Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[GRme11]

CPA isn't the best for hair (or prostate cancer) in most cases, that's for sure, but it totally has its perks. I personally tolerated it much better than bica and used for far longer, more than a year compared to a month on bica, that made my stomach irritated and likely caused ACTH problems (this one Im not 100% sure). In the end tho, for me CPA caused hyperprolactinemia (on 12.5mg/d), which went away after 1 tablet of Cabergoline. After that I actually tried it at 12.5mg every 3rd day (b4 switching to GNRH) and it kinda worked out and prolactin was actually in ok ranges (around 550mIU/l while on 5mg EEn).
For the perks, the main one is better skin. Basically the same as when I was using progesterone, less dry, more tighter and glowier. Prog and CPA were actually the only ones that were giving me HRT glow. Tho, I'm not sure about the nature of that glow, could be both progestogen effect on skin elasticity and circulation and increased oiliness due to elevated DHT. So that might've been a DHT glow in fact. But, jokes aside, the best skin of my life was on progestins.
The other perks (well, at least they were perks for me, because I tried girlmoding at that time) were breast development and muscle/ligament/tendon atrophy (lost 2cm of height and 1 shoe size while on it). There are some interesting mechanisms behind those, but I didn't comprehend them thoroughly, mb later when I'll have enough time.
So, overall CPA can be manageable, but only on super low dose (12.5mg EOD ,or better E3D) and it requires monitoring of liver enzymes, prolactin and DHEA-S, and also some might benefit from taking Cabergoline once every 2 or 3 weeks. It's main advantage is, IMO, hands down, best feminizing effects, compared to other AAs.

Well, I am talking about hair here and only, and as you already said yourself, for the hair didn’t do anything and in the end it caused you high prolactin, like it does.

 

[Seanrutty]

Well babies dont have hair but they are cute. I am starting to age and I'm not as cute as a baby, also my face shape is dogshit that's the whole point of not going bald.

As long as you are not too sensitive to DHT and you have it in a decent range you are ok. I def dont think having my dht levels gives me any advantage honestly.

My issue is reflex hyperandro and yes it’s real.. back story im 41 now hair loss runs on my moms side.. at 21 I seen just the slightest and I mean slightest bit of temple loss.. freaked out got on finasteride this is 2005 so 20 years ago.. probably week 2 my sex drive went wayyyyyy up to the point if I didn’t jack off I couldn’t be normal and just tons of hair coming out hairline getting fucked and able to see into the scalp plus never ever will I forget being in the bath and seeing upper arm hair coming in and is still there now .. I kept going for some months then stopped went to the Doctor got on dutasteride but I was young and stupid so some days I’d take 3 dutasteride a day plus lasers.. over the past years I’ve tried finasteride dutasteride min oral min lasers ru58841 blah blah nothing has ever regrew or stopped sh*t.. so questions for the smart ppl on here is reflex hyperandro and permant thing?? Here we are 20 years later and my for the last 4 months it’s now .5 finasteride 3 times a week, oral min 5mg a day, scalp massager 30 min a day a really good one, topical min mixed with tren melatonin,and gonna add keto.. so far no results still shedding atleast 80 a day.. but this time around not getting the sex drive or itchy scalp so question is could I be safe from reflex this time around now that I’m 41 and talking it much lower dose or is reflex gonna happen no matter what???

 

[Seanrutty]

If you are really 41 as it says in your profile you will have no issues looking male despite using hrt. It will absolutely work better than dutasteride and minoxidil for example. But estradiol alone might not be sufficient for some ppl and they have to add dutasteride(or keep it if you are using it)

I suck at posting on here so if you have snap dm it I’ll add your and send pics of the hair

 

[Seanrutty]

 

[Seanrutty]

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Hairs mostly do this the root is far thinner the top.. reflex hyper still going on ???

 

[Seanrutty]

I suck at posting on here so if you have snap dm it I’ll add your and send pics of the hair

 

[Seanrutty]

 

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[Seanrutty]

My issue is reflex hyperandro and yes it’s real.. back story im 41 now hair loss runs on my moms side.. at 21 I seen just the slightest and I mean slightest bit of temple loss.. freaked out got on finasteride this is 2005 so 20 years ago.. probably week 2 my sex drive went wayyyyyy up to the point if I didn’t jack off I couldn’t be normal and just tons of hair coming out hairline getting fucked and able to see into the scalp plus never ever will I forget being in the bath and seeing upper arm hair coming in and is still there now .. I kept going for some months then stopped went to the Doctor got on dutasteride but I was young and stupid so some days I’d take 3 dutasteride a day plus lasers.. over the past years I’ve tried finasteride dutasteride min oral min lasers ru58841 blah blah nothing has ever regrew or stopped sh*t.. so questions for the smart ppl on here is reflex hyperandro and permant thing?? Here we are 20 years later and my for the last 4 months it’s now .5 finasteride 3 times a week, oral min 5mg a day, scalp massager 30 min a day a really good one, topical min mixed with tren melatonin,and gonna add keto.. so far no results still shedding atleast 80 a day.. but this time around not getting the sex drive or itchy scalp so question is could I be safe from reflex this time around now that I’m 41 and talking it much lower dose or is reflex gonna happen no matter what???

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[Seanrutty]

I suck at posting on here so if you have snap dm it I’ll add your and send pics of the hair

What one if you had to pick just one to use for my case Bica cpa or e2??

 

[Adri23]

The thing is if you dont want to feminize you will likely not regrow much hair. Antiandrogens does not give much regrowth, otherwise castrated men at lets say 50 because of prostate cancer would regrow lot of hair and it is not the case. Your best bet is to use estradiol + dutasteride + oral minoxidil + topical minoxidil with tretinoin to get the maximum effects. At your age your hairs has been miniaturized for a long time so it doesnt even guarantee lot of regrowth but that regimen i mentioned is your best bet to recover the most hair possible in your case.

I suppose you dont want extra perfection like some of us here that are completely mental about hair so even if it doesnt gives perfect result, at your age you should be happy

 

[losingbattle88]

The thing is if you dont want to feminize you will likely not regrow much hair. Antiandrogens does not give much regrowth, otherwise castrated men at lets say 50 because of prostate cancer would regrow lot of hair and it is not the case. Your best bet is to use estradiol + dutasteride + oral minoxidil + topical minoxidil with tretinoin to get the maximum effects. At your age your hairs has been miniaturized for a long time so it doesnt even guarantee lot of regrowth but that regimen i mentioned is your best bet to recover the most hair possible in your case.

I suppose you dont want extra perfection like some of us here that are completely mental about hair so even if it doesnt gives perfect result, at your age you should be happy

He says he dont want to feminize yet he looks like a total f***** xD

 

[Adri23]

if you end up going down the rabbit hole you will go insane and kill your balls DIY like i did

 

[Adri23]

Well, I'm not and I adressed my experience not only to you, mostly for people here who want to look more fem, even if they're few.
My high prolactin was due to CPAs cumulative properties, which you can mostly avoid by taking it every 3d day. To maintain this dose (most ppl won't even need to) you'll basically need to take 1 tablet of Cabergoline once per 3 weeks, or even a month, as I already mentioned.
Again, I'm not saying that it's a great drug or anything, but for ppl, intolerant to Bica (like me), this might be the only option (aside from orchi and GNRH) to nullify LH and/or look more fem.

Is an orchi thaaat bad tho if you are commited to keep estradiol forever? I rly cant see an issue on it, even if you like the aesthetics you can put some prosthesis

 

[GRme11]

Well, I'm not and I adressed my experience not only to you, mostly for people here who want to look more fem, even if they're few.
My high prolactin was due to CPAs cumulative properties, which you can mostly avoid by taking it every 3d day. To maintain this dose (most ppl won't even need to) you'll basically need to take 1 tablet of Cabergoline once per 3 weeks, or even a month, as I already mentioned.
Again, I'm not saying that it's a great drug or anything, but for ppl, intolerant to Bica (like me), this might be the only option (aside from orchi and GNRH) to nullify LH and/or look more fem.

Well, yes. In that we agree. If someone can’t tolerate Bica and he wants an oral anti androgen the next option is cpa/spironolactone.

 

[Adri23]

I'm in a constant process of analyzing all the pros and cons, don't push me. =)

If you are really going to be on estradiol forever there are no cons imo.

 

[Adri23]

spironolactone is trash and must be canceled IMO. All the people I knew that used it became dumber, and I'm not even kidding.

They got too much water retention in the brain and the neurons suffered from suffocation lmfao

 

[GRme11]

spironolactone is trash and must be canceled IMO. All the people I knew that used it became dumber, and I'm not even kidding.

I would put indeed cpa above spironolactone. It’s way more potent at least.

 

[Dav1234]

If you are really 41 as it says in your profile you will have no issues looking male despite using hrt. It will absolutely work better than dutasteride and minoxidil for example. But estradiol alone might not be sufficient for some ppl and they have to add dutasteride(or keep it if you are using it)

Looking at his you seem pretty knowledgeable with hrt estrogen, is there any drug you can take while on estrogen to lower prolactin and prevent gyno?

 

[Seanrutty]

He says he dont want to feminize yet he looks like a total f***** xD

lol dang bro that’s how we’re coming first time really posting on here and talking like that.. that’s keyboard talk tho home boy I bet any kinda money you’d never talk to me like that in person