of an emulsifier) . In my case I use lecithin like avodart but also a strong synthetic surfactant which is tween 80 because dutasteride has trash solubility in mct oil and getting mono and diglycerides is basically impossible to get if your not a chemist or pharmacist, or it is too expensive, so I have to rely in very potent synthetic surfactant such as tween 80 to solubilize most of the dutasteride with the help on lecithin ofc. I also use some monolaurin to get some stability too and ethanol to make the dissolution faster outside the body and to help reach smaller droplet size(which translate to more bioavailability).
 
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Im new here and posted this on reddit. No one discuss this but a guys send me this thread. What do you think about my approach? (Reddit post)

So i currently prepare a little experiment on DIY oral dutasteride solution and want to share it with you guys:

We all know 2.5mg dutasteride is expensive so why not create our own 2.5mg dutasteride. I have ordered raw Dutasteride powder from a verified source which will arrive soon.

I will create a solution with Dutasteride powder, MCT Oil and Vitamin E that has 2.5mg of dutasteride per one ML. I have a 0,001mg scale on hand and all my laboratory equipment

I did some research and the whole Dutasteride capsule contains: An oil (very similar to MCT, Dutasteride itself, an anti-oxidant and a gelatine capsule.

With my solution i want to recreate this without the gelatine capsule:

The solution would be stored in a cool place, with a bottle that blocks UV or any Light.

Why MCT Oil: Well, dutasteride is lipophilic and its basically in the original capsule

Why Vitamin E: It is an anti-oxidant and prevents degradation. Usually, it is better to use BHT-Powder to have the best stability. But i will make 3 months batches and after discussing that topic with my Professor in Uni, i wouldn’t actually need an antioxidant.

But to be extra safe i will use Vitamin E and only make solutions for 3 months.

I will also follow some other tricks, like using a vial and getting the solution out with a syringe. But that would be a too long post

So i am 100% sure that i will have nearly pharma level degradation protection

5 grams of powder and all the other stuff costed me around 140€. And the powder would last years

So every evening i will open the bottle and drink 1ml of it.
 

Adri23

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Im new here and posted this on reddit. No one discuss this but a guys send me this thread. What do you think about my approach? (Reddit post)

So i currently prepare a little experiment on DIY oral dutasteride solution and want to share it with you guys:

We all know 2.5mg dutasteride is expensive so why not create our own 2.5mg dutasteride. I have ordered raw Dutasteride powder from a verified source which will arrive soon.

I will create a solution with Dutasteride powder, MCT Oil and Vitamin E that has 2.5mg of dutasteride per one ML. I have a 0,001mg scale on hand and all my laboratory equipment

I did some research and the whole Dutasteride capsule contains: An oil (very similar to MCT, Dutasteride itself, an anti-oxidant and a gelatine capsule.

With my solution i want to recreate this without the gelatine capsule:

The solution would be stored in a cool place, with a bottle that blocks UV or any Light.

Why MCT Oil: Well, dutasteride is lipophilic and its basically in the original capsule

Why Vitamin E: It is an anti-oxidant and prevents degradation. Usually, it is better to use BHT-Powder to have the best stability. But i will make 3 months batches and after discussing that topic with my Professor in Uni, i wouldn’t actually need an antioxidant.

But to be extra safe i will use Vitamin E and only make solutions for 3 months.

I will also follow some other tricks, like using a vial and getting the solution out with a syringe. But that would be a too long post

So i am 100% sure that i will have nearly pharma level degradation protection

5 grams of powder and all the other stuff costed me around 140€. And the powder would last years

So every evening i will open the bottle and drink 1ml of it.
You wont get good bioavailability with only MCT and vitamin E.

MCT oil is not the same as avodart uses on they capsules(tho it seems like it is) basically what Avodart uses is a mono and diglycerides of caprilic/capric. Your mct is made of triglycerides so it has to be broken down by your body to make mono an diglycerides. The mono and diglycerides of caprilic/capric used in avodart are emulsifiers that helps increase bioavailability of dutasteride and also serve as solvent. Mct oil wont emulsify and has very low solubility in dutasteride, so you wont form nano droplets that are needed for dutasteride absorption since dutasteride is very high lipophilic drug Log P(=6.8). Avodart also uses a co emulsifier that is lecithin(which is in the capsule that is fast dissolved by GI fluids). With this combination, avodart achieves a good emulsification that makes the drug bioavailable, tho avodart doesnt have an optimized formulation, it could be improved and I've seen better formulations of different patents that havent hit the market.

To resume, if you want to make dutasteride bioavailable you will need surfactants and cosurfactants that will make dutasteride bioavailable. Mct will serve as the carrier oil and you will need it in order to the surfactants to form micelles but it wont dissolve the drug properly and wont do much for drug delivery without surfactants
 
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Dav1234

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Anyone use cb0301 or ru? I want to combine with Cyproterone. Any dht blocker just kills my hair.
 

Dav1234

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And could topical finasteride work without causing the upregulation like oral finasteride does?
 
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