Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

Esquire Janey

Established Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
53
L M f*****g A O
I know. It's the ultimate XY humiliation. The online sites about HRT disclaim any effects at all, mostly but eh. It's less a claim than a visual and functional reality. Other people's results seemingly are often without visual effects at all including hair. I apparently have little to no resistance to the effects of estrogen and being so petite probably magnifies my results.

If you look on Reddit, there are plenty of pics of FtM's who are visually male even "down there". Many of them are completely bald and have massive amounts of body hair beyond 99 percent of cis-men.

Why would it be any different for XY's going in the opposite direction hormonally....
 
Last edited:

BRezende

Established Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
151
If you look on Reddit, there are plenty of pics of FtM's who are visually male even "down there". Many of them are completely bald and have massive amounts of body hair beyond 99 percent of cis-men.
Thats what makes me wonder if HRT can grow hair in 100% of the cases, i see a lot people on HRT who dont get hair results from it.
 

Esquire Janey

Established Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
53
Thats what makes me wonder if HRT can grow hair in 100% of the cases, i see a lot people on HRT who dont get hair results from it.
That's a good and valid observation.

Let's start with young people who have close to perfect hairlines to begin with, say from 16 to 30 but it could be older if the person has a full head of hair. From what I can tell, almost all of these people keep all of the hair that they have if they use enough estradiol. For guys with mullets, that hair seems to become smooth, grow longer and is much nicer than their "male" hair had been. This is similar to using Proscar from puberty onwards but the hair will have the much nicer female aspect from the estrogen. That seems to indicate that HRT potentially works for everyone not balding. You can see the pics on the reddit transition pic pages of men formerly with full heads of wiry hair that now is looser and free flowing and grows longer.

Let's consider cases involving HRT which I define as being dominated by a substance chemically similar to estrogen or that is metabolized into estrogen in the body. Here, actual regrowth is possible and some people grow impressive amounts of hair. I was moderately bald on top and with a fairly low but clearly degrading hair line (hair both above the forehead and along the side burns line). Virtually all men lose significant hair in front of the ears but tend not to notice. The hairline and the hair in front of the ears seem to be most difficult to regrow. The crown regrows more easily than the hairline. In females, the hairline and area in front of the ears forms an elliptical halo similar in shape to a woman's hair band.

Nevertheless, I have never seen a picture of someone with a Yul Brenner sort of hair situation, recover via HRT to the extent that it is cosmetically significant for an XY and certainly not for an XX or child-like hairline. Although I have pictures that look like that, it was due to a massive shed. My underlying condition was mostly age normal though. The good news is that sheds seem to not be linked to increasing baldness under HRT. It appears to me that the body sheds the hair to start over, jettisoning all or most of the garbage hair. I recovered twice from sheds. The first was massive and the second was a bit more subtle but both were linked to heavy used of spironolactone, up to 500 mg a day.

Still this is a long slow process. I started using over the counter estradiol but mostly estriol maybe 12 years ago and it mostly had physical effects. I added Estrogel from India but it's hard to make progress without HRT being an everyday and not sporadic process and you have to titrate the dosage upwards as you go along. Things started looking really good in 2021 and then I had the second more moderate shed. This barely fazed me having had a worse one before plus I had started preferring to wear a wig.

For a 60 year old XY, I have had an amazing hair recovery. It's definitely cosmetically significant for a male. It's still not good enough for a female yet however. The trend appears to be my friend. I have fought hair loss for 40 years without ever taking a break. I have always taken the best thing that worked first for males and then for anyone related to HRT and it still has taken me well over ten years for the bald sport to completely fill in. The hair and ear lines are continuing to improve but that's a lot of time, effort and money. Most noteworthy is that all of my hair has improved greatly in texture and manageability, and ability to grow to longer lengths.

Why doesn't HRT work for all XY's who try it? I think that head shape and size might be a huge detriment if the head has grown excessively due to testosterone. See Barry Bonds who grew four hat sizes in the early 00's and began balding immediately from a full head of hair. I also think that men with skin baldness and little to no fringe are suffering from incredible inflammation everywhere. Small amounts of regrowth actually make some bald men look worse if they are close to the Yul Brenner stage because it takes away even the neatness of being completely bald. Now you have those straggly tufts that look disheveled in the wind again. For virtually all older, more advanced cases of baldness among people transitioning, they would be well served by finding a good wig. I found one I love and now that covid is over, prices are actually dropping although we will see what the Tariffs bring. I wear them for one month at $40 per and then toss them. That's about $500 yearly for "great" female hair. Many people spend much more than that on coloring and hair cuts.

Wigs often drape and move almost perfectly and most people don't notice it's a wig. Unfortunately, male hair systems seem to be far, far more expensive and they never seem to fit quite right or drape the way that you want. Virtually all of them have the "wiry" sort of hair consistency that we saw with Ted Koppel and other newsmen and of course, George Costanza, who appeared to have a dead animal sown on his head. Nevertheless, women virtually never spot hair pieces unless you tell them.

So the OP's point is on target and we don't know the answers but in terms of seeking cosmetically significant hair regrowth for XY's with pervasive baldness, things are bleak. It's probably not worth it for any XY except those who are OCD or suicidal about hair loss. It seems to me, that if anything, baldness is increasing in general among whites and even blacks, who average 25 percent white genes in the U.S. You see far less baldness in Africa and the Far East and virtually none among Native Americans. This probably has to do with their having less T and DHT in general circulating. The joke about bald men being "real males" is kind of true. They usually have incredibly thick and long-growing and impressive beards. There's no hair loss per se really, just a complete migration downward from on top to the face. This is an instance of extreme sexual dimorphism that Africans and Asians and Native Americans tend not to experience unless they carry caucasian/Semitic genes.
 
Last edited:

sg2000

Experienced Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
321
@Adri23 I just changed to sub q needles two weeks ago…
All this time on hrt since end november ive injected with wrong needles(IM needles) on my belly even tough I didn't thread the whole needle in so maybe it still worked but i was just paranoid that i waisted all my time in injecting with the wrong needls (altough i did blood test and e2 was 400 pgml,but maybe i was lucky and did that injectong right…)and now i fell that im starting hrt again for the first time…im such a dumb ***
 
Last edited:

sg2000

Experienced Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
321
That's a good and valid observation.

Let's start with young people who have close to perfect hairlines to begin with, say from 16 to 30 but it could be older if the person has a full head of hair. From what I can tell, almost all of these people keep all of the hair that they have if they use enough estradiol. For guys with mullets, that hair seems to become smooth, grow longer and is much nicer than their "male" hair had been. This is similar to using Proscar from puberty onwards but the hair will have the much nicer female aspect from the estrogen. That seems to indicate that HRT potentially works for everyone not balding. You can see the pics on the reddit transition pic pages of men formerly with full heads of wiry hair that now is looser and free flowing and grows longer.

Let's consider cases involving HRT which I define as being dominated by a substance chemically similar to estrogen or that is metabolized into estrogen in the body. Here, actual regrow is possible and some people grow impressive amounts of hair. I was moderately bald on top and with a fairly low but clearly degrading hair line (hair both above the forehead and along the side burns line). Virtually all men lose significant hair here but tend not to notice. The hairline and the hair in front of the ears seem to be most difficult to regrow. The crown regrows more easily than the hairline.

Nevertheless, I have never seen a picture of someone with a Yul Brenner sort of hair situation, recover via HRT to the extent that it is cosmetically significant for an XY and certainly not for an XX or child-like hairline. Although I have pictures that look like that, it was due to a massive shed. My underlying condition was mostly age normal though. The good news is that sheds seem to not be linked to increasing baldness under HRT. It appears to me that the body sheds the hair to start over, jettisoning all or most of the garbage hair. I recovered twice from sheds. The first was massive and the second was a bit more subtle but both were linked to heavy used of spironolactone, up to 500 mg a day.

Still this is a long slow process. I started using over the counter estradiol but mostly estriol maybe 12 years ago and it mostly had physical effects. I added Estrogel from India but it's hard to make progress without HRT being an everyday and not sporadic process and you have to titrate the dosage upwards as you go along. Things started looking really good in 2021 and then I had the second more moderate shed. This barely fazed me having had a worse one before plus I had started preferring to wear a wig.

For a 60 year old XY, I have had an amazing hair recovery. It's definitely cosmetically significant for a male. It's still not good enough for a female yet however. The trend appears to be my friend. I have fought hair loss for 40 years without ever taking a break. I have always taken the best thing that worked first for males and then for anyone related to HRT and it still has taken me well over ten years for the bald sport to completely fill in. The hair and ear lines are continuing to improve but that's a lot of time, effort and money. Most noteworthy is that all of my hair has improved greatly in texture and manageability, and ability to grow to longer lengths.

What doesn't HRT work for all XY's who try it? I think that head shape and size might be a huge detriment if the head has grown excessively due to testosterone. See Barry Bonds who grew four hat sizes in the early 00's and began balding immediately from a full head of hair. I also think that men with skin baldness and little to no fringe are suffering from incredible inflammation everywhere. Small amounts of regrowth actually make some bald men look worse if they are close to the Yul Brenner stage because it takes away even the neatness of being completely bald. Now you have those straggly tufts that look disheveled in the wind again. For virtually all older, more advanced cases of baldness among people transitioning, they would be well served by finding a good wig. I found one I love and now that covid is over, prices are actually dropping although we will see what the Tariffs bring. I wear them for one month at $40 per and then toss them. That's about $500 yearly for "great" female hair. Many people spend much more than that on coloring and hair cuts.

Wigs often drape and move almost perfectly and most people don't notice it's a wig. Unfortunately, male hair systems seem to be far, far more expensive and they never seem to fit quite right or drape the way that you want to. Virtually all of them have the "wiry" sort of hair consistency that we saw with Ted Koppel and other newsmen and of course, George Costanza, who appeared to have a dead animal sown on his head. Nevertheless, women virtually never spot hair pieces unless you tell them.

So the OP's point is on target and we don't know the answers but in terms of seeking cosmetically significant hair regrowth for XY's with pervasive baldness, things are bleak. It's probably not worth it for any XY except those who are OCD or suicidal about hair loss. It seems to me, that if anything, baldness is increasing in general among whites and even blacks, who average 25 percent white genes in the U.S. You see far less baldness in Africa and the Far East and virtually none among Native Americans. This probably has to do with their having less T and DHT in general circulating. The joke about bald men being "real males" is kind of true. They usually have incredibly thick and long-growing and impressive beards. There's no hair loss per se really, just a complete migration downward from on top to the face. This is an instance of extreme sexual dimorphism that Africans and Asians and Native Americans tend not to experience unless they carry caucasian/Semitic genes.
if i have hair on my head can i just keep it and avoid miniaturization and have a bit improvement in thickness with hrt??i only care about that at this point
 

sg2000

Experienced Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
321
my hair is still kinda garbage and diffuse all over(im taking multivitamin and a vit d supplement and a topical corticosteroid to reduce any scalp inflammation)just to see if i get any mild improvement in 3 -4 months
image.jpg
 

Esquire Janey

Established Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
53
my hair is still kinda garbage and diffuse all over(im taking multivitamin and a vit d supplement and a topical corticosteroid to reduce any scalp inflammation)just to see if i get any mild improvement in 3 -4 months
View attachment 190142
I'm not sure what your goals in life are. You are very, very attractive and I would kill for your hair. I am sure that women and men both are attracted to you but assuming you are XY and want to get married and have children, then dutasteride is key. You might be able to use Estrogen topically on your scalp and face as a local titration of estradiol that might not have significant body effects. How old are you?
 

sg2000

Experienced Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
321
im 25 just turned yesterday.I just want my hair and keep it till i die cause i got traumatized and got social issues thanks to my hair loss.I am heavly diffused btw
 

sg2000

Experienced Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
321
I'm not sure what your goals in life are. You are very, very attractive and I would kill for your hair. I am sure that women and men both are attracted to you but assuming you are XY and want to get married and have children, then dutasteride is key. You might be able to use Estrogen topically on your scalp and face as a local titration of estradiol that might not have significant body effects. How old are you?
im goign to have gyno surgery in the future so body will not be much a problem gyno is the major issue
 

Esquire Janey

Established Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
53
im goign to have gyno surgery in the future so body will not be much a problem gyno is the major issue
It depends on your goals. You have a somewhat androgynous look, facially and hair-wise. Battling hair loss can become all consuming. There are many things that can improve the situation especially when the person has no slick skin baldness. I think you should use finasteride at a minimum and that's probably enough for now. You might try adding gelatin to your diet and micro needling and oral minoxidil. Retin-A improves all skin in terms of aging from what I discern. I would not obsess about this except in as much as you want to prevent future baldness.
 

sg2000

Experienced Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
321
It depends on your goals. You have a somewhat androgynous look, facially and hair-wise. Battling hair loss can become all consuming. There are many things that can improve the situation especially when the person has no slick skin baldness. I think you should use finasteride at a minimum and that's probably enough for now. You might try adding gelatin to your diet and micro needling and oral minoxidil. Retin-A improves all skin in terms of aging from what I discern. I would not obsess about this except in as much as you want to prevent future baldness.
im gonna stick with dutasteride i cant imagine myself losing massive amont of hair again... i m even thinking to megadose it.I just want to keep my hair and get some good improvements in thickness and so on,so im using this crap, im heavly diffused and i want regrowth and keep it,this is my last dance and chance to keep my hair forever
 

sg2000

Experienced Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
321
It depends on your goals. You have a somewhat androgynous look, facially and hair-wise. Battling hair loss can become all consuming. There are many things that can improve the situation especially when the person has no slick skin baldness. I think you should use finasteride at a minimum and that's probably enough for now. You might try adding gelatin to your diet and micro needling and oral minoxidil. Retin-A improves all skin in terms of aging from what I discern. I would not obsess about this except in as much as you want to prevent future baldness.
my regimen is een injections weekly cpa 75 mg a week(25 mg 3 times a week) dutasteride and om daily and now ive added topical hydrocortisone butyrrate and supplementing with multivitamin and a vit D supplement
 

Esquire Janey

Established Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
53
im gonna stick with dutasteride i cant imagine myself losing massive amont of hair again... i m even thinking to megadose it.I just want to keep my hair and get some good improvements in thickness and so on,so im using this crap
See, I don't know what you are currently doing but dutasteride for life is your best option as a copulating male. You seem to be taking strong HRT meds so I doubt you will ever lose your hair as long as you are okay with the side effects. XY's rarely experience significant breast growth from HRT but I now have quite large breasts and quite large nipples that are huge for an XY and moderate for an XX, maybe a C cup and still slowly growing.
 

sg2000

Experienced Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
321
See, I don't know what you are currently doing but dutasteride for life is your best option as a copulating male.
at this point im not going to have child im gonna raise my sister's lol.Im gonna be selfish i dont care cause if e2 is going to help me in keeping my hair forever im gonna use it forever,im gonna live with a girl who loves me and thats all
 

Esquire Janey

Established Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
53
at this point im not going to have child im gonna raise my sister's lol.Im gonna be selfish i dont care cause if e2 is going to help me in keeping my hair forever im gonna use it forever,im gonna live with a girl who loves me and thats all
To me, the psychological effects of estradiol are liberating. You will have far less OCD especially about sex stuff. You will become less aggressive and nicer and far slower to anger. 99 percent of criminals are male. There's a reason for this and it's partly testosterone and mostly lack of intelligence. Women don't commit armed robberies at the local 7-11.
 

losingbattle88

Senior Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
2,918
I'm not sure what your goals in life are. You are very, very attractive and I would kill for your hair. I am sure that women and men both are attracted to you but assuming you are XY and want to get married and have children, then dutasteride is key. You might be able to use Estrogen topically on your scalp and face as a local titration of estradiol that might not have significant body effects. How old are you?
He is mental.
 

Esquire Janey

Established Member
My Regimen
Reaction score
53
There are always a few mascots on here with seemingly perfect hair. If they think they have hair loss issues, then there's a place for them.

There are some guys who seem to post pics that always seem devoid of baldness entirely where they constantly post pics and ask "how am I doing?" They often have child-like hairlines so go figure. Trannys who can't pass seem to do this all of the time too, from the opposite direction.

Trust your mirrors and your camera and check for baldness in the worst possible lighting. If you look balding in bad light meaning you see pink skin clearly underneath with mostly villus hairs then eh, you are balding in general. I used to hate this. I would look good in some lighting and then go into a poorly lit florescent lighting situation and it was clearly visible.

In general if a person thinks that they are balding, they are right because it's a painful conclusion that most don't want to admit to themselves.
 
Top