Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

And no, using estrogen isn't going to completely destroy your libido if you're just using that alone after say using an antiandrogen sparingly at the beginning to get your hair growth back.

So many young boys during puberty have high estrogen which makes them look awkward and chubby but also have a high sex drive, I know because that was me, and so thinking you're going to destroy your sex drive with just estrogen is pure f*****g insanity.

 

[Isneezedsohard]

Yes

Hmmm. what would be the tell tale signs of upregulation? do we have a way to diagnose per say?

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

So do you still have libido? Or nah?

Not really. I got some of it back after adding progesterone. But it's still only like once or twice a month I'll feel the urge to have sex.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Dont. you think bioestro has a chance of going systematic?

I know it has because it has made my skin nicer and I've gained some weight, but my hair isn't in a terminal death spiral now, all I need is some other fine tuning and I'm going to be on the upswing.

Who f*****g cares, I will tell you fucks for the last time, I'm not even coming remotely close to putting in my body the levels of estrogen I've had previously in my body when I was younger. All I'm doing is not even coming close to replacing what I've lost historically due to endocrine and HPT changes.

This childlike fear, this "wild animal faced with a flaming torch" irrational terror of estrogen really has to f*****g stop.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

What will kill your libido entirely is androgen receptor inhibitors and blasting your body with estrogen, that will, but balancing out your test and e most certainly will not as long as you're not going ridiculously overboard, and trust me you will know. Your body will tell you when you've gone too far.

I still get woken up in the night with rock hard erections and a strong libido and I want that sh*t GONE, I'm 40 f*****g years old I don't need to wake up at 4:00 in the morning with a tentpole and feeling like I have to have a wank to go back to sleep, I want things to be balanced and I just want my hair and skin back to the way I had them.

I don't know, trying to deprogram men to stop being afraid of estrogen because they've been bullied by other men into thinking they're somehow lesser because they're looking at things honestly is really tiring.

The level of crippling insecurity imbued in young men from an early age is disgusting, I remember teenaged boys saying they felt "gay" holding their dick to pee, and well sh*t if I didn't it would be pointed straight at my feet because I don't have a tiny little cheeto dick that points outward.

When it all pertains to "masculinity" realize that most of what you've been trained to fear is f*****g bullshit.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

I know it has because it has made my skin nicer and I've gained some weight, but my hair isn't in a terminal death spiral now, all I need is some other fine tuning and I'm going to be on the upswing.

Who f*****g cares, I will tell you fucks for the last time, I'm not even coming remotely close to putting in my body the levels of estrogen I've had previously in my body when I was younger. All I'm doing is not even coming close to replacing what I've lost historically due to endocrine and HPT changes.

This childlike fear, this "wild animal faced with a flaming torch" irrational terror of estrogen really has to f*****g stop.

Well there is a strong possibility for gyno with E. If that's not a big deal or if someone doesn't mind gyno surgery than risks aren't as bad. But depending how much E/aa's one uses there's also a strong likelihood they won't have sperm, which may or may not be a concern depending on the person

 

[Almas]

No, Biclutamide is basically a gamble, imagine one of those board games where you have a timer and if you keep doing the thing the game wants you to do before the timer goes off and something happens... that's bica.

The "something happens" is your scalp androgen receptors are shifted to become sensitive and you're fucked basically.

I am going to use low dose cyproterone and estrogel, estrogel is 100% the safest solution, it might not seem that way because there are a lot of nancy-men who are scared by it, but you have to understand you don't aggravate androgen receptors by having more estrogen flooding the follicle, the androgen receptor just goes "oh well, I'm outbid" and does nothing.

But bica basically is telling the androgen receptor "you're not allowed to do the thing you're supposed to" and eventually it's like "f*** this I will anyhow" and it upregulates.

The truth is, keeping your test levels low-normal, and using estrogen is way way way safer and far better for your hair in the long run.

Are you planning to completely destroy your T with CPA and estrogen? If you want to keep your T above the female norm, won't it continue to destroy your hair?

You call cowards those who are afraid of estrogen. But you don’t understand that strong feminization can cause body dysmorphic disorder. This is not optimal for cis guys. Increased fat mass, facial changes, feminization of the brain.

I am not sure if Bicalutamide causes receptor hypersensitivity. There are a lot of rumors about this, but I have never seen MTF get sudden masculinization because the receptors became more sensitive.

 

[Almas]

The hell are you talkinga bout "feminized brain" that's not how it works. It's like saying i'm transgender because i have taken estrogen. If you can't understand this much you should not touch hrt.
Also combining NSAA and SAA are a bad idea according by those who tried it.

spironolactone allows you to lower the T level and work Bika more efficiently. I don't know if this is a good idea, this is the Ein circuit and only assumptions

People on HRT report mood swings, speech changes, and other changes associated with estrogen dominance. While I don't think I'm afraid of it, it would be nice if one could avoid it

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

spironolactone allows you to lower the T level and work Bika more efficiently. I don't know if this is a good idea, this is the Ein circuit and only assumptions

People on HRT report mood swings, speech changes, and other changes associated with estrogen dominance. While I don't think I'm afraid of it, it would be nice if one could avoid it

spironolactone doesn't often affect T lvls at all. It's a weak receptor antagonist

 

[Almas]

spironolactone doesn't often affect T lvls at all. It's a weak receptor antagonist

Yes, so I think it's not worth it. Better to add small doses of estradiol. I am trying to figure out what will happen with 1mg of estradiol. What effects will I get?
Although Ein was getting 100mg results before jumping on Bicalutamide
Although looking at his photo, I understand that his baldness was less aggressive. My baldness looks like @Jacob Williams, and even 100mg of Bicalutamide didn't help him

 

[Gergely]

Yes, so I think it's not worth it. Better to add small doses of estradiol. I am trying to figure out what will happen with 1mg of estradiol. What effects will I get?
Although Ein was getting 100mg results before jumping on Bicalutamide
Although looking at his photo, I understand that his baldness was less aggressive. My baldness looks like @Jacob Williams, and even 100mg of Bicalutamide didn't help him

Probably nothing for at least 8 months to be honest

 

[Almas]

Probably nothing for at least 8 months to be honest

2mg gives excellent regrowth, is the difference so high? It should be borne in mind that Bica already raises estrogen, so the same dose of E will work harder with Bica.
Well, if 50mg Bica and finasteride do not help me, then in fact I will have to jump on HRT, which is 50mg Bika and 2mg estradiol
Before that, I will remove the mammary gland, which will grow on Bicalutamide
On this mode, will I get a woman's hormones?

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Are you planning to completely destroy your T with CPA and estrogen? If you want to keep your T above the female norm, won't it continue to destroy your hair?

You call cowards those who are afraid of estrogen. But you don’t understand that strong feminization can cause body dysmorphic disorder. This is not optimal for cis guys. Increased fat mass, facial changes, feminization of the brain.

I am not sure if Bicalutamide causes receptor hypersensitivity. There are a lot of rumors about this, but I have never seen MTF get sudden masculinization because the receptors became more sensitive.

Not at all, I'm taking cyproterone 2mg, that's nothing compared to other doses used, and I likely won't go higher.

The cyproterone is to merely take the edge off my testosterone while my hair regrows with estrogen. Thinking this is going to tank my T levels is kind of insane.

Feminization of the brain happens during puberty, otherwise what you're talking about is the psychological effects of estrogen.

Wanna know what I've had to deal with? Being aggressive, a hair trigger temper and being willing to fight anyone who pisses me off, that's what my high T bought me, so yeah motherfucker bring on lower T and higher E, I've lived it before, I will live it again for the sake of my hair.

I went through some pretty legendary sh*t in terms of having a crap life is concerned and as a non-testosterone fuelled teen to twentysomething I did just fine without it, so there's that.

The facial changes are all good, my face does not look better with the dry, angular testosterone look, I very much prefer to have some meat on my face and some cutaneous hydration, I had mad b****s wanting my dong when I was younger looking like that, both young and old, so that's not an issue for me.

I don't give a single f*** about being skinny, barring being a bit chubby during puberty, I've been lean my whole adult life when I was 24 years old I couldn't eat enough to get to 160 pounds if I tried, being scared of a little extra body fat is f*****g pathetic imo, like I've said, as recent as 2018 I was in the best shape of my life, shoulders so wide from my delts being swole that I could barely fit into my shirts and hoodies, a washboard stomach, the whole nine yards.


NOT WORTH MY HAIR, at all.

I don't care about looking macho, I had more women pawing at me for my dick looking androgynous than I ever did looking like a "REALMAN(tm)".

Just get over the idea that if you're androgen sensitive, that you can choose between what you have been conditioned to believe is the apex of masculinity by portraying genetic freaks as the norm, or you can look your best and actually have hair and be desirable to women.

You have never seen it but how many MTFs have you actually seen? I haven't seen -that- many but there is a study that has indicated bica can cause it, and for me that is something I'm not willing to excessively play around with. How many trans people do you know who have failed? Because I know of a FTM who failed miserably.

Consider the amount of time you have on drugs like bica to be borrowed time that you don't know the extent of that you can use to get your hair in order before you shouldn't be on it any longer. It's not something to be relied upon long-term if that study has any validity at all.

But by all means take your chances, all I will say is that I will get everything I need to put my protocol into action and I will have my hair where I want it, and I will have zero regrets.

 

[Gergely]

Not at all, I'm taking cyproterone 2mg, that's nothing compared to other doses used, and I likely won't go higher.

The cyproterone is to merely take the edge off my testosterone while my hair regrows with estrogen. Thinking this is going to tank my T levels is kind of insane.

Feminization of the brain happens during puberty, otherwise what you're talking about is the psychological effects of estrogen.

Wanna know what I've had to deal with? Being aggressive, a hair trigger temper and being willing to fight anyone who pisses me off, that's what my high T bought me, so yeah motherfucker bring on lower T and higher E, I've lived it before, I will live it again for the sake of my hair.

I went through some pretty legendary sh*t in terms of having a crap life is concerned and as a non-testosterone fuelled teen to twentysomething I did just fine without it, so there's that.

The facial changes are all good, my face does not look better with the dry, angular testosterone look, I very much prefer to have some meat on my face and some cutaneous hydration, I had mad b****s wanting my dong when I was younger looking like that, both young and old, so that's not an issue for me.

I don't give a single f*** about being skinny, barring being a bit chubby during puberty, I've been lean my whole adult life when I was 24 years old I couldn't eat enough to get to 160 pounds if I tried, being scared of a little extra body fat is f*****g pathetic imo, like I've said, as recent as 2018 I was in the best shape of my life, shoulders so wide from my delts being swole that I could barely fit into my shirts and hoodies, a washboard stomach, the whole nine yards.


NOT WORTH MY HAIR, at all.

I don't care about looking macho, I had more women pawing at me for my dick looking androgynous than I ever did looking like a "REALMAN(tm)".

Just get over the idea that if you're androgen sensitive, that you can choose between what you have been conditioned to believe is the apex of masculinity by portraying genetic freaks as the norm, or you can look your best and actually have hair and be desirable to women.

You have never seen it but how many MTFs have you actually seen? I haven't seen -that- many but there is a study that has indicated bica can cause it, and for me that is something I'm not willing to excessively play around with. How many trans people do you know who have failed? Because I know of a FTM who failed miserably.

Consider the amount of time you have on drugs like bica to be borrowed time that you don't know the extent of that you can use to get your hair in order before you shouldn't be on it any longer. It's not something to be relied upon long-term if that study has any validity at all.

But by all means take your chances, all I will say is that I will get everything I need to put my protocol into action and I will have my hair where I want it, and I will have zero regrets.

Don't you think FTMs fail so often because they have sh*t tier 80 years old man T levels?

 

[Almas]

Ципротерон просто снижает уровень моего тестостерона, пока мои волосы отрастают от эстрогена

Then it turns out that T and DHT remain in the blood, estrogen compensates for them and they do not kill the follicles? Sounds interesting, but I'm not sure if this will work for hair. Too little knowledge about it

Feminization of the brain happens during puberty, otherwise what you're talking about is the psychological effects of estrogen.

Yes, I wanted to say that. I read that with the predominance of estrogen, people notice, for example, that they are less oriented in space. And on this forum some changes were noted. I don’t know if it’s good or bad. But it's better than baldness

Wanna know what I've had to deal with? Being aggressive, a hair trigger temper and being willing to fight anyone who pisses me off, that's what my high T bought me, so yeah motherfucker bring on lower T and higher E, I've lived it before, I will live it again for the sake of my hair

You demonize T. too much. It makes our muscles stronger, improves mood, and aggressiveness depends more on your personality traits than on the level of T. There are both aggressive women and calm men with high T, should we consider him the culprit?

The facial changes are all good, my face does not look better with the dry, angular testosterone look, I very much prefer to have some meat on my face

I am Asian, my face looks full even with a high T, so I would not want to get that. But in fact, after a few days I will remove Bisha's lumps to reduce the puffiness of my cheeks. Let's see what happens ...

Research

The research is carried out on cancer cells. I do not understand oncology, so I cannot comment

But by all means take your chances, all I will say is that I will get everything I need to put my protocol into action and I will have my hair where I want it, and I will have zero regrets.

This is the main thing. I wish you the best of luck, keep us updated

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Don't you think FTMs fail so often because they have sh*t tier 80 years old man T levels?

No, I think they fail because doctors (here at least) don't give two shits about the outcome, merely fulfilling their obligation to give trans people the hormones they ask for because the government will threaten their license to practice if they don't.

The one FTM I know failed because regardless of how much test cypionate they were given, they just got fatter because their body was aggressively aromatizing the testosterone into estrogen. That and their bodies simply weren't up to the job of the virilization they were looking for being exposed to testosterone. I mean -maybe- they could have asked for test solution, but then they'd be injecting themselves every day instead of every five days.

Giving more testosterone isn't the solution that's what the FTM did, and they just got disgusting acne, fat as sh*t and didn't look like a dude because they weren't on an AI.

In the same ways that it is possible the androgen receptor hypersensitivity might be a failsafe against transitioning or excessive androgen receptor shutdown, a biological woman being blasted with testosterone will likely have a similar reflexive response in trying to aromatize as much test as possible. The body doesn't know what the intended goal is, it just knows a woman is becoming un-womaned and the body is trying to correct what is happening.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I dont know how to recover from this without getting extreme feminization

I'm already on 1,25 mg finasteride ED.

Oh an btw... I'm 17 1/2.

 

[DogoDiLaurentiis]

Then it turns out that T and DHT remain in the blood, estrogen compensates for them and they do not kill the follicles? Sounds interesting, but I'm not sure if this will work for hair. Too little knowledge about it


Yes, I wanted to say that. I read that with the predominance of estrogen, people notice, for example, that they are less oriented in space. And on this forum some changes were noted. I don’t know if it’s good or bad. But it's better than baldness


You demonize T. too much. It makes our muscles stronger, improves mood, and aggressiveness depends more on your personality traits than on the level of T. There are both aggressive women and calm men with high T, should we consider him the culprit?



I am Asian, my face looks full even with a high T, so I would not want to get that. But in fact, after a few days I will remove Bisha's lumps to reduce the puffiness of my cheeks. Let's see what happens ...

The research is carried out on cancer cells. I do not understand oncology, so I cannot comment

This is the main thing. I wish you the best of luck, keep us updated

I know what levels of testosterone my body can handle, and after this experience I've been through, I'm starting to realize that there is an underlying balance that I have to maintain in order for my skin and hair to look decent.

Yes, I do not have an unlimited ceiling of testosterone tolerance the way absolute legends like Rich Piana did, he only started really losing his hair once he started using IGF-1 and growth hormone like crazy. My body does not work well with high levels of test, and trust me when I've seen guys who have taken steroids and it has adversely affected their mood.

I am a lot more cold and easy to snap on people when my testosterone is higher, and that's not something I need. I don't care about having limitless strength, I got -so- f*****g strong a couple years ago, my muscles would never get tired, strongest I've ever been and I felt like I didn't even max out my natural limit for weight lifting, but that does not matter.

Weight lifting isn't my life, I want balance, I want hair I want to look good and feel good as well.

If I were a roman gladiator and my life was killing people non-stop, then yeah I would care about that, but that's not what I want and that's not the life I'm going to have. I don't feel the need to put my strength on display constantly, I'm not going to be working construction or heavy industry anymore so I don't need to be stupidly strong.

I had that experience, not the one I want, I have a far better idea of what I want to tolerate for the sake of my looks and especially my hair.

Don't sacrifice your life trying to fulfill an archetype that does not resonate with you, and realize if you have a propensity for hairloss that hypervirilization will cause that loss to get worse.

I don't have anything to prove to anyone in terms of masculinity or muscle strength or anything like that, I want to live a happy, fulfilled life and look and feel good. That's it, I've got nothing to prove to anyone, I just want what I want.

All I can tell you is that you need to realize that hairloss is your body's way of telling you that you have a limit in tolerating certain hormones and that what you may aspire to in one respect may detract from another because of it.

 

[Almas]

Weight lifting isn't my life, I want balance, I want hair I want to look good and feel good as well.

I don't argue with that. I just pointed out that T is not an exclusively harmful hormone, you should not consider it the source of all ills. The problem is in our receptors, which respond inadequately to it
You leave the topic and talk about archetypes. It was not about this, but about the fact that you demonize T. Each hormone is good in its own way, you should blame genetics for such an inadequate response to androgens

 

[Almas]

I have incredibly oily skin, chronic acne. I understand you, sometimes I also hate f*****g Testosterone for that. We need to either lower it or block it. Bicalutamide 50mg should rid me of oily skin and acne, but it is unlikely to give me thicker hair. Icarus said that he got regrowth thanks to Minoxidil, and Bicalutamide only stopped the loss. My temples and sides are destroyed, so I don't want to stop but turn back

I'll give Bicalutamide a year and see what it does. If that's not enough, I will remove the breast and jump on estradiol. f***, I want to forget about baldness and get good hair, I'm so tired of doing the work of Sisyphus