life is over :[

[kneesitter]

Well i guess it's just good that we share our stories. I started losing mine 18 and i already had few other problems before. I have social phobia since childhood, and just general anxiety such as i can't apply for a job, can't get to know people, can't step into a plane etc.... and then i got male pattern baldness on that and at very young age. That was like i was already carrying 100 pound bag and when male pattern baldness showed up i got an extra 50 pounds to carry. Some words you say remind me on my self like i think every day now, i feel like cursed.

 

[The Rake]

Why don't you get guys just get hair systems?

I just don't get how you could let baldness affect you so much that you contemplate SUICIDE, yet you don't even consider all your options. I just look at sites like toplace and hair direct where people are wearing incredible hair pieces and are able to enjoy their lives without worrying about baldness.

And no, I don't wear a hairpiece. I've only recently started thinning, but I'm 20, get sides from propecia, so I'm stuck with a topical regimen and I'm weary about what I'm going to look like in 10 years. So I'm looking into hairpieces as well as treatments just to prepare for what may happen. Seriously, there's always a solution.

 

[The Rake]

So, in other words, you buy into the social stigma that all hair systems are "rugs" that look like crap and can't look realistic. Sort of sounds like the social stigma that surrounds rogaine, hair transplants (AKA hair plugs in the real world), and hairloss treatments in general. Kind of ironic, no? It just amazes me how much ignorance can permeate through a poster here given the nature of this site. That post is so damn ridiculous it almost sounds sarcastic.

And you're a complete tool if you wear a hair system, but spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to get a hair transplant that, most of the time, never really does make up for a full head of hair anyway? And then having to dedicate yourself more hair transplants and spending thousands more years down the road to make up for further hair loss? Or simply accepting your hairloss and then discussing online with other balding guys how miserable losing your hair has made you? Now THAT's the way to go.

 

[The Rake]

Rake, you didn't read my post very closely.

I read that "rugs" never look realistic. That's wrong. That they're overpriced. Also wrong. Pain in the *** to maintain. Don't have the experience to comment, but from talking with others and researching it myself and also using a little a common sense, unless you're extremely lazy or an invalid it simply involves getting used to it.

Basically, what I said in a nutshell is that BOTH rugs AND hair transplants (hair transplant's)are a direct indication of how insecure and vain a guy is about his hairloss. hair transplant's are NOT something that regular people (guys or girls) will respect. Neither are guys with rugs respected - they are laughed at. You think I'm joking? I'm NOT KIDDING!

Just don't get this logic. Working out, buying expensive clothes, styling your hair, getting a tan, etc. are all indications of how insecure and vain a guy is. Personally, I don't care what most people respect. If you have a good hair transplant or a good hair system it doesn't matter because they're not gonna know the difference.

Guys with rugs AND guys with BAD hair transplant's are laughing stocks and the BUTT of people's jokes.

If you're wearing a ridiculous looking wig or have a botched hair transplant then yeah, obviously, you'll probably made fun of. The same could be said if you're morbidly obese or any "abnormality" that people are able to point out. That pretty much goes without saying, doesn't it?

I say "BAD" hair transplants becuase "GOOD" ones are pretty much undetectable.

Obviously. But it's the same with "BAD" hair pieces and "GOOD" hair pieces.

In reality, most hair transplant's don't fool hardly anybody, this is my honest, down to Earth opinion on this. Neither do rugs.

And that's where you're wrong.

Using Rogaine and Finasteride make no difference - they are only drugs. I have used them for 10+ years.

They make no difference in the long term. In the short term, they can make a world of difference. Keeping the hair you have for another 5-10 years is not something to scoff at.

There is nothing "vain" about using drugs to preserve your hair, IMO. However, other people (normal people who don't have male pattern baldness)may not see it the same way.

Yeah, there probably is something vain about using drugs to preserve your hair. But if you care about the way you look in any way then you're vain to some extent. If you're a tool for a getting a hairpiece, then you're a tool for using drugs for your hair. And frankly, I'd rather be a content "tool" who feels good about himself than an unhappy bohemian who's constantly insecure about his looks. And I'm not saying you have to get a hairpiece or a hair transplant to be content as a guy who suffers from male pattern baldness. Some guys shave it off and are happy with it and even better themselves through exercise/working out/etc. But guys in this topic who are claiming "life is over" need to find some perspective.

 

[ClayShaw]

Why don't you get guys just get hair systems?

I just don't get how you could let baldness affect you so much that you contemplate SUICIDE, yet you don't even consider all your options. I just look at sites like toplace and hair direct where people are wearing incredible hair pieces and are able to enjoy their lives without worrying about baldness.

And no, I don't wear a hairpiece. I've only recently started thinning, but I'm 20, get sides from propecia, so I'm stuck with a topical regimen and I'm weary about what I'm going to look like in 10 years. So I'm looking into hairpieces as well as treatments just to prepare for what may happen. Seriously, there's always a solution.

A reasonable rug costs thousands per year. There's a reason not to.
That and the fact that if you're less than 50 and your friends find out... Oh boy.
People who contemplate suicide as a result of baldness have problems that go way beyond baldness.

 

[ClayShaw]

Rake, you didn't read my post very closely.

Basically, what I said in a nutshell is that BOTH rugs AND hair transplants (hair transplant's)are a direct indication of how insecure and vain a guy is about his hairloss. hair transplant's are NOT something that regular people (guys or girls) will respect. Neither are guys with rugs respected - they are laughed at. You think I'm joking? I'm NOT KIDDING!

Guys with rugs AND guys with BAD hair transplant's are laughing stocks and the BUTT of people's jokes.

I say "BAD" hair transplants becuase "GOOD" ones are pretty much undetectable.

However, I would say most hair transplants ARE detectable or somewhat detectable to a degree - especially to a trained eye, and most women (some men) are GOOD at spotting them.

The reason why most hair transplant's are detectable is that low density is always a problem. hair transplant's are simply a numbers game, and a guy with a more advanced stage of male pattern baldness (NW5-7, and even some NW4's) can only hope to achieve 50% density at best (on the average); which will leave him wearing a "glorified combover" the rest of his life - which will show major scalp right through his thin strip of hair, no matter how long the hair is. And that is with the "best of the best" surgeons.

So, in reality, most hair transplant's don't fool hardly anybody. This is my honest, down to Earth opinion on this. Neither do rugs.



IMO, even a lot of guys with "good" hair transplant's are laughing stocks as well, because of the low density that cannot be overcome in most cases - even after ALL donor hair is exhausted and used up to the max. For a lot guys who get hair transplant's, the low density makes their hair transplant's "detectable" regardless of who the surgeon is that does it. After all, even the BEST hair transplant surgeons can only achieve marginal results in a lot of patients (probably more than half). It isn't that they don't have skills, it's just that they can only achieve so much with the amount of donor they have to work with. For a lot of guys, especially with more advanced male pattern baldness, the donor supply is never nearly adequate to even reach 50% density.

Using Rogaine and Finasteride make no difference - they are only drugs. I have used them for 10+ years. There is nothing "vain" about using drugs to preserve your hair, IMO. However, other people (for example, normal people who don't have male pattern baldness, or "bald and proud" guys) may not see it the same way.

Couldn't agree more.
"Bald and proud" guys are the guys who wear it well, not the guys who can't shave their heads because their skin won't allow it. They can't understand why someone wouldn't want to shave their head and have their scalp/face/neck/throat covered with acne/in grown hairs/cysts/rosacea.

 

[The Rake]

A reasonable rug costs thousands per year. There's a reason not to.

Wrong. If you go to a quality hair piece company a good hairpiece only costs around $200. You're gonna need to exchange it every 3 months or so (this becomes longer as you get better at it) and then there's the cost of tapes/adhesives/removals/etc. But the better you get at it, the cheaper it costs every year. And even considering the amount of money a lot of guys here spend on hairloss treatments now, you're not gonna be paying much more than that. No one with a quality hair piece that I've seen spends thousands per year. Or even a thousand a year. You're talking about overpriced hair clubs.

That and the fact that if you're less than 50 and your friends find out... Oh boy.

That's really the only issue IMO, but honestly I don't really think it's that big a deal. And even then, after a while and becoming good at it, it's no longer an issue.

People who contemplate suicide as a result of baldness have problems that go way beyond baldness.

Can't disagree with that.

 

[Hope4hairRedux]

This isnt directly related to this thread. But what the hell, i didnt think it was worth creating a new thread for. its just a frustrating and depressing thought i want to share. We are all suffering together on here due to male pattern baldness, so in that sense this is related.

Anyway.. What i have now is this horrible sense of my looks running out. Im 20. started balding about 17 and a half. Been fairly slow and steady since then. Anyway, I am kind of getting there with it. i am beginning to accept it.. But right now i have this overwhelming sense that soon i will no longer have my looks. That will be it. I feel this burden on me. That i have no time to lose, I must make the most out of my hair before it dissapears.. Fucks sake.. I feel underpressure to get pussy the whole time. And the longer I go with out it, the more i realise the pathetic reality of being a human.

Why are we all here on this planet.. all suffering..We all going to die one day, and thats the only thing we no for certian, death. The rest of our lives we live like animals in cages, . We are constantly bombarded with symbols and ideas. We achieve momentary happiness through pleasures. But everything else is lived in confusion. Then we die. We die like we were born, with nothing, naked. And what was it all worth? What did it all mean? Why do is my mind so tormented?

If i cant f*** girls, then my time on this planet it worthless. Our only true action in this world is to procreate. This is the highest truth. It is to carry the human race forward. If i go bald. then this function goes. I am no longer of use to the human race. I become worthless.

 

[s.a.f]

Why are we all here on this planet.. all suffering..We all going to die one day, and thats the only thing we no for certian, death. The rest of our lives we live like animals in cages, . We are constantly bombarded with symbols and ideas. We achieve momentary happiness through pleasures. But everything else is lived in confusion. Then we die. We die like we were born, with nothing, naked. And what was it all worth? What did it all mean? Why do is my mind so tormented?

So you come here looking for the answer to the eternal question WHAT IS THE MEANING OF LIFE?
Sorry I cant tell you, but yes thats pretty much it we are just animals like evry other species on this planet. Why are we here? f*** knows.
But hair or not thats how your life goes - you're born you get older and you die. NW1 or NW7, tall or short fat or thin theres no escaping it.

If i cant f*ck girls, then my time on this planet it worthless. Our only true action in this world is to procreate. This is the highest truth. It is to carry the human race forward. If i go bald. then this function goes. I am no longer of use to the human race. I become worthless.

So procreation is the only reason we're here? Then whats the point of that? To ensure the suffering continues. You need to forget this sh*t.

 

[Thinneritgoes!]

A lot of guys are very uneducated about hair transplants and hair systems. For systems, thousands per year for a good one? Nope
Most are detectable? nope

Dudemon - you go on about how these show insecurity. But, hasn't hairloss made you completely insecure and it shows? May as well get a nice system and look better. They are cheaper and undetectable. Just do your research. The big companies are where you want to stay away from

 

[s.a.f]

Well maybe systems are undetectable to strangers but the thing that most guys cant escape is how do you go from visible hairloss to more hair overnight without freinds, co workers, neighbours, relatives knowing that you're wearing one. And theres always the dreaded realisation that it cant be kept from a partner.
Those are the reasons why 99% of bald guys dont go for the option.

 

[Smooth]

This isnt directly related to this thread. But what the hell, i didnt think it was worth creating a new thread for. its just a frustrating and depressing thought i want to share. We are all suffering together on here due to male pattern baldness, so in that sense this is related.

Anyway.. What i have now is this horrible sense of my looks running out. Im 20. started balding about 17 and a half. Been fairly slow and steady since then. Anyway, I am kind of getting there with it. i am beginning to accept it.. But right now i have this overwhelming sense that soon i will no longer have my looks. That will be it. I feel this burden on me. That i have no time to lose, I must make the most out of my hair before it dissapears.. Fucks sake.. I feel underpressure to get pussy the whole time. And the longer I go with out it, the more i realise the pathetic reality of being a human.

Why are we all here on this planet.. all suffering..We all going to die one day, and thats the only thing we no for certian, death. The rest of our lives we live like animals in cages, . We are constantly bombarded with symbols and ideas. We achieve momentary happiness through pleasures. But everything else is lived in confusion. Then we die. We die like we were born, with nothing, naked. And what was it all worth? What did it all mean? Why do is my mind so tormented?

If i cant f*ck girls, then my time on this planet it worthless. Our only true action in this world is to procreate. This is the highest truth. It is to carry the human race forward. If i go bald. then this function goes. I am no longer of use to the human race. I become worthless.

I dont think we will ever truly know what the purpose for out staying here, but who really cares? lets say you do know, will it change your life so significantly!? i doubt it.. you are here, you should be thankful you got an internet access that allows you to b**ch about your misery, i think as long as you are lucky enough to born in a "western society" (as appose to a 3rd world country) you get to choose how you feel, you want to be more happy? first define what makes you happy? go out with your friends? a trip? playing PS3? extreme sport? i don't know...do something that makes you feel happy... who stops you??? (other then yourself... or in other words, you are the only person between you and your happiness{however you define your own happiness that it}).

(ps: btw, i think that happiness = confidence, and confidence = attractiveness..)

 

[The Rake]

Well maybe systems are undetectable to strangers but the thing that most guys cant escape is how do you go from visible hairloss to more hair overnight without freinds, co workers, neighbours, relatives knowing that you're wearing one. And theres always the dreaded realisation that it cant be kept from a partner.
Those are the reasons why 99% of bald guys dont go for the option.

It's the same with hair transplant's though. I don't see how a guy can complain about being bald but at the same time refusing to do something about it because he's afraid what everyone that he knows might think if he actually does get an hair transplant, hair system, etc. It's a choice you have to make. Do you want to be bald or not? And I imagine at least some of the guys here that are complaining aren't bald yet. In regards to telling your partner, if she truly loves you she's not gonna care. Honestly, her reaction in finding out is a good indicator of how she really feels about you.

 

[s.a.f]

It's the same with hair transplant's though. I don't see how a guy can complain about being bald but at the same time refusing to do something about it because he's afraid what everyone that he knows might think if he actually does get an hair transplant, hair system, etc. It's a choice you have to make. Do you want to be bald or not? And I imagine at least some of the guys here that are complaining aren't bald yet. In regards to telling your partner, if she truly loves you she's not gonna care. Honestly, her reaction in finding out is a good indicator of how she really feels about you.

Well with hair transplant's you dont get hair overnight, but it is similair because its a secret to hide. Yes if your peers found out that you'd had hair transplant surgery they'd probably be shocked and some would take the piss, women would'nt find it attractive ect.
And yes if a partner loves you they wont be bothered by it but it still does'nt make telling them any easier or less embarrasing. And what if she's not cool with it and leaves thats still going to hurt.
Although if you only get a small hair transplant or FUE and it works out well it will stay pretty much undetectable forever.

Guys come here to vent about the frustration of being bald/ing most feel trapped as something beyond their control is happening to them. Nobody wants to be bald but for many it is'nt a choice theres a massive stigma attached to doing anything unnatural or out of your way to fight it. Meds is the first stage but going beyond that to a hair transplant or a piece is a hard step to take.
Its like someone who is ugly (and lets face it there are millions of them out there), why not just have extensive cosmetic surgery a full facial makeover?
And yes the majority of guys on here have hardly any visible hairloss at all.

 

[The Rake]

No wonder you're so ignorant on the matter. You can't even properly research my own posts in this topic, let alone the internet. And your logic is the equivalent of me saying "Every single person in Boston is a jerk! I once knew these 2 guys from Boston and they were both assholes!"

NEWSFLASH: Hair Club for Men is OVERPRICED, SCAM GARBAGE. A GOOD hairpiece is NOT expensive and you DON'T need to be rich to get one. If you're paying $1000's of dollars for a hair piece, it probably looks TERRIBLE. This post is shorter than the others, so hopefully you'll actually find the time to read it this time.

 

[The Rake]

Well with hair transplant's you dont get hair overnight, but it is similair because its a secret to hide. Yes if your peers found out that you'd had hair transplant surgery they'd probably be shocked and some would take the piss, women would'nt find it attractive ect.
And yes if a partner loves you they wont be bothered by it but it still does'nt make telling them any easier or less embarrasing. And what if she's not cool with it and leaves thats still going to hurt.
Although if you only get a small hair transplant or FUE and it works out well it will stay pretty much undetectable forever.

Guys come here to vent about the frustration of being bald/ing most feel trapped as something beyond their control is happening to them. Nobody wants to be bald but for many it is'nt a choice theres a massive stigma attached to doing anything unnatural or out of your way to fight it. Meds is the first stage but going beyond that to a hair transplant or a piece is a hard step to take.
Its like someone who is ugly (and lets face it there are millions of them out there), why not just have extensive cosmetic surgery a full facial makeover?
And yes the majority of guys on here have hardly any visible hairloss at all.

If a girl leaves you because you wear a hair piece, I think it's pretty safe to say she didn't care much about you to begin with it. Not enough to be in a relationship, anyway.

And yeah, I'm not gonna say there's no embarrassment if people find out that you're wearing a hair piece. And that can be embarrassing to admit. But honestly, I really don't think it's that big a deal. It's simply a cosmetic solution. I just think there's an unjustified stigma that keeps a lot of these guys from considering it an option. I see guys here whose lives have apparently been turned upside down because of their hair loss, and seem to think there's no other solutions besides an hair transplant and meds. I'm just trying to give another perspective on things. Hair pieces don't all look like crap and they in fact can be completely undetectable and can be another option to consider. Honestly, my original point isn't about touting hair pieces, but just pointing out that there's always options. I strongly believe hair loss can always be beaten.

 

[follicle84]

I was totally against hairpeices to begin with. However I've seen some pretty good hair peices that have changed my mind about possibly using one in the near future if it comes to it. I think if your like uman and not going to be able to get over hairloss then you might be better considering wearing one. Happyness is important to well being and you should do whatever it takes to make things right for you.

 

[The Rake]

DUDE! A girl who leaves a guy because she finds out he has a rug, is a normal female. IMO, Almost ANY woman is going to do just that - LEAVE a guy who is wearing a rug! Why? Because it shows MAJOR INSECURITY!

NEWSFLASH TO YOU (The Rake): WOMEN ARE NOT ATTRACTED TO GUYS THAT HAVE MAJOR INSECURITIES - PERIOD! NOT NOW - NOT EVER!!

Seriously man, if you don't understand that - you need help.

Dude, if you're going out with a chick you plan to spend the rest of your life with and she leaves you for wearing a hair piece- THEN YOU WEREN'T GONNA LAST ANYWAY- Don't you get THAT? Otherwise, if you're with a girl for the fun of it, don't tell her. She doesn't need to find out. That's the damn difference. And you're nuts if you think otherwise.

Uh, yeah, it is a BIG DEAL if your friends find out if you are wearing a rug. I know my buddy would disown me as well as the guys I worked with. They would have made fun of me till the end of time, and I would be the butt of their jokes for ETERNITY!! I know so, because this has already happened to me - for getting hair transplant's.

Same damn thing. If you're so worried about your friends making fun of you, don't tell them. If they f*****g "disown" you for wearing a hair piece, then they're not your friends and you're a whipping boy whether you have a hair piece or not. Sorry to say.

Then, you have "hair pieces" :roll: which are NOT a viable option!

Need I say more?

No you don't, you've made it crystal clear you have no idea what you're talking about. You buy into a world of social stereotypes without even CONSIDERING the validity of what you're saying. No knowledge, no research, no real insight. Just spouting the force fed bullshit you've decided to simply buy into because it's the norm.

 

[ali777]

Dude, if you're going out with a chick you plan to spend the rest of your life with and she leaves you for wearing a hair piece- THEN YOU WEREN'T GONNA LAST ANYWAY- Don't you get THAT?

That's the biggest BS ever!!!

You are saying, just because a man thinks of a girl as a long term thing, she's supposed to open her legs and shut up? What century do you live in?

I'm not as old as The Dude, but I have been around the block a few times. If she finds out you were pretending to be someone you aren't, she'll be out of the door in a flash. Especially at the beginning of a relationship, where both sides find out things about each other, trust and respect are very important. I mean, would you trust a girl who wears "chicken fillets", would you? Chicken fillets would be a huge turn off for me, I'd rather go out with a small breasted girl who is genuine.

However, if you get a hairpiece after you meet her, and she agrees to it, then it's a different story.

 

[The Rake]

Hey look man, I am 40 years old. I have had male pattern baldness since I was 17 years old. I have had 3 hair transplants. I have been around in the "hairloss" community for about a decade.

How old are you? Let me guess, you're another one of these "20somethings" who knows everything there is to know about everything. :bravo:

How many hair transplant's have you had? Let me guess: 0 :dunno:

Do you wear a rug? :shakehead: probably not.

So, "who" is talking out of their a** here? Or, maybe you really are pushing carpets? :dunno: Seems to me that you are.

Well that makes sense, doesn't it? You're still perpetuating stereotypes that may have been true around more than a decade ago, but no longer exist. Yet you still feed into them. And I never once denied anything you said about hair transplant's. I agree with your view on hair transplant's. And do you wear a rug? No. Have you looked into legit hair system companies and actually looked into hair system communities to see how they've changed? No. Have you even looked into on the Hair System board on THIS SITE? Which has all the info you need to do research about it? No. Yet you still continue to be adamant about denouncing something you obviously have no real knowledge of, even going so far as to think I'm advocating HAIR CLUBS, which is just ironic. :jackit: You're ignorant on the subject, plain and simple.