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Esquire Janey

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La verdad que tienes razon. Me sorprende que una persona Angloparlante hable tan bien Español, no suele ser la norma
Soy ciudadana del mundo. No todos los Americanos son brutos, solo la mayoría! Es solo preguntarme acerca de las fuertes raíces Alemanas en Espanha--tilde not working, lol. Pocos saben acerca de lost tribus que conquistaron toda Iberia y Africa del Norte. Fue algo extraordinario and nadie sabe porque la lengua vándala dejo de existir. Europeos hicieron malas cosas si pero crearon las historia misma en saber construir lenguas. Fue algo raro en la historia del mundo y los Españoles and Ingleses and Franceses and Holandeses and Portugueses llevaron las artes y las ciencias a todos lugares del mundo. Se orgullosa de tu país y los enormes efectos en el mundo. No llevaron pestes a propósito!
 
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That whole fiasco with the Spanish transgender actress was really interesting. I think the main problem was that she was enormous and didn't come close to passing or trying to even. That's not to say she isn't attractive but being attractive as a tranny is a whole different thing from being attractive as a female. The whole thing was such a surreal dopey movie even for the French.
 

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This appears to be the only active ongoing thread. I think that shows the state of male pattern baldness treatments. I think young men are giving up and perhaps they should. This is a lifelong and often fruitless and frustrating battle and even if anything works, it takes so long to work that it's hard to know whether to continue with the treatment or not but basically except for the handful that do at least something, none of the others work and they are a pain in the *** where you have to spread stuff on your hair all of the time and leave it there and they never do anything anyway. Zix anyone?
 

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That whole fiasco with the Spanish transgender actress was really interesting. I think the main problem was that she was enormous and didn't come close to passing or trying to even. That's not to say she isn't attractive but being attractive as a tranny is a whole different thing from being attractive as a female. The whole thing was such a surreal dopey movie even for the French.
What actress?
 

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That whole fiasco with the Spanish transgender actress was really interesting. I think the main problem was that she was enormous and didn't come close to passing or trying to even. That's not to say she isn't attractive but being attractive as a tranny is a whole different thing from being attractive as a female. The whole thing was such a surreal dopey movie even for the French.
Not all Spanish trans women are like stupid Karla Sofia.
 

Esquire Janey

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Not all Spanish trans women are like stupid Karla Sofia.
Presumably. There's a big difference to me between living as a transgender female and living in stealth if you are able. It's night and day in terms of experience. I would never go back to being openly transgender or claim that as my essence. I live as a hormonal female in a very close bodily approximation to cis ones even without any surgery. It's incredibly empowering but being out as transgender, you are always a sort of mascot and if you can't pass and don't have a schtick, it's a bleak, bleak lifestyle.
 

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PCOS is a tough nut to crack. Progesterone and its use seems to be almost indecipherable based upon my last wiki perusal. I never find anything substantive enough to latch onto at least in terms of the most "successful" transition possible that would come from P4 but cis-women might be different. I use P4 now but switched to taking it orally. I think it is largely likely to do nothing for hair growth and it might harm it.

I also doubt that it is necessary for the best breast growth for those seeking that feature. Even during pregnancy when I look at the entries it is obscure exactly what P4 is doing or causing.
AFAIK, there are a bunch of signaling pathways between Estrogen and Progesterone. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11115849/
Meaning they can regulate each other. Like in this example: Progesterone inhibits estrogen-mediated neuroprotection against excitotoxicity by down-regulating estrogen receptor-β
Progesterone may also have an antagonistic activity against estradiol, mediated through a decrease in the replenishment of the estrogen receptor, and also through increased 17 beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase which leads to accelerated metabolism of estradiol to estrone in the target organ.
For optimal breast development, you need both I believe. You just need different amounts of both Estrogen and Progesterone to try and emulate cis women cycles. Also, different ratios on different Tanner stages.
Is it used in IVF?
I believe, yes. Both with donor and your own eggs.
 

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Presumably. There's a big difference to me between living as a transgender female and living in stealth if you are able. It's night and day in terms of experience. I would never go back to being openly transgender or claim that as my essence. I live as a hormonal female in a very close bodily approximation to cis ones even without any surgery. It's incredibly empowering but being out as transgender, you are always a sort of mascot and if you can't pass and don't have a schtick, it's a bleak, bleak lifestyle.
It may be true that not living as a woman and having the courage to fight daily to be happy and be who you truly want is for everyone, it is only for the brave. Likewise, whoever decides to take the step and live as what they are is a constant war to give in to what people say or what is in your head, no one in their right mind would decide to be trans on their own. Besides, I see a certain fear in you, if your dream or you wanted to be a woman, you would do it even if your life depended on it, why repress that? I see that you feel more like a crosdresser maybe?
 

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I still remember some ppl telling me I was gonna get fat from low T and high e2. 3 years after I am as lean as I was on 1011 ng/dl T and 60 ng/dl DHT, just a bit of less muscle and more breast tissue. I weight even less now than before
Seems like a typical OCD/Hyperactivity issue, from which I suffered before reaching 30's. Might not be your case, but still a thing to consider.
You might basically be permanently in "NEAT" mode. Resistance to weight gain during overfeeding: a NEAT explanation
There's a good youtube video about it. Its in russian, but sutitles aren't too bad.
 

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@Adri23 im actually injectin 8 mg (0,2) once a week.If tomorrow i drop cpa should i lower or raise the e2 dosage?Also can i be good if i just take dutasteride and e2 injections without bica?
 

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AFAIK, there are a bunch of signaling pathways between Estrogen and Progesterone. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11115849/
Meaning they can regulate each other. Like in this example: Progesterone inhibits estrogen-mediated neuroprotection against excitotoxicity by down-regulating estrogen receptor-β
Progesterone may also have an antagonistic activity against estradiol, mediated through a decrease in the replenishment of the estrogen receptor, and also through increased 17 beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase which leads to accelerated metabolism of estradiol to estrone in the target organ.
For optimal breast development, you need both I believe. You just need different amounts of both Estrogen and Progesterone to try and emulate cis women cycles. Also, different ratios on different Tanner stages.

I believe, yes. Both with donor and your own eggs.
My viewpoint is that being exposed to things that might do marginal things is that you don't know until you try. Flutamide might tickle your hair triggers but only give me liver damage. I also agree about hormone signaling which might again be why massive beards are incompatible with desired hair growth. Removing one's beard could conceivably improve hair regrowth by turning off the link. It certainly removes almost all of the sebum and other garbage such as DHT that ooze out from the pores of the skin.
 

Esquire Janey

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It may be true that not living as a woman and having the courage to fight daily to be happy and be who you truly want is for everyone, it is only for the brave. Likewise, whoever decides to take the step and live as what they are is a constant war to give in to what people say or what is in your head, no one in their right mind would decide to be trans on their own. Besides, I see a certain fear in you, if your dream or you wanted to be a woman, you would do it even if your life depended on it, why repress that? I see that you feel more like a crosdresser maybe?
I am all for everyone being who they are but we have to make choices in life and looking bizarre to other people is virtually never a successful path to take. People tend to prefer to be around attractive people who don't have visages and clothes and the rest that are jarring. If I didn't look better and perform better as a human being, I could slink back to the other side like I do with my family by wearing big sweaters and jackets and ditching the wig. I'm no longer embarrassed to go outside as a male but I am much more attractive pretending or what have you, to be a successful, educated fit and attractive female. The psychological headspace is intense but it's not fetish-like. If it was a fetish to fear being a female, now my fetish is no longer humiliation. It's to be super hot and successful and fun to be around. Estradiol feels 100 times better than the OCD-laden male headspace. I could pretend to be male again but I couldn't survive without the hormones.
 
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