Leave Your Hormones Alone

sammy

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vq0 said:
DHT is not the culprit in male pattern baldness. Fibrosis caused by something that DHT does to the cell results in the attack of the follicle by your immune system and is visible as miniaturization. Is it not entirely possible that the cycles of maintenance and shedding on hormonal suppresants like finasteride and dutasteride result from our bodies compensating for an increase in testosterone. Suppressing DHT is a quick fix for a lifelong condition and even the celebrated 5-year propecia study shows that hair will continue to deteriorate. Bodily DHT deprivation is not worth the costs and lacks benefit unless you have BPH.

The only way to stop the balding process dead in its tracks is to stop the inflammation of the hair follicle. Suppression of DHT is one way to do this but there are many others. Below I have listed proven anti-fibrosis substances. Feel free to add to the list and discuss those I have listed. If anyone has had success with these please say which product you attribute it to and the rest of your regimine as well.

Anti-inflammatories
Essential Fatty Acids (Flax Oil, others)
Garlic
Emu Oil

Anti-oxidants
SOD (topical Cu/Zn and internal gliSODin)
SOD mimetics (TEMPOL)
Circumin
Grape Seed Extract
Green Tea
Fruits and Veggies

Could an anti-fibrotic regimine in combination with topical spironolactone be more effective than one based on hormone reducing drugs. I think it can and with products like Graftcyte selling for $150 I think there are people in the pharmaceutical industry that know this and are keeping quiet.

total agree with some of your comments, inflammation has a big role with my hair loss, i will be trying some new products with my next shave of my hair.

http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/discussions ... c&start=20
 

bubka

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sammy said:
vq0 said:
DHT is not the culprit in male pattern baldness. Fibrosis caused by something that DHT does to the cell results in the attack of the follicle by your immune system and is visible as miniaturization. Is it not entirely possible that the cycles of maintenance and shedding on hormonal suppresants like finasteride and dutasteride result from our bodies compensating for an increase in testosterone. Suppressing DHT is a quick fix for a lifelong condition and even the celebrated 5-year propecia study shows that hair will continue to deteriorate. Bodily DHT deprivation is not worth the costs and lacks benefit unless you have BPH.

The only way to stop the balding process dead in its tracks is to stop the inflammation of the hair follicle. Suppression of DHT is one way to do this but there are many others. Below I have listed proven anti-fibrosis substances. Feel free to add to the list and discuss those I have listed. If anyone has had success with these please say which product you attribute it to and the rest of your regimine as well.

Anti-inflammatories
Essential Fatty Acids (Flax Oil, others)
Garlic
Emu Oil

Anti-oxidants
SOD (topical Cu/Zn and internal gliSODin)
SOD mimetics (TEMPOL)
Circumin
Grape Seed Extract
Green Tea
Fruits and Veggies

Could an anti-fibrotic regimine in combination with topical spironolactone be more effective than one based on hormone reducing drugs. I think it can and with products like Graftcyte selling for $150 I think there are people in the pharmaceutical industry that know this and are keeping quiet.

total agree with some of your comments, inflammation has a big role with my hair loss, i will be trying some new products with my next shave of my hair.

http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/discussions ... c&start=20
goodluck with all that, funny though, finasteride and dutasteride actually reduce the hormone that causes the inflammation, but i guess putting goat sperm on your head works too, very natural
 

sammy

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goat sperm on your head works

You and your goat sperm every thread your allways talking about how good it is to drink - its your countries best hair supplement man i told you get off the Sh*t ....
 

Old Baldy

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I've been getting emails on how to make infused herbal oils with the hot processed method. It's EASY!! Here's my basic procedure FWIW.

****: There's nothing mysterious about infusing oils. People in India and America have been doing it for many, many years.

Just look up hot processing herbal oil recipes for the procedure. Look for the double boiler method because the oil never touches the heat source and the temperature never gets over 212 degrees F.

I believe emu oil can withstand 212 degrees F but never used it except to add about 5 percent to the final infused oil AFTER it had cooled down to a luke warm temperature.

I use common oils for infusing. One half is always an oil that is solid at room temperature, i.e., coconut oil and red palm oil or regular white palm oil that is solid at room temerature. Coconut oil is all you need in this category. I use red palm oil because I use it in cooking and spread it on bread, pasta, etc., instead of butter. Look for the coconut oil 76 for the solid type of coconut oil. It's very common and readily available. And I find it is very good for my skin and hair. It is greasy like emu oil though.

The remaining half is one-half olive oil and one-half peanut oil. Use the oils of your choice in this "liquid oil" category.

Using half of the oil that is solid at room temperature and some olive oil allows the stuff to harden in the refrigerator like a cream. I like that.

Use dried herbs at 25 percent of the volume of oil. So, if you're making 500ml (one pint) of oil, put in 125 grams of dried herbs or 4 ounces if using pint measurements. This is the most common ratio I've found used by the pros. This makes a STRONG infusion. Stir regularly as the stuff is simmering for 2 to 3 hours to mix up the herbs as they infuse into the oil. Don't let the herbs stay at the bottom for a long time. Mix things up regularly. You'll see what I mean when you make this stuff. No biggie.

Strain the stuff through cheesecloth when it is lukewarm. Throw away the grinds.

Read some ingredients in Indian herb oils for the hair. MANY herbs are infused at the same time without bad effect. I wouldn't worry about this at all IMHO.

ALWAYS put the infused oil in the refrigerator and you'll have to buy a preservative to use after the stuff cools down but isn't solid yet. BHT and Germaban IIE are good ones you can get over the internet. Especially Germaban IIE. You'd use only 0.5 percent Germaban IIE and maybe a half teaspoon of BHT in a 500ml concoction. Stir well for a few minutes.


Add your additional stuff (i.e., medications, etc.) after the temperature is down to luke warm. Not hot!! Mix well and store in the refrigerator. You might have to stir the stuff every 10 minutes before it hardens so the medications will stay equally mixed in the oil consistently throughout the concoction. You might want to buy some polysorbate 80 to help with the emulsification. But if you keep the oils at one-half hard oils at room temperature, you should have a hard cream with refrigeration. (Especially if you use one-half coconut oil 76 and one-half olive oil.)

Other plants with SOD activity are numerous. Look for those plants with high antioxidant activity like amla or amlaki. Do some searchs on Indian herbs, Chinese herbs, Western herbs, etc. It will take some time but you'll learn as you go along. This is the best way to get a handle on what you are trying to do.

However, with bayberry root powder, *****/****** and some amla, you'll have ALOT of SOD activity. Remember ****, SOD activity is not a cure for baldness just an important component IMHO. It ain't a cureall - LOL!!

You can also use idebenone instead of the stuff that violates a patent: (I don't know if it's as good but some dermatologists rave about its free radical "killing" power.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/... uids=17134415&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

However, in the end, making infused herbal oils with the hot process method is very easy and you should have no problem. Just use a double boiler (one pan with a little water covered by another pan that sits just above the gently boiling water, with a cover on the top pan.) Double boilers are very easy to find.

spironolactone. topical is metabolized in the skin and doesn't get into our systems based on studies posted by Bryan and Doctor Proctor. Emu oil should be good stuff with spironolactone. mixed in.

Good luck to all of you wackos!
 

michael barry

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For Blaze..........



Nizoral 1% Study Shows Benefits for Androgenetic Alopecia

March 04, 2001 - American Academy of Dermatology Meeting - Washington DC - Scientists working for McNeil, makers of Nizoral anti-dandruff shampoo, presented the findings of a study done on 1% Nizoral shampoo which has good news for hair loss sufferers. It has long been known that 2% prescription Nizoral has beneficial effects on Androgenic Alopecia (male pattern baldness). It however has been unclear whether the same benefits can be obtained by using the non-prescription 1% version.
In the study presented (see below), one hundred male volunteers with mild to moderate dandruff and somewhat oily scalp, were using, in a double-blind fashion, either a 1% Nizoral shampoo or a 1% zinc pyrithione shampoo, 2-3 times a week for 6 months.

Analysis of the different parameters set up in the study shows that the hair diameter gradually increased with Nizoral use (+8.46%) over a 6 month period, whereas the diameter showed a trend to decrease with zinc pyrithione use over the same period (-2.28%). The sebum excretion rate was reduced with Nizoral (-6.54%) while it increased with zinc pyrithione (+8.2%) over the same period of time. The number of hair shed over a 24-hour period was reduced by 16.46% with Nizoral and 6.02% with zinc pyrithione after 6 months. Finally, the percentage hairs in anagen phase increased by 6.4% and 8.4% respectively during the study time.

The results are similar to a previous study done on 2% prescription strength Nizoral where it was shown that use of 2% Nizoral yielded a 7% average increase in hair shaft diameter similar to what was achieved by the control group using 2% Minoxidil and a non-medicated shampoo.

So for any hair loss sufferer, this research clearly indicates that using 1% or 2% Nizoral 2-3 times per week, will have positive effects on hair growth as well as controlling dandruff. It is still unclear at this time whether it's the anti-fungal properties or the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole (active ingredient in Nizoral) thats responsible for the hair thickening effects, however because of the decrease in sebum rates as well, it is the authors opinion that the results are due to the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole.



Ketoconazale was also shown to shrink the size of sebaceous glands and lessen their output in men who used it 2-3 times a week and increase the diameter of their hair shafts in a six month study. The details of that study are in the resource library here at GourmetStyleWellness. Make no mistake, adding nizoral two or even three times a week can help add to the benefits of finasteride and lengthen the amount of time you keep you hair even longer.
 
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