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JaneyElizabeth

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I feel so hopeless that I am afraid that even estrogen will not help. I see people who have not been helped even by 100-150mg of Bicalutamide. Bicalutamide's only success is Ein, but he had great temples, he bald non-aggressively
And people like Ikarus used oral minoxidil
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I can't remember if we have chatted before about this, but I see you often. Can you say your age, when balding started and how much you have left? Estrogen to me is about having options to stop hair loss and it might be that people could cycle on and off. Using low amounts of estradiol, say .5gm to 2gm might still reset the axis over time and it's likely to be breast enhancing. So I have tried to come up with a "breast-less" protocol but it is impossible because the hair improvements tend to come later than the breast growth, at least initially.
 

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I can't remember if we have chatted before about this, but I see you often. Can you say your age, when balding started and how much you have left? Estrogen to me is about having options to stop hair loss and it might be that people could cycle on and off. Using low amounts of estradiol, say .5gm to 2gm might still reset the axis over time and it's likely to be breast enhancing. So I have tried to come up with a "breast-less" protocol but it is impossible because the hair improvements tend to come later than the breast growth, at least initially.
Hair thinning began at the age of 16. Now I'm 18 and my temples are receding, my sides are thinning - I have aggressive baldness over a large area, only the back of my head is not subject to miniaturization, but the worst of all is the temples and sides

Before jumping on estrogen, I will ask the surgeon to remove my breast completely. This will cause chest craters, but it's better than a woman's chest.
 

JaneyElizabeth

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@keepcoolmybabies you're over 30!? I would have guessed that you were like 23, max

Drop your skincare routine please
People often find that they look far younger. I had my beard removed at 55. Just doing that takes at least ten years off most MtF's. The hormones are also youth enhancing. If you go to some of the transition sites, it's as though doing this late is the best because you look so much younger. I am 56 and when I started I looked my age as a male at least. This is a very nice feature of HRT that MtF's know about but not many others. The skin changes have a lot to do with it too. Because a person's eyes open up, that is youth-enhancing as well. I struggle to find a single downside of being MtF but maybe there is some strength diminution, especially when AA's are used. spironolactone made me weak as a kitten and I bounced right back when I dumped it and increased estradiol instead.
 

JaneyElizabeth

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Hair thinning began at the age of 16. Now I'm 18 and my temples are receding, my sides are thinning - I have aggressive baldness over a large area, only the back of my head is not subject to miniaturization, but the worst of all is the temples and sides

Before jumping on estrogen, I will ask the surgeon to remove my breast completely. This will cause chest craters, but it's better than a woman's chest.
I am so sorry. At least I made it to 2nd year of college. Some of these boys are 13, 14 years old. Any of us MtF's or others can try to help you. If you bank sperm, that frees you somewhat if you want to produce children. I felt at 20 even that I wasn't done yet with my hair. I was barely past being a virgin.
 

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I am so sorry. At least I made it to 2nd year of college. Some of these boys are 13, 14 years old. Any of us MtF's or others can try to help you. If you bank sperm, that frees you somewhat if you want to produce children. I felt at 20 even that I wasn't done yet with my hair. I was barely past being a virgin.
I appreciate your help. I seem to have decided on my future regimen in case the current one does not help: 50mg Bica + 1mg finasteride + 2mg Estradiol. But I don't quite understand how to properly take estradiol pills. Or it might be better to take a gel. I see reports of some people failing to increase estradiol when taken orally. This is harder than I thought. And more expensive
Ikarus said that he takes 2 mg at once in the evening, does not divide the reception into 1 + 1 in the morning and in the evening
 

JaneyElizabeth

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I appreciate your help. I seem to have decided on my future regimen in case the current one does not help: 50mg Bica + 1mg finasteride + 2mg Estradiol. But I don't quite understand how to properly take estradiol pills. Or it might be better to take a gel. I see reports of some people failing to increase estradiol when taken orally. This is harder than I thought. And more expensive
Ikarus said that he takes 2 mg at once in the evening, does not divide the reception into 1 + 1 in the morning and in the evening
You know, for basic feminization, dosing practice doesn't really matter, in terms of morning or night. Half-life tends not to matter but there are a couple of steady state forms of estrogen, namely injections and the patch, which I use. KCMB uses injections and has great hair but I prefer not to inject. The patch is even more steady state than injections. If, and it's a big if, half lives matter to results, then the patch and injections might work better. Generally though, half-lives matter more for psychological effects than feminization. SL utilizes three to four dosing periods with very short half-lives but they don't feminize any more or better than others although they "think" it grows bigger breasts. For MtF's everything is about the boobs, like here, all is about hair. Many MtF's wear wigs anyway because our hairlines have to be perfect to pass since women's hairlines only thin but never erode.
 

Almas

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You know, for basic feminization, dosing practice doesn't really matter, in terms of morning or night. Half-life tends not to matter but there are a couple of steady state forms of estrogen, namely injections and the patch, which I use. KCMB uses injections and has great hair but I prefer not to inject. The patch is even more steady state than injections. If, and it's a big if, half lives matter to results, then the patch and injections might work better. Generally though, half-lives matter more for psychological effects than feminization. SL utilizes three to four dosing periods with very short half-lives but they don't feminize any more or better than others although they "think" it grows bigger breasts. For MtF's everything is about the boobs, like here, all is about hair. Many MtF's wear wigs anyway because our hairlines have to be perfect to pass since women's hairlines only thin but never erode.
As far as I know, the patch is inconvenient. It would be convenient to just swallow a pill. But that doesn't seem to work well. Then it is better to dissolve it before bed.
 

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As far as I know, the patch is inconvenient. It would be convenient to just swallow a pill. But that doesn't seem to work well. Then it is better to dissolve it before bed.
Keep the pill under your tongue for about 30 to 50 minutes
 

JaneyElizabeth

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As far as I know, the patch is inconvenient. It would be convenient to just swallow a pill. But that doesn't seem to work well. Then it is better to dissolve it before bed.
The patch can be if you wear two like me and it is also pricey. Estrogen in its different forms lacks a "better" ingestion method. It comes down to cost, convenience and interest in steady-state dosing. I used it formerly on my now voluptuous rear but that was a hassle. Now I place in the kidney area and it seems better.
 

JaneyElizabeth

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Keep the pill under your tongue for about 30 to 50 minutes
Yikes. I call the Power's people "pill-suckers" when I want to irk them. I would not want to suck on pills all day but it is cheaper and much. It also changes the meds half-life greatly although that rarely matters if ever for basic feminization externally. For your age, well for any age, Gergely, your knowledge is impressive to me.
 

Almas

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The patch can be if you wear two like me and it is also pricey. Estrogen in its different forms lacks a "better" ingestion method. It comes down to cost, convenience and interest in steady-state dosing. I used it formerly on my now voluptuous rear but that was a hassle. Now I place in the kidney area and it seems better.
Then it is much more convenient to dissolve the pill under the tongue when I go to bed. It's as simple as candy lol
 

JaneyElizabeth

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Then it is much more convenient to dissolve the pill under the tongue when I go to bed. It's as simple as candy lol
Yeah. That's SL which differs slightly from buccal which is more in the mode of tobacco dipping.

Chacun a son gout. Chacun a sa betise.
 

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I didn't understand anything, the translator can't cope
That is French for different strokes for different folks but it differs in that it takes a negative view of some choices.

Literally, Each person has their preference but some preferences are worse that others. A betise in French is a child-like error. Gout means taste or preference.

I forget you guys don't know MtF abbreviations. SL equals sublingual dosing. Buccal dosing is in between your cheek and gums, just like Skoal for those who dip, mostly in Scandinavia these days. Buccal dosing tends to be less strong than sublingual and is a mixed method for many or most since you end up swallowing a fair amount. Some of the MtF gals set alarm clocks so that they can dose four times a day. That's dedication although it doesn't make any difference to results.
 
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Almas

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That is French for different strokes for different folks but it differs in that it takes a negative view of some choices.

Literally, Each person has their preference but some preferences are worse that others. A betise in French is a child-like error. Gout means taste or preference.

I forget you guys don't know MtF abbreviations. SL equals sublingual dosing. Buccal dosing is in between your cheek and gums, just like Skoal for those who dip, mostly in Scandinavia these days. Buccal dosing tends to be less strong than sublingual and is a mixed method for many or most since you end up swallowing a fair amount. Some of the MtF gals set alarm clocks so that they can dose four times a day. That's dedication although it doesn't make any difference to results.
Sublingual is under the tongue, buccal is behind the cheek, right? It seems to me that both methods are very simple and convenient. I put the pill under my tongue and went to bed - what could be easier?
 

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Sublingual is under the tongue, buccal is behind the cheek, right? It seems to me that both methods are very simple and convenient. I put the pill under my tongue and went to bed - what could be easier?
Growing tits instead of hair lol

Jk
 

Gergely

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Yikes. I call the Power's people "pill-suckers" when I want to irk them. I would not want to suck on pills all day but it is cheaper and much. It also changes the meds half-life greatly although that rarely matters if ever for basic feminization externally. For your age, well for any age, Gergely, your knowledge is impressive to me.
You can call it that but i started doing that way before i know who he was. Also im a dumbass, but sure.
 

Almas

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Growing tits instead of hair lol

Jk
Boobs should not grow if gynecomastia is excised. In a year I should have gynecomastia from Bicalutamide. I will ask the surgeon to cut it out completely. When that happens, I'll jump on E
In the event that Bicalutamide does not help me solo
 
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