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I think my regimen is more appealing to most people. Ppl dont like gels and patches(including me) and my hair is as good as it can get with my regimen. I have NW0 hairline without the terrible diffuse I had
Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.
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I have castrate T levels from this regimen but they don't include DHT in the test.
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I get a special thrill from applying Estrogel to my body and I enjoy the control that it gives me.
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There used to be a rivalry between the men and the trannys on here. I do think it is interesting to try to do what you can without using estrogen. It's a bit of a puzzle, more science than artistry but you feel a certain artistry when you have success from the medications that you picked. I don't consider myself transgender however. This is a choice; this existence is so heavenly that it's difficult to describe. Everything about the hormonal effects to me, mind, body, and soul has both renewed me and made me better than I ever was before. I had stopped practicing law. Now I adore it and only work in-court. But I was fine with being a guy when I had great hair 40 years ago.
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If you read this blog before 2022, you will get an idea of how thrilling this subject was to all of us and the intellectual discourse was very very high level and edifying.
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Everyone knows who you are janey elizsabeth. Im gonna tell the admins on you so you get banned from here once again you dirty disgusting person.
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I have nothing to do with that description that you gave and I disclaim any connection.
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We are all OCD and narcissists so eh. I won't overstay my welcome. Few of us are particularly well who congregate here obsessively. I read from time to time and I hope that you all can raise the level of politeness and discourse. Men don't have to swear every other word and they needn't eh, be aggressive to others for no particular reason save territoriality, it seems.
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The Reddit sites related to HRT and feminization are good sources. This is the crux of the thing. I don't believe that good results are likely without chemical castration or physical castration and then concurrently, you need massive amounts of systemic estrogen. There's no way to get your hair back without becoming hormonally female and with estradiol levels associated with the teens and twenties among cis-women, if not early pregnancy levels of estradiol.
You might be able theoretically to cross over and return which Bridge did, last that I heard and then maintain with Dutasteride but I haven't seen any long-term verified examples. My breasts and nipples have gotten far too large to ever dissipate completely. That's every red-blooded male's fear. To have big breasts and while it is highly unlikely, some of us hit the jackpot so to speak but it makes it very difficult to contemplate having those as a hormonal male again.
Essentially you have to maintain castrate levels of T and DHT while flooding the system with estradiol. 400 pg/ml of estradiol which is equivalent to two patches on the arms should put T levels down towards zero. I don't get a DHT breakout with my insurance so I don't know about that but I think that 0 T means 0 of either T or DHT but things like adrenal glands can counteract this and produce some amounts of DHT. AA's might help but spironolactone seemed counterproductive to me and caused major weakness and was correlated with two massive sheds in between periods of estradiol only. Having castrate levels without healthy amounts of estradiol is not healthy but it should stop hair loss at least.
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The truth will set you free.
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You post a lot. You have the addiction and only stepping away is likely to make you free. I associate with no one but people can become dependent on this site in a very unhealthy way. People do get better and mental health often improves so nobody should give up. Hope is out there but the science tends to be the science regardless of value judgments. Nothing could ever be worse than being a chick, I once thought and I had no idea how much better it was provided you passed and were decent looking. Nothing is worse than being openly transgender or very little. That was a fad and I hope that it is going away. If people have to insist on pronouns, that's not likely to be a successful life for anyone in my estimation. Rarely if ever does anyone now ask me my pronouns but if they do, Janey says "I, me, mine.
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I encourage all to read the first 50 pages of this blog. It was a thrilling read and everyone was too excited and interested to get snarky all of the time.
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If you are one of the very few fortunate to come out on the other side, you truly are a new and different person. I associate myself with nothing from 2020 during Covid so ease up and you might learn some things and see just how wondrous HRT can be. Titrating topical estrogen might be a semi-cure where fertility and potency might remain if one starts early enough. You can craft your results based upon your wishes, risk factors and the probability of long-term success in hair and in life. For exceptionally few do I recommend crossing over into active feminization. Most people who have success are likely to get "trapped" and like it. That's the whole thrust of sissy hypnosis.
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Good ole Almas seems to have been unbanned and Marky, although I don't see him now so much. Half the people on here discombobulate. It comes with the territory.
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I know. It's the ultimate XY humiliation. The online sites about HRT disclaim any effects at all, mostly but eh. It's less a claim than a visual and functional reality. Other people's results seemingly are often without visual effects at all including hair. I apparently have little to no resistance to the effects of estrogen and being so petite probably magnifies my results.
If you look on Reddit, there are plenty of pics of FtM's who are visually male even "down there". Many of them are completely bald and have massive amounts of body hair beyond 99 percent of cis-men.
Why would it be any different for XY's going in the opposite direction hormonally....
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Thats what makes me wonder if HRT can grow hair in 100% of the cases, i see a lot people on HRT who dont get hair results from it.
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That's a good and valid observation.
Let's start with young people who have close to perfect hairlines to begin with, say from 16 to 30 but it could be older if the person has a full head of hair. From what I can tell, almost all of these people keep all of the hair that they have if they use enough estradiol. For guys with mullets, that hair seems to become smooth, grow longer and is much nicer than their "male" hair had been. This is similar to using Proscar from puberty onwards but the hair will have the much nicer female aspect from the estrogen. That seems to indicate that HRT potentially works for everyone not balding. You can see the pics on the reddit transition pic pages of men formerly with full heads of wiry hair that now is looser and free flowing and grows longer.
Let's consider cases involving HRT which I define as being dominated by a substance chemically similar to estrogen or that is metabolized into estrogen in the body. Here, actual regrowth is possible and some people grow impressive amounts of hair. I was moderately bald on top and with a fairly low but clearly degrading hair line (hair both above the forehead and along the side burns line). Virtually all men lose significant hair in front of the ears but tend not to notice. The hairline and the hair in front of the ears seem to be most difficult to regrow. The crown regrows more easily than the hairline. In females, the hairline and area in front of the ears forms an elliptical halo similar in shape to a woman's hair band.
Nevertheless, I have never seen a picture of someone with a Yul Brenner sort of hair situation, recover via HRT to the extent that it is cosmetically significant for an XY and certainly not for an XX or child-like hairline. Although I have pictures that look like that, it was due to a massive shed. My underlying condition was mostly age normal though. The good news is that sheds seem to not be linked to increasing baldness under HRT. It appears to me that the body sheds the hair to start over, jettisoning all or most of the garbage hair. I recovered twice from sheds. The first was massive and the second was a bit more subtle but both were linked to heavy used of spironolactone, up to 500 mg a day.
Still this is a long slow process. I started using over the counter estradiol but mostly estriol maybe 12 years ago and it mostly had physical effects. I added Estrogel from India but it's hard to make progress without HRT being an everyday and not sporadic process and you have to titrate the dosage upwards as you go along. Things started looking really good in 2021 and then I had the second more moderate shed. This barely fazed me having had a worse one before plus I had started preferring to wear a wig.
For a 60 year old XY, I have had an amazing hair recovery. It's definitely cosmetically significant for a male. It's still not good enough for a female yet however. The trend appears to be my friend. I have fought hair loss for 40 years without ever taking a break. I have always taken the best thing that worked first for males and then for anyone related to HRT and it still has taken me well over ten years for the bald sport to completely fill in. The hair and ear lines are continuing to improve but that's a lot of time, effort and money. Most noteworthy is that all of my hair has improved greatly in texture and manageability, and ability to grow to longer lengths.
Why doesn't HRT work for all XY's who try it? I think that head shape and size might be a huge detriment if the head has grown excessively due to testosterone. See Barry Bonds who grew four hat sizes in the early 00's and began balding immediately from a full head of hair. I also think that men with skin baldness and little to no fringe are suffering from incredible inflammation everywhere. Small amounts of regrowth actually make some bald men look worse if they are close to the Yul Brenner stage because it takes away even the neatness of being completely bald. Now you have those straggly tufts that look disheveled in the wind again. For virtually all older, more advanced cases of baldness among people transitioning, they would be well served by finding a good wig. I found one I love and now that covid is over, prices are actually dropping although we will see what the Tariffs bring. I wear them for one month at $40 per and then toss them. That's about $500 yearly for "great" female hair. Many people spend much more than that on coloring and hair cuts.
Wigs often drape and move almost perfectly and most people don't notice it's a wig. Unfortunately, male hair systems seem to be far, far more expensive and they never seem to fit quite right or drape the way that you want. Virtually all of them have the "wiry" sort of hair consistency that we saw with Ted Koppel and other newsmen and of course, George Costanza, who appeared to have a dead animal sown on his head. Nevertheless, women virtually never spot hair pieces unless you tell them.
So the OP's point is on target and we don't know the answers but in terms of seeking cosmetically significant hair regrowth for XY's with pervasive baldness, things are bleak. It's probably not worth it for any XY except those who are OCD or suicidal about hair loss. It seems to me, that if anything, baldness is increasing in general among whites and even blacks, who average 25 percent white genes in the U.S. You see far less baldness in Africa and the Far East and virtually none among Native Americans. This probably has to do with their having less T and DHT in general circulating. The joke about bald men being "real males" is kind of true. They usually have incredibly thick and long-growing and impressive beards. There's no hair loss per se really, just a complete migration downward from on top to the face. This is an instance of extreme sexual dimorphism that Africans and Asians and Native Americans tend not to experience unless they carry caucasian/Semitic genes.
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