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[yetti]

It's interesting to read the comments of men teaching a woman what it's like to have a vagina and what's inside the brain of a woman.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

It's interesting to read the comments of men teaching a woman what it's like to have a vagina and what's inside the brain of a woman.

I'm sure you understand very well that introspection and samples of one are not always the optimal path to knowledge.

Introspection can be biased by cultural norms and lack of self awareness, for example people who say "I am not a racist." They're incorrect sometimes, you argue with those people, and I'm sure some tell you in response "how would you know you're not in my brain!"

Separately, I am not sure why you felt the need to be a to white knight. When it happens automatically like this, in the absence of any hostility in discussions, it can actually be toxic.

 

[hairblues]

Most likely since some women love psychopaths.

You don't make it in a shark-invested industry without being a sociopath.

t.

This is just 'ignorant' and not even worth debating with you.

Obviously you dont know anyone on this level so you are speculating and you are broad stroking whole genres of people you know nothing about, as usual.

 

[hairblues]

It's interesting to read the comments of men teaching a woman what it's like to have a vagina and what's inside the brain of a woman.

Certain men on here are very threatened by my opinions on men and women..It is not anything new.
They get uber defensive and reactionary.

I never dated these types of extreme men so it is not my own personal preference, but I know a lot of them, had conversations with many of them...and it is ignorant of these guys to brand all Wall Street or uber successful people as sociopaths' and its also ignorant of them to think all women work identical to one another in what they find sexually arousing...sexual desire starts in the brain.

also
You are being accuse of 'white knighting' yet these guys are CONSTANTLY 'white knighting' or sticking up for one another in these debates so its really really hypocritical for you to be called out by them for simply sharing your opinion or observation.

And the very context of what I said is it probably 'environmental'...so I dont know why people contribute if they don't read for full context.
Just petty.

 

[H]

I feel like you guys are all wrong its not money, social status or even looks that win a womans heart its........dancing. I've seen guys who were rich, poor, popular, unpopular, white, blue, attractive, guys who look like Freddy Kroeger, nice guys, and complete assholes make women melt into a giddy puddle right before my eyes by doing the same 4 moves in the same exact order all the while I'm at the bar slamming Fireball shots hoping the next one will shapeshift me into Alec Mazo.

 

[hairblues]

Speculating about people I know nothing about? Not really.

My best friend is close to that environment and he hates it with a passion.

These people have no morals and don't give a f*** about anyone but themselves.

After almost two years as a salesman, sure he's making a lot of money, but recently told me what he took out of it:

"It's all about looks and being able to take rejection", not necessarily about looking hot, but trustworthy, he has nice guy face so people sign the deal more easily.

It has little to do with skills.

He has gone out with these people and he was baffled by the levels of selfishness, narcissism and outward sociopath that these people exhibit.

But they were great at their job, unmoved by countless rejection (hint: this is not normal).

While my best friend takes every rejection to heart, he told me he had trouble to keep his composure sometimes when a client was like "no!" after developing months and months of negotiation, of relationship with them.

People who are successful in a shark-invested environment (almost all sales department) have to be sharks themselves.

But apparently, you admire those people. Well, I guess we all have our own moral standards.

Stop trying to assume that I'm pulling information out of my ***.

MORAL STANDARDS__Wow you are a hypocrite. LOL
You can't one day argue with me that 'health care is a privilege" when i say for millions of people are being dropped from health care in my country and then the next day be 'offended' by captains of industry who are cut throat in business.

LOLOLOL

DO I like and admire men and women who take high risk to achieve great success? Yes.

I think your friend has to get some thick skin and let his balls drop.

BTW you just described conservative capitalism in USA...so I don't know how you are so pro Trump if you think these are sociopaths. (who is actually a sociopath but if you thought that I dont know how you supported him so hard OR his policies)

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

To get access to healthcare, you need to contribute to society.

It can't be free, sorry. Is food free, what about water? Where do we stop?

Hey, sex should be free too! Basic need! Free sex for everyone!

Health care should be free or at least heavily subsidized on economic grounds. Insurance schemes are more efficient and more effective when the pool of people is larger, as that drives down costs and lowers uncertainty. Within the USA, there is a huge extra bureaucracy in health care due to the myriad number of separate insurers with separate rules. The European countries (and Canada) don't have that huge bureaucracy, they spend less money on health care, and achieve better results.

Water is free in a lot of jurisdictions.

Food isn't free, but heavily subsidised. Governments practice a cheap food policy via subsidies, in the USA there is also a system of food stamps which helps out poor people.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Most likely since some women love psychopaths.

You don't make it in a shark-invested industry without being a sociopath.

You usually don't go from low or average income to rich without making huge sacrifices that will most likely leave you damaged and unstable.

Nothing's free in life. Maybe that's my way of coping, but not many women seem to understand this when they say they want an ambitious man.

And then complain that he's never available, damaged, psychopathic, stubborn, etc.

That's why the best bet would be a rich guy who got where he is thanks to daddy, but that wouldn't make you vagina very wet.

Some people get lucky course. But that won't give you the tingles either.

I think it's safe to say that huge amount of money and status are variables you can take out of the equation.

You don't become rich from talent and hard work.

Look at Emmanuel Macron, from employee crunching numbers on Excel to partner overnight.

"OMG how did he do that?! So smart! So sexy!"

People gave him the position on a silver platter because that's where they wanted him to be. He's a lucky pawn.

No, you become rich and powerful mostly from luck. Being the right person at the right place at the right time.

I don't know what's sexy about that.

Kudos to Bear! Blackg, you can't deny this guy really is "giving this some thought". His posts are now as long as Rudiger. Ok sorry for the interruption. Carry on now.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Speculating about people I know nothing about? Not really.

My best friend is close to that environment and he hates it with a passion.

These people have no morals and don't give a f*** about anyone but themselves.

After almost two years as a salesman, sure he's making a lot of money, but recently told me what he took out of it:

"It's all about looks and being able to take rejection", not necessarily about looking hot, but trustworthy, he has nice guy face so people sign the deal more easily.

It has little to do with skills.

He has gone out with these people and he was baffled by the levels of selfishness, narcissism and outward sociopath that these people exhibit.

But they were great at their job, unmoved by countless rejection (hint: this is not normal).

While my best friend takes every rejection to heart, he told me he had trouble to keep his composure sometimes when a client was like "no!" after developing months and months of negotiation, of relationship with them.

People who are successful in a shark-invested environment (almost all sales department) have to be sharks themselves.

But apparently, you admire those people. Well, I guess we all have our own moral standards.

Stop trying to assume that I'm pulling information out of my ***.

My best friend is a CFO in a private equity firm he co-founded, a guy I went to college with is a VP with Bank of America, and so on. I assume that every intelligent person or nearly every intelligent person here knows a few people in finance, as it's now one of the largest industries, at least in the major urban centres.

 

[Trichosan]

Now and in the future male plastic surgery statistics might be ratcheting up if this is any indication:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-are-bolstering-the-plastic-surgery-industry

 

[yetti]

>I'm sure you understand very well that introspection and samples of one are not always the optimal path to knowledge.

Yeah sure, I agree, but I'm sure you also understand very well that some things don't need to be over-intellectualized, which is what I think you're doing here. We are talking about a man teaching a woman what it's like to have a vagina, saying things like "that wouldn't make you vagina very wet." Who knows more about her vagina, some stranger on the internet or the woman herself??? Think about it. Anyway, "the optimal path to knowledge" is a little grandiose for this topic.

>Separately, I am not sure why you felt the need to be a to white knight. When it happens automatically like this, in the absence of any hostility in discussions, it can actually be toxic.

I wasn't being a "white knight", a term I never heard before this forum. I think hairblues is more than capable of taking care of herself. And to be honest I think people should relax with the whole "you're being a white knight" thing, is it not sexist? To agree with a woman is not necessarily to be trying to "save" her. For example I know a dude posted here a day or so ago, many people attacked him, then many people attacked the people who were attacking him. One guy, or more than one, wrote a long, sentimental ode about how he feels for him. Were they "white knighting" the dude? Or just defending him?

I see that hairblues wrote pretty much the same thing above. Ya, exactly.

In this case, the reason I objected to what the Bear wrote (I wasn't referring to anything you said, as far as I know you have her blocked and can't even see her posts?) was because I disagreed with it. In my experience... which does not involve swiping right in an app (something I've never done) but does involve meeting and picking up girls in planes, clubs, classes, on the street, on a bus, etc, women are in fact very much attracted, sexually attracted, to power and status, just as hairblues said. And to use another word which I know is a "trigger", here... confidence. So "power" doesn't necessarily mean "king of the world", but it can mean "the aura of the king of the world". .....whatever, it's just another guys opinion, we're all entitled to them.

 

[DoctorHouse]

My best friend is a CFO in a private equity firm he co-founded, a guy I went to college with is a VP with Bank of America, and so on. I assume that every intelligent person or nearly every intelligent person here knows a few people in finance, as it's now one of the largest industries, at least in the major urban centres.

I only wish I had a degree in finance about 25 years ago. Instead I decided to get a degree from CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX and the WB/CW networks and other cable channels.

 

[hairblues]

To get access to healthcare, you need to contribute to society.

It can't be free, sorry. Is food free, what about water? Where do we stop?

Hey, sex should be free too! Basic need! Free sex for everyone!

Okay by my standards that is immoral...I have an elderly mother an elderly aunt who may be effected if this fucks over medicare--which it will since medicaid took some money that was allotted to medicare and used it for old people in a more effect way--NOw they are cutting medicaid without giving that money back to medicare...so the elderly are getting fucked.
Also the expansion helped elderly people keep there homes valued at up to 800,000 if they needed assisted living. In past they would take the home as an asset....

SO to me that is a lot more immoral view point you have there then ME thinking Harvey Weinstein or Micheal Bloomberg is a little more attractive due to their unique level of success in the world.

 

[hairblues]

>I'm sure you understand very well that introspection and samples of one are not always the optimal path to knowledge.

Yeah sure, I agree, but I'm sure you also understand very well that some things don't need to be over-intellectualized, which is what I think you're doing here. We are talking about a man teaching a woman what it's like to have a vagina, saying things like "that wouldn't make you vagina very wet." Who knows more about her vagina, some stranger on the internet or the woman herself??? Think about it. Anyway, "the optimal path to knowledge" is a little grandiose for this topic.

>Separately, I am not sure why you felt the need to be a to white knight. When it happens automatically like this, in the absence of any hostility in discussions, it can actually be toxic.

I wasn't being a "white knight", a term I never heard before this forum. I think hairblues is more than capable of taking care of herself. And to be honest I think people should relax with the whole "you're being a white knight" thing, is it not sexist? To agree with a woman is not necessarily to be trying to "save" her. For example I know a dude posted here a day or so ago, many people attacked him, then many people attacked the people who were attacking him. One guy, or more than one, wrote a long, sentimental ode about how he feels for him. Were they "white knighting" the dude? Or just defending him?

I see that hairblues wrote pretty much the same thing above. Ya, exactly.

In this case, the reason I objected to what the Bear wrote (I wasn't referring to anything you said, as far as I know you have her blocked and can't even see her posts?) was because I disagreed with it. In my experience... which does not involve swiping right in an app (something I've never done) but does involve meeting and picking up girls in planes, clubs, classes, on the street, on a bus, etc, women are in fact very much attracted, sexually attracted, to power and status, just as hairblues said. And to use another word which I know is a "trigger", here... confidence. So "power" doesn't necessarily mean "king of the world", but it can mean "the aura of the king of the world". .....whatever, it's just another guys opinion, we're all entitled to them.

Someone is just petty when it comes to many of my postings..I am on 'block' supposedly yet I am constantly being not so thinly referred to I was even called to be 'banned' due to my 'bald shamming' from a man who was desperately trying to 'age shame me' for months...meanwhile on brotzu thread we had 7 pages i think of several members bald shaming one another...where was the outrage? crickets.

@WhitePolarBear does not bother me because we disagree and we fight and we annoy one another BUT i dont find him to be petty and he does not really need anyone to back him up in his debates with me...but the 'cheerleaders' who just have a personal beef with me constantly coming to his defense (when he does not need defending he can take care of himself) its kind of transparent what is going on...so for them to cry 'white knight' they should really look in mirror.

I don't think chain smokers and morbidly obese people should be entitled free health care.

You knowingly f*** up your health and then want to use my money to treat your lung cancer or get a gastric bypass?

Nope.

You just completely bi passed what I said.

Many things besides obesity and chain smoking are effected--you are not stupid I know you know this you are making a lame attempt at an argument because I made a great point so now you are struggling.

BTW a lot of preventative health care has helped the situation in regards to those people costing tax payers...and you want to talk about moral with 'shark's your outrage??? THOSE are the people who will benefit most from this tax bill Oh sorry I mean health bill. Oops Freudian slip there.

 

[hairblues]

>I'm sure you understand very well that introspection and samples of one are not always the optimal path to knowledge.

Yeah sure, I agree, but I'm sure you also understand very well that some things don't need to be over-intellectualized, which is what I think you're doing here. We are talking about a man teaching a woman what it's like to have a vagina, saying things like "that wouldn't make you vagina very wet." Who knows more about her vagina, some stranger on the internet or the woman herself??? Think about it. Anyway, "the optimal path to knowledge" is a little grandiose for this topic.

>Separately, I am not sure why you felt the need to be a to white knight. When it happens automatically like this, in the absence of any hostility in discussions, it can actually be toxic.

I wasn't being a "white knight", a term I never heard before this forum. I think hairblues is more than capable of taking care of herself. And to be honest I think people should relax with the whole "you're being a white knight" thing, is it not sexist? To agree with a woman is not necessarily to be trying to "save" her. For example I know a dude posted here a day or so ago, many people attacked him, then many people attacked the people who were attacking him. One guy, or more than one, wrote a long, sentimental ode about how he feels for him. Were they "white knighting" the dude? Or just defending him?

I see that hairblues wrote pretty much the same thing above. Ya, exactly.

In this case, the reason I objected to what the Bear wrote (I wasn't referring to anything you said, as far as I know you have her blocked and can't even see her posts?) was because I disagreed with it. In my experience... which does not involve swiping right in an app (something I've never done) but does involve meeting and picking up girls in planes, clubs, classes, on the street, on a bus, etc, women are in fact very much attracted, sexually attracted, to power and status, just as hairblues said. And to use another word which I know is a "trigger", here... confidence. So "power" doesn't necessarily mean "king of the world", but it can mean "the aura of the king of the world". .....whatever, it's just another guys opinion, we're all entitled to them.

I personally rather go out with a man who actually makes films then someone who sits an analyzes them as a fan.

Or whatever the passion may be.

And some people making money is a passion it's does not mean they are 'sociopaths'.

And to be honest @WhitePolarBear classifies these people as sociopaths--thats his opinion--but he also admitted women are attracted to them....pretty sure he wrote woman are attracted to sociopaths...so if that is his definition (which is not true by most peoples standards) he still conceded the point ..some women are hot for them.
IE wet panties.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

>I'm sure you understand very well that introspection and samples of one are not always the optimal path to knowledge.

Yeah sure, I agree, but I'm sure you also understand very well that some things don't need to be over-intellectualized, which is what I think you're doing here. We are talking about a man teaching a woman what it's like to have a vagina, saying things like "that wouldn't make you vagina very wet." Who knows more about her vagina, some stranger on the internet or the woman herself??? Think about it. Anyway, "the optimal path to knowledge" is a little grandiose for this topic.

But I like being grandiose ;-)
As for human behaviour, no it's not simple, there are a lot of counterintuitive aspects to it, we're all vulnerable to cultural biases, so yes it's worth thinking about in a rigorous manner, even if we're just doing it for fun without implications as is the case on this forum.

>Separately, I am not sure why you felt the need to be a to white knight. When it happens automatically like this, in the absence of any hostility in discussions, it can actually be toxic.

I wasn't being a "white knight", a term I never heard before this forum. I think hairblues is more than capable of taking care of herself. And to be honest I think people should relax with the whole "you're being a white knight" thing, is it not sexist? To agree with a woman is not necessarily to be trying to "save" her. For example I know a dude posted here a day or so ago, many people attacked him, then many people attacked the people who were attacking him. One guy, or more than one, wrote a long, sentimental ode about how he feels for him. Were they "white knighting" the dude? Or just defending him?

Are you talking about the person who said that baldness is a death sentence? I was among those who defended him, I thought the attacks on him were completely disproportionate, and I know that they were a thousand times worse than anything in this thread. I'm in favour of new posters being given the benefit of the doubt (unless they're selling a product), so if you want you can accuse me of white knighting vulnerable new posters, that's fine. I am going to be honest that I have a specific agenda in doing so separate from general modesty and altruism: I hope that eventually we can expand the forum, so we should be welcoming to new people rather than using them as target practice. I plead guilty.

As for the defense being sexist -- your defense of HB was that she had a vagina. It was based on her being a woman. You might say that she's an expert on being a woman, and yes that can apply to technical things. In terms of behaviour though there are plenty of examples of men making misguided comments as to what it's like to be a man, of white people making misguided comments as to what it's like to be white, and so on. It's not a valid defense at all, but it was the basis of your defense, so yes you were white knighting her.

In this case, the reason I objected to what the Bear wrote (I wasn't referring to anything you said, as far as I know you have her blocked and can't even see her posts?) was because I disagreed with it. In my experience... which does not involve swiping right in an app (something I've never done) but does involve meeting and picking up girls in planes, clubs, classes, on the street, on a bus, etc, women are in fact very much attracted, sexually attracted, to power and status, just as hairblues said. And to use another word which I know is a "trigger", here... confidence. So "power" doesn't necessarily mean "king of the world", but it can mean "the aura of the king of the world". .....whatever, it's just another guys opinion, we're all entitled to them.

So why not write that instead? You can describe one of these instances of seducing a woman on an airplane where your power was one of your tools. Would that not be more persuasive, informative, and constructive?

 

[Dench57]

The NHS is one of the greatest things about my country. It has its flaws but it's overwhelmingly a good thing. I use it regularly as do my friends and family. I'm happy to pay taxes into it because I use it, have a disposable income, and think its a basic human right. I'm happy for others to use it too even if they can't pay tax. It should be a given in any progressive Western society. Guess that makes me a socialist cuck.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I don't think chain smokers and morbidly obese people should be entitled free health care.

You knowingly f*** up your health and then want to use my money to treat your lung cancer or get a gastric bypass?

Nope.

1) "First they came for the smokers";

2) There's a case for public health care that is independent of morality. It's an economic case. Health care is an insurance scheme, and it's sensible to expand the pool in insurance schemes as much as possible.

 

[yetti]

I personally rather go out with a man who actually makes films then someone who sits an analyzes them as a fan.

Or whatever the passion may be.

And some people making money is a passion it's does not mean they are 'sociopaths'.

And to be honest @WhitePolarBear classifies these people as sociopaths--thats his opinion--but he also admitted women are attracted to them....pretty sure he wrote woman are attracted to sociopaths...so if that is his definition (which is not true by most peoples standards) he still conceded the point ..some women are hot for them.
IE wet panties.

I know someone very well, a very successful and rich person who works in the NY financial world. From the time he was a kid, he was always just very good with money. He saved it, didnt buy anything, monitored his bank account. He's also the sweetest person you'd ever meet. Great father, not racist, unkind, any of it. He's honest and his clients trust him, he's conservative with his clients' money and invests it wisely, and this is the secret of his success. The Bear wrote that people get rich due only to luck and being handed $, this is absolutely untrue in this case and in the cases of many, many, many other people I know who did not grow up rich or get any special favors, but went to law school, medical school, business school, on loans, and worked hard for their success. No luck, and certainly no sociopathic behavior, involved...

 

[yetti]

1) "First they came for the smokers";

2) There's a case for public health care that is independent of morality. It's an economic case. Health care is an insurance scheme, and it's sensible to expand the pool in insurance schemes as much as possible.

It's also a self-preservation case. If the guy down the street with lung cancer is being cared for by the state (which yes, means a cent or two from your bank account), there's far less of a chance that you'll end up getting knifed by him for your wallet at 3am. A society in which people are not absolutely desperate for money and committing crimes for it is obviously safer for everyone.