Ot. Women Hypergamy Statement True Or False?

[blackg]

As someone who's had roughly 90+ first dates in his life, I can confirm this, with enough experience, you can definitely tell the difference.

Lightness, sweetness, trust, joyfulness vs. heaviness, cynicism, blank stares and distrust..

I'm sorry mate. But this behaviour could indicate many factors about a persons life.
To mindread and naturally think that black stares and cynicism must indicate a jadedness caused by too many sex partners/failed relationships is highly presumptuous.

Could these behaviours not be bought on by other factors in life that cause a general weariness and cynicism?
How about a naturally introverted, pessimistic personality type?

And to take cheap shots at @hairblues just because she disagrees with you is very petty.

 

[blackg]

The triggering was only referring to my phrase: "Casual sex doesn't exist for women."

Of course you'd have to be triggered by that statement.

Other than that, you're arguing that sl*ts and good girls have no observable differences in behavior.

And @redpilled and I just disagree with you about this and we've explained why.

Ah come on, the triggered gif was just to mess with you, stop taking everything that goes on here so seriously.

Oh and by the way:

I would appreciate it if you would stop using the word "sl*t."
There are no sl*ts in this world, only angry men who can't get them.

 

[blackg]

the only thing that annoyed me and it still annoys me is that he is all over the place.

YOU believe it's something you can see
@redpilled agreed with you at first then over pages he admits it's NOT something you can see and that it comes from knowing a woman.

It's not serious it's just f*****g annoying when this is the way people want to debate it's as BKFg said it's continuously moving the goal post.

What you think about woman is your opinion don't really give a sh*t. I don't agree you can tell just by looking at her but guess what neither does @redpilled
That's the point
Go back and read.

Home run, hairblues! You hit dem both straight outta Citi Field.

Don't come back, boys.

 

[blackg]

Introversion is a personality trait, pessimism and cynicism are not and often stem from bad life experiences caused by poor choices.

Poor choices like having too many different sexual partners as a woman.

Ah come on, your white-knighting is embarrassing, posting a "triggered!" gif is not a cheap shot.

Actions have consequences, choices have consequences, and I don't think being promiscuous as a woman ever has positive consequences.

You should just quit while @hairblues is ahead. Goodnight!

 

[hairblues]

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Seriously though, I'm not sure about what we're debating anymore.

Can we make peace for no reason @hairblues ?

We are not fighting we just disagree on this. It not even a 100% because if you read my post I said some people you can see sh*t on their face but not all or many women and I think you would be surprised.

Disagreeing on women and sex does not trigger me. I agree to varying degrees with you guys it's the 'absolutes' or counting on it it with such confidence I disagree with.

 

[swingline747]

Introversion is a personality trait, pessimism and cynicism are not and often stem from bad life experiences caused by poor choices.

Poor choices like having too many different sexual partners as a woman.

Ah come on, your white-knighting is embarrassing, posting a "triggered!" gif is not a cheap shot.

Actions have consequences, choices have consequences, and I don't think being promiscuous as a woman ever has positive consequences.

Fred, I like you but dis is some of the most retarded sh*t Ive ever read.

Introversion can be a product of depression, pessimism and cynicism. These are all personality traits which can be inherited.
Let me ask you a rational question? (we've been through this together previously).
How does YOU having a lot of partners mean its okay but a woman is not? Also HOW CAN you have a lot of partners unless a woman is also having multiple partners unless YOU are always going to be their first? What you are saying LITERALLY makes no logical sense. Men who dont want women who have had multiple partners (TO ME) are just insecure men who are not confident in their sexual abilities. They dont want to be constantly thinking how good they are compared to the womans last guy. Personally I could give a sh*t to any of it. Im confident in my sexual abilities, dont give a sh*t how good or bad the last guy was or the next guy will be. Its almost like you want the Islam view of a woman where you can have your harem of w****s to use and abuse, and its their fault for being infidels, while you have your celibate, virgin wife at home.
Personally I prefer a girl who has been around a bit, its just easier.
If its a poor choice for a woman to have to many partners than its also the same for a guy. It just doesnt make any sense where your thinking is. Thats just my piece, I honestly dont feel like doing a debate.

I also though agree, white knighting is f*****g queer and any guy doing it online should be kicked in the balls.

 

[blackg]

Fred, I like you but dis is some of the most retarded sh*t Ive ever read.

Introversion can be a product of depression, pessimism and cynicism. These are all personality traits which can be inherited.
Let me ask you a rational question? (we've been through this together previously).
How does YOU having a lot of partners mean its okay but a woman is not? Also HOW CAN you have a lot of partners unless a woman is also having multiple partners unless YOU are always going to be their first? What you are saying LITERALLY makes no logical sense. Men who dont want women who have had multiple partners (TO ME) are just insecure men who are not confident in their sexual abilities. They dont want to be constantly thinking how good they are compared to the womans last guy. Personally I could give a sh*t to any of it. Im confident in my sexual abilities, dont give a sh*t how good or bad the last guy was or the next guy will be. Its almost like you want the Islam view of a woman where you can have your harem of w****s to use and abuse, and its their fault for being infidels, while you have your celibate, virgin wife at home.
Personally I prefer a girl who has been around a bit, its just easier.
If its a poor choice for a woman to have to many partners than its also the same for a guy. It just doesnt make any sense where your thinking is. Thats just my piece, I honestly dont feel like doing a debate.

I also though agree, white knighting is f*****g queer and any guy doing it online should be kicked in the balls.

Thanks, I agree with 99 percent of this post.

 

[blackg]

Cynicism stems from not wanting to give one's life meaning or refusing to see any meaning in one's actions. It has not much to do with personality traits.

Introversion is one of the big five personality traits, it can be measured and it is mostly heritable.

Depression, pessimism and cynicism do not cause introversion.

Just like being pessimistic or cynical will not cause depression.

Depression runs deeper than that and is either caused by real events which happen outside of you (not having a job, friends, a girlfriend, a purpose, a healthy lifestyle, etc.) or by a genetic disorder.

I believe you're conflating a lot of notions.

I also believe sleeping around is also harmful for guys, but much less than it is for women.

In any relationship, you never want to be even the "second best guy" your girlfriend has ever dated. This is the main reason all religious texts strongly advocates virginity for women. They also ask men to remain pure by the way, but it is not stressed as much.

And I believe there are reasons for that, men did not pull these religious stories out of their asses, mythology was never random too, the archetypes found in mythological or religious stories are still valid.

Can you follow ? I guess my main point to your counterargument "but why does it matter how many guys a woman has slept with" is:

I believe that everything matters to an extent. The simple fact that we're discussing it should indicate that it matters. Now there are no easy answers, but arguments can be given to support each side.

I've been with several virgins in my life and I agree with you that some experience on the part of the girl is preferable, unless she has been with a guy who's better than you, that she perceives to be better than you.

Then that relationship is doomed, and this is why I believe a woman partners' count and quality matter.

Allah o akbar!

Yep, God is great.
Now, why the preoccupation with other men being better than you, either in the bedroom or as a companion?
That's not the way to approach any kind of relationship.

 

[hairblues]

Cynicism stems from not wanting to give one's life meaning or refusing to see any meaning in one's actions. It has not much to do with personality traits.

Introversion is one of the big five personality traits, it can be measured and it is mostly heritable.

Depression, pessimism and cynicism do not cause introversion.

Just like being pessimistic or cynical will not cause depression.

Depression runs deeper than that and is either caused by real events which happen outside of you (not having a job, friends, a girlfriend, a purpose, a healthy lifestyle, etc.) or by a genetic disorder.

I believe you're conflating a lot of notions.

I also believe sleeping around is also harmful for guys, but much less than it is for women.

In any relationship, you never want to be even the "second best guy" your girlfriend has ever dated. This is the main reason all religious texts strongly advocates virginity for women. They also ask men to remain pure by the way, but it is not stressed as much.

And I believe there are reasons for that, men did not pull these religious stories out of their asses, mythology was never random too, the archetypes found in mythological or religious stories are still valid.

Can you follow ? I guess my main point to your counterargument "but why does it matter how many guys a woman has slept with" is:

I believe that everything matters to an extent. The simple fact that we're discussing it should indicate that it matters. Now there are no easy answers, but arguments can be given to support each side.

I've been with several virgins in my life and I agree with you that some experience on the part of the girl is preferable, unless she has been with a guy who's better than you, that she perceives to be better than you.

Then that relationship is doomed, and this is why I believe a woman partners' count and quality matter.

Allah o akbar!

Religious text is made up by men putting rules in civilization. Rules they made up. Even if you are devout I am sure you are also modern enough to know these words did not literally come down from any Gods.

There are two things going on regarding sex
1. Societal rules
2. Biological instincts

It's possible the men who decided to implement these rules onto women for behavior and decorum, chastity, came from men who otherwise did not do well with women from the women making the biological choice.
It was not until we got into farming and stayed put in one place and created civilization these strict rules were put into women and I am going to guess some kind of commerce (even if just trading goods or services) where men were now able to gain some power with intelligence and initiative vs brute strength fir surviving a lion--that these men took steps to ensure that women were forced into societal compliance.

If women are the choosers biologically then let them choose.

 

[blackg]

Some of them would look me dead in the eye and say "you'll never be him!" when I would dare to express on shred of negativity about the guy.

Well, I'm straight out the door as soon as a woman says something like this.
If this anecdote is actually true, that is.

Seriously, I'm out. No matter how much it hurts (I still have alcohol).
She would be history.

Adios!

 

[hairblues]

Yep, God is great.
Now, why the preoccupation with other men being better than you, either in the bedroom or as a companion?
That's not the way to approach any kind of relationship.

I never had sex with a guy worried about my past lovers I don't get this preoccupation with the past

Even my first boyfriend was annoyed I was a virgin because he was 10 years older divorced and I made him wait a long time he actually broke up with me when he first found out but then came back. I had a (semi we did oral) chaste 3 or 4 month relationship in between.
Lol
It's ironic because I don't judge women and meanwhile I was the 'good girl' lol still am for my age. I'm very monogamous with men and like to connect with a person. But not everyone is like that. So I don't judge.

 

[hairblues]

Because that relationship will never work.

I've been in some of these relationships before.

No matter how hard the girl tries, she'll always resent you, implicitly or explicitly.

Some of them would look me dead in the eye and say "you'll never be him!" when I would dare to express on shred of negativity about the guy.

It's not a useless piece of information. When a girl behaves like this towards you, you can safely push the eject button to get out of that relationship.



Am I going to challenge that one? Oh yes I am.

Where do words come from? Where do these stories come from? How did we come up with them?

Religious texts are first based on myths, and where are myths or in other words, supernatural stories born? In our dreams, or in our imagination. Where do our dreams come from?

Just like we didn't pull those stories out of our asses, we didn't pull the idea of God out of our asses. And I believe it's more complicated than "we made it up to control men and women!".

Just some food for thought, I don't necessarily believe in god, I just remain open to the idea.

I think you are conflating being a rebound guy with multiple sex partners

Rebound guys are doomed. I think rebound women too.

 

[hairblues]

Because that relationship will never work.

I've been in some of these relationships before.

No matter how hard the girl tries, she'll always resent you, implicitly or explicitly.

Some of them would look me dead in the eye and say "you'll never be him!" when I would dare to express on shred of negativity about the guy.

It's not a useless piece of information. When a girl behaves like this towards you, you can safely push the eject button to get out of that relationship.



Am I going to challenge that one? Oh yes I am.

Where do words come from? Where do these stories come from? How did we come up with them?

Religious texts are first based on myths, and where are myths or in other words, supernatural stories born? In our dreams, or in our imagination. Where do our dreams come from?

Just like we didn't pull those stories out of our asses, we didn't pull the idea of God out of our asses. And I believe it's more complicated than "we made it up to control men and women!".

Just some food for thought, I don't necessarily believe in god, I just remain open to the idea.

No it's not fully pulled from asses just to control men and women

It Is mortal men who wrote these texts and also who transcribed these texts over time.

The idea of worshiping a higher power is very different from the rules of morality of behavior that stem from the Bible or Koran etc.

 

[hairblues]

It's not about judging, well it is to an extent (like stay the hell away from me!), it's about not getting harmed.

If I stay in a relationship with a woman for which I'm second best, third best or worse compared to her past lovers... I'm going to suffer.

I know this because I have suffered in the past.

To me it is now self-evident, if your girlfriend cannot tell you "only you can make me feel this way!", then you have a problem.

Again you are talking about rebounds I think

It's really weird regardless of the number of sex partners to say something like this to a person in my opinion.

This speaks more to the character of someone vs their sex drive or how they view sex with someone.

Virgins have no comparison it's not really a compliment to you. It's an illusion. They go on to have future lovers.

My first was also first c*** k saw I thought he was big at the time..until the next guy whose c*** I saw. When I wound up back with him I never said 'so and sos c*** was bigger than yours'. I would never say something like this to people I general.
I also thought my first lover was fantastic in bed....until my 4th lover who really blew my doors off few years later.
I thought that guy was best...until recently (current guy is phenomenal I don't get why but it's fantastic).
It's not taking away from these past guys but even if that is your rational it's only an illusion due to her inexperience as a virgin.

 

[blackg]

But where did they get the idea to write those texts? Where does speech come from? Why are men telling these stories?

More importantly, why do men want to hear these stories? Why do they follow them and identify with them with such passion?

Why do books/movies like Harry Potter or The Lord of The Rings sell like mad?

Stories which follow mythological/religious structures and archetypes.

Why are people in awe with stories that were "pulled from asses" as you say?

You have one hour.

Hahaha... "You have one hour." That very funny.

Speaking of mythology.. Even the original Star Wars series relied heavily on a religious/folklore type mythology.

 

[blackg]

Ha! I also know this because it works in reverse too.

With the girls for which I was the best, they still haven't given up on me.

They are indeed in new relationships but you see them lurk in the shadows, or they directly send you messages years after your relationship was terminated.

"Hello Bear! Come on water under the bridge, I want to know how you're doing!" Then you look at her Facebook wall and she's like "I love my boyfriend!" Sure you do, if I tell her to come to my place, she'll say yes in a heartbeat, her boyfriend.

My other ex is more subtle and will just post BS on Instagram like "I wish you would come back!" Like I wouldn't know that it's about me. She's now dating a hipster in his 30's who already has two children, clearly a trade-down compared to me.

So you see? It does matter, you can have future lovers but as a woman, you'd better make sure that they are better than your previous ones. If not, you can just use the guy as a rebound..

Belgium's most eligible lover.

 

[hairblues]

Ha! I also know this because it works in reverse too.

With the girls for which I was the best, they still haven't given up on me.

They are indeed in new relationships but you see them lurk in the shadows, or they directly send you messages years after your relationship was terminated.

"Hello Bear! Come on water under the bridge, I want to know how you're doing!" Then you look at her Facebook wall and she's like "I love my boyfriend!" Sure you do, if I tell her to come to my place, she'll say yes in a heartbeat, her boyfriend.

My other ex is more subtle and will just post BS on Instagram like "I wish you would come back!" Like I wouldn't know that it's about me. She's now dating a hipster in his 30's who already has two children, clearly a trade-down compared to me.

So you see? It does matter, you can have future lovers but as a woman, you'd better make sure that they are better than your previous ones. If not, you can just use the guy as a rebound.

For these girls it was no illusion and years later, it is still no illusion. It will be real until they manage to land a guy who's better than me.

I agree about your distinction between rebound guys and potential lovers. I guess every time this happened to me, I was a rebound guy who hoped he could be more than that. You should always know your place.

Not really sorry I don't see the connect you make to the # and this.

 

[Dench57]

There are no sl*ts in this world, only angry men who can't get them.

 

[swingline747]

Cynicism stems from not wanting to give one's life meaning or refusing to see any meaning in one's actions. It has not much to do with personality traits.

Introversion is one of the big five personality traits, it can be measured and it is mostly heritable.

Depression, pessimism and cynicism do not cause introversion.

Just like being pessimistic or cynical will not cause depression.

Depression runs deeper than that and is either caused by real events which happen outside of you (not having a job, friends, a girlfriend, a purpose, a healthy lifestyle, etc.) or by a genetic disorder.

I believe you're conflating a lot of notions.

I also believe sleeping around is also harmful for guys, but much less than it is for women.

In any relationship, you never want to be even the "second best guy" your girlfriend has ever dated. This is the main reason all religious texts strongly advocates virginity for women. They also ask men to remain pure by the way, but it is not stressed as much.

And I believe there are reasons for that, men did not pull these religious stories out of their asses, mythology was never random too, the archetypes found in mythological or religious stories are still valid.

Can you follow ? I guess my main point to your counterargument "but why does it matter how many guys a woman has slept with" is:

I believe that everything matters to an extent. The simple fact that we're discussing it should indicate that it matters. Now there are no easy answers, but arguments can be given to support each side.

I've been with several virgins in my life and I agree with you that some experience on the part of the girl is preferable, unless she has been with a guy who's better than you, that she perceives to be better than you.

Then that relationship is doomed, and this is why I believe a woman partners' count and quality matter.

Allah o akbar!

so you are saying being depressed does not have any relation to someone being shy or withdrawn..... I would say those are two common symptoms of depression. I would also wager you to be the one to take a handful of people and successfully diagnose. I dont say its 100% of the cases as some people are not depressed but could be autistic or any other number of "disorders" (and I quote that because I of course dont blame everything on disorders).

Depression runs deeper than that and is either caused by real events which happen outside of you (not having a job, friends, a girlfriend, a purpose, a healthy lifestyle, etc.) or by a genetic disorder.

Thats fine, that pretty much goes with what Im saying, it appears anyway.

As for religious stories and myths not being pulled from asses, yes most were and its laughable to think they werent. Most religious stories and myths were created to either explain naturally occurring events science couldnt at the time OR instill fear in people to behave the way a certain group wanted other to, IE men wanting to control women. Im no feminist and I think even you can agree with me on that point, but even "I" still believe the logic surrounding most religions. Actually its theorized that alot of the woman subversion in religous cultures was created to keep down the spread of STD's. Granted most men were still romping around with hookers anyway so the thought process on that is *** backwards, but hey, old world thinking I guess. Then again (after thought to my last sentence) meically its MUCH easier for a man to spread to a woman than vice versa, so maybe there was some logic out of trial and error to that but again instead of just abstaining all together, men subverted woman into thinking they were impure in the eyes of the lord and society for having partners. To the extent of physical maiming or even death.

I honestly have never been with a virgin, even my virginity wasnt lost to a virgin. The thought of it actually grosses me out, mostly on an emotional level but "MY LOGIC" has always dictated that a girl NEVER thinks back to her first happily. 90% of women actually regret it or talk trash about them. Id rather their #2 where I come in and just end up the better lover by defacto. Then I also dont have to deal with clingyness after either, but Im an a**h**..... I can admit that.

I also dont care to much about not being as good as some other guy in bed. Maybe were both the same ability wise but he just had a bigger dick, I cant help that can I? I got mine and move on. Im talking the past by the way.

I've been with several virgins in my life and I agree with you that some experience on the part of the girl is preferable, unless she has been with a guy who's better than you, that she perceives to be better than you.
Then that relationship is doomed, and this is why I believe a woman partners' count and quality matter.

This comment "kind of" reinforces my thought process defending just an outright lack of sexual self esteem. You shouldnt be putting that much stock into a possible relationship until you figure out how sexually compatible you are anyway.


I agree there are no easy arguments but stances are plentiful.

Mazal Tov (lol)

 

[hairblues]

The bigger the number, the more likely it is that among all these guys, she found one that was higher than you in the dominance hierarchy (determined by genetics, looks, personality, intelligence, potential, status, etc.).

You can't start a healthy relationship with a woman who has had better than you. As I've said, she will constantly be wondering why is it that she is settling for a guy who is less than the best she could do, and she knows this because she already had better than you.

Are you connecting the dots now?

I think this comes from your own personal experiences which I think is highly unusual to have these women say such things comparing you to other men.

You are underscoring it is a personal insecurity based on your personal experience from what they said to you.

If these women Never said this to you you would not feel this way.

I don't think most men are experiencing this UNLESS fighting bad and she just hurls it to be a c***. Like a weapon. I don't think most women do this though that's just ugly behavior.
Especially so casually. I don't think men do this either unless women is frigid or something.
I mean in my mind it's over to say something like this to someone.
When sex with someone has been disappointing I just end it. I don't torment someone or keep trying.