Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Adri23]

Yes and some reported rebound of adrenal androgens. I rly dont know how true is that but I was scared about what I heard so I tapered it off

 

[sg2000]

what kind of issues??

im taking it in a really strange way.I have the 100 mg tablets box,so i cut the tablet in 4 parts.i cut it just with the knife so maybe insted of be 25/25/25/25 it could be 20/24/17/19 Ffor example. at first i took all the 4 parts in a week and after the blood test i took just 3 parts a week,

 

[foy]

I never said any of those things but virtually no cis-females have dark voices. I don't support transgender people being in the limelight or taking controversial positions or playing with XX's. That was the stupidest idea in history and it greatly damaged all trans people and put them at risk. Nobody was even paying attention until Bruce Jenner changed his name and then the ridiculous 6' 4" woman on the Penn swim team that resembled Kramer doing karate with children. I am libertarian but very little good comes from highlighting all of this disfunction. Nobody could even tell unless they previously knew them, who transsexual women were. They were all required to take feminizing HRT and to get surgery and there were major gate keepers. Maybe those gatekeepers had benefits as well as negatives but....

This doesn't mean that a person can't actually become a female using hormones. You don't get pregnant or menstruate but visually you are cis looking and you are able to have sex three different ways. That's pretty close without any surgery. People relate to you as they perceive you so stealth is essential.

you are generalizing, not all trans women are Karla Sofia or Caitlyn Jenner, the vast majority of trans people go unnoticed and want to live a quiet life in the shadows, it is silly to say all this saying that women should not have controversial positions, without the trans community surely you would not have hormones today, or without the trans struggle you would be killed today for being an LGBT person. I think that no one should look like a diva as you have said before and I agree, but everything else is stupid, Karla Sofia or Caitlyn do not represent me, I feel identified with any cis woman who wears a wide sweatshirt with a bow and wears eyeliner

 

[sg2000]

Yes and some reported rebound of adrenal androgens. I rly dont know how true is that but I was scared about what I heard so I tapered it off

do you really think that if i quit cpa now im not going to recover and be stuck with the diffuse forevaa????

 

[Esquire Janey]

AA's, not including aromatase-purging ones appear to be jarring to the system particularly for people not using estrogen. In the early days of the blog and in my own experience, such sheds could be harrowing.

 

[Esquire Janey]

you are generalizing, not all trans women are Karla Sofia or Caitlyn Jenner, the vast majority of trans people go unnoticed and want to live a quiet life in the shadows, it is silly to say all this saying that women should not have controversial positions, without the trans community surely you would not have hormones today, or without the trans struggle you would be killed today for being an LGBT person. I think that no one should look like a diva as you have said before and I agree, but everything else is stupid, Karla Sofia or Caitlyn do not represent me, I feel identified with any cis woman who wears a wide sweatshirt with a bow and wears eyeliner

I honestly don't feel strongly either way about any of this. Live and let live but I hear cis people saying degrading things about transgender females all of the time and they don't appear to be referring to me. I'm bored with the non-binary thing which is what started causing major problems for women living in stealth. Nobody ever objected to transsexual women in the locker room because nobody knew that they were. Nobody wants Non-Binary Bobby showering next to them in either locker room. If I showered in the men's locker room now, it would cause a riot and I would be at least, temporarily arrested or in danger of violence or harassment.

 

[Adri23]

im taking it in a really strange way.I have the 100 mg tablets box,so i cut the tablet in 4 parts.i cut it just with the knife so maybe insted of be 25/25/25/25 it could be 20/24/17/19 Ffor example. at first i took all the 4 parts in a week and after the blood test i took just 3 parts a week,

Try to take two for few weeks then stop

do you really think that if i quit cpa now im not going to recover and be stuck with the diffuse forevaa????

No, just might experience some shedding but everything will be better with lower prolactin for sure

 

[Esquire Janey]

do you really think that if i quit cpa now im not going to recover and be stuck with the diffuse forevaa????

Nobody knows the answer to that nor does anyone think that, to my knowledge. We aren't gypsies. To my knowledge, there is zero evidence that obsessing over HRT leads to better results. We don't have the knowledge to find any way that works better than estrogen and maybe an AA or 2. I go on the Powers site and all of them have tiny boobs and crummy hair in spite of his formula and all of the other marginal things that they conjecture and try. I can basically guarantee you that nothing works better for hair than estradiol-only which is a term of art. Why bother with trying to adjust all of this other superfluous irrelevant stuff? But I see it every single time on the Powers site. It's almost like a cult over there. Estradiol-only works best and is the healthiest of all methods when not swallowed. I don't get this continuous pursuit of things where we have no evidence that they even work. Changing your AA is not going to make any difference at all to your hair.

These are selection issues with the Powers site meaning that the people who get great results move on. Powers gets stuck with the heartbroken, boobless,hairless more masculine women and then they all obsess together over how to turn people simply not getting "results" on. It doesn't work but you might think that these things do after reading umpteen prolactin entries posted ad naseum on his site. Every single time someone mentions prolactin related to either breast size or hair growth, my eyes roll back into their sockets at the oblivion of the discussion.

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This is bringing me back to years ago. MtF's setting alarm clocks so they could wake up and suck on an estrogen pill under their tongue. They would obsess about estrone vs. estradiol and how to avoid the wrong proportion. None of this stuff works and it's creepy and obsessive. Here is a recent post:

Ways to lower estrone without switching estradiol ROA?​

I always see people talking about switching to sublingual or injections or whatever, but I’m in a situation where I’ve tried all and oral is the only form of estrogen my body will accept (coming from 2 years of trying different things), so I’m wondering, is there a way to reduce estrone if I’m unable to switch to different methods? Because I feel like that would help my meds work better. Possibly a supplement, or a medication to supplement the oral estrogen? thank you!

 

[foy]

I honestly don't feel strongly either way about any of this. Live and let live but I hear cis people saying degrading things about transgender females all of the time and they don't appear to be referring to me. I'm bored with the non-binary thing which is what started causing major problems for women living in stealth. Nobody ever objected to transsexual women in the locker room because nobody knew that they were. Nobody wants Non-Binary Bobby showering next to them in either locker room. If I showered in the men's locker room now, it would cause a riot and I would be at least, temporarily arrested or in danger of violence or harassment.

not coming out of the closet and not making the social transition because of what people think is your responsibility, and it seems like absolute nonsense to me. Do you care so much what people think that you would live your entire life not being yourself? What does it matter what some cis women say, trans people have been hated all our lives for the simple fact of existing. It's bullshit that you live in a closet forever and continue hiding because of what they will say. And no, don't blame it on the non-binary gender because it has nothing to do with it, the rejection of the trans community has always existed and long before the non-binary terminology existed. You are promoting hatred just like the cis people you complain about and for which you cannot be free. Live your life yes. No matter what people say, it's your life not theirs, and even if you don't believe it, they are going to discriminate against you for one thing or another and you go. Live unhappily forever because of what people will say about four dumb, rich daddy's girls and five bald guys who vote for Trump.

 

[Esquire Janey]

not coming out of the closet and not making the social transition because of what people think is your responsibility, and it seems like absolute nonsense to me. Do you care so much what people think that you would live your entire life not being yourself? What does it matter what some cis women say, trans people have been hated all our lives for the simple fact of existing. It's bullshit that you live in a closet forever and continue hiding because of what they will say. And no, don't blame it on the non-binary gender because it has nothing to do with it, the rejection of the trans community has always existed and long before the non-binary terminology existed. You are promoting hatred just like the cis people you complain about and for which you cannot be free. Live your life yes. No matter what people say, it's your life not theirs, and even if you don't believe it, they are going to discriminate against you for one thing or another and you go. Live unhappily forever because of what people will say about four dumb, rich daddy's girls and five bald guys who vote for Trump.

None of that means anything to me nor does it have anything to do with me. I didn't vote for Trump. I voted libertarian.

 

[sg2000]

@Adri23 was your hair on cpa worse than when dht spiked after upping bica?

 

[Adri23]

@Adri23 was your hair on cpa worse than when dht spiked after upping bica?

Definitely worse. My dht spiked more on cpa than on bica. Not only dht but Dhea-S. Probably androstenedione too but sadly i didnt measure it when I was on cpa

 

[Esquire Janey]

I love this post from Powers. I am taking medication that destroys all scalp hair to transition from female to male and my treatment sucks because it causes huge amounts of hair loss which none of the other "men" in my family experienced until 20 years later. Um. Being slick bald is as male as it gets, Sir and yet you still whine like a girl:

FTM Hormone Treatment should be Improved​

I feel that the standard FTM Hormone treatment is not optimal for our bodies.
My reasoning is the extremely high rate of persistent acne (even accounting for a full second puberty spanning multiple years) and the accelerated and/or high rate of balding.
I have dealt with persistent acne for nearly ten years since starting testosterone. No, I will not take accutane, because I know someone who suffered eye damage from it.
I am balding 20 years earlier than ANY man from BOTH sides of my family. This can't be explained by the XX gene carrier reasoning that is usually used.
How many cis men have you seen with acne and balding at the same time? I'm sure there are some, but the frequency of this occurrence in cis men is magnitudes lower by percentage than FTMs (anecdotal, but I'm sure a study would agree).
If this disproportionate negative effect is externally visible, then what is happening inside our bodies? We deserve better than this, there need to be more studies and probably a broader regimen.
MTFs get multiple medications for correct control. We just get standard T like cis men, who have more DHT receptor sites like the prostate. There is no control or modification for our physiology unlike in MTFs.
Edit: That was not intended as a side swipe. I really felt envious seeing MTFs "get all these things" estradiol, prog, blockers, while we get one thing. No E blocking is provided for us.

 

[Adri23]

I love this post from Powers. I am taking medication that destroys all scalp hair to transition from female to male and my treatment sucks because it causes huge amounts of hair loss which none of the other "men" in my family experienced until 20 years later. Um. Being slick bald is as male as it gets, Sir and yet you still whine like a girl:

FTM Hormone Treatment should be Improved​

I feel that the standard FTM Hormone treatment is not optimal for our bodies.
My reasoning is the extremely high rate of persistent acne (even accounting for a full second puberty spanning multiple years) and the accelerated and/or high rate of balding.
I have dealt with persistent acne for nearly ten years since starting testosterone. No, I will not take accutane, because I know someone who suffered eye damage from it.
I am balding 20 years earlier than ANY man from BOTH sides of my family. This can't be explained by the XX gene carrier reasoning that is usually used.
How many cis men have you seen with acne and balding at the same time? I'm sure there are some, but the frequency of this occurrence in cis men is magnitudes lower by percentage than FTMs (anecdotal, but I'm sure a study would agree).
If this disproportionate negative effect is externally visible, then what is happening inside our bodies? We deserve better than this, there need to be more studies and probably a broader regimen.
MTFs get multiple medications for correct control. We just get standard T like cis men, who have more DHT receptor sites like the prostate. There is no control or modification for our physiology unlike in MTFs.
Edit: That was not intended as a side swipe. I really felt envious seeing MTFs "get all these things" estradiol, prog, blockers, while we get one thing. No E blocking is provided for us.

Nah but FtM thinks they will look like an anime boy. The crude reality is that every man with enough exposure to T, even the more androgynous one on puberty or early twenties will turn into a beast after years on T, some are a bit luckier and get to their 30's looking decent and others are unlucky and get destroyed by T and DHT as early as 15-16, but T and DHT will always be a poison no matter what

 

[Esquire Janey]

Nah but FtM thinks they will look like an anime boy. The crude reality is that every man with enough exposure to T, even the more androgynous one on puberty or early twenties will turn into a beast after years on T, some are a bit luckier and get to their 30's looking decent and others are unlucky and get destroyed by T and DHT as early as 15-16, but T and DHT will always be a poison no matter what

I look at pics on reddit where mtf's and ftm's meet in the middle so to speak and I am always taken aback by the incredible amount of body hair that many of these folks have. It's one thing to be male but who wants to be a "bear"? but some FtM's dig that look.

 

[Adri23]

I look at pics on reddit where mtf's and ftm's meet in the middle so to speak and I am always taken aback by the incredible amount of body hair that many of these folks have. It's one thing to be male but who wants to be a "bear"? but some FtM's dig that look.

I do think FTM post puberty wont get successful transition. They will likely not grow cause growth plates are closed if they start post puberty so they will be short (unless few FtM that were tall before hormones). Short men are known to be less appealing to women and society in general. Mix that with balding, lots of body hair and a vagina with a mega clitoris, and you create an incel that could be prevented.

 

[Esquire Janey]

I do think FTM post puberty wont get successful transition. They will likely not grow cause growth plates are closed if they start post puberty so they will be short (unless few FtM that were tall before hormones). Short men are known to be less appealing to women and society in general. Mix that with balding, lots of body hair and a vagina with a mega clitoris, and you create an incel that could be prevented.

It's interesting though. The balding ones pass easily since females essentially never go bald until their 60's. But they do tend to be very short plump people and they are not very attractive as men to me qua men at all. Two thirds of transgender people now are FtM's which is almost unbelievable to me. Where did this come from? Previously you had transsexual XY's who tried to fit in and look normal and now people are freaking out because their daughters want to become men.

 

[Adri23]

It's interesting though. The balding ones pass easily since females essentially never go bald until their 60's. But they do tend to be very short plump people and they are not very attractive as men to me qua men at all.

As I said, the formula to create an incel, short, bald, plump and unattractive.

Two thirds of transgender people now are FtM's which is almost unbelievable to me. Where did this come from? Previously you had transsexual XY's who tried to fit in and look normal and now people are freaking out because their daughters want to become men.

Idk but injecting Testosterone will never feel right to me no matter what. As I said only few cis men are lucky to look good, but even the best looking ones will start to rot after 35 yo at most. Imagine being born with the superior hormone and disfigure yourself permanently by injecting Testosterone.

 

[Esquire Janey]

As I said, the formula to create an incel, short, bald, plump and unattractive.

Idk but injecting Testosterone will never feel right to me no matter what. As I said only few cis men are lucky to look good, but even the best looking ones will start to rot after 35 yo at most. Imagine being born with the superior hormone and disfigure yourself permanently by injecting Testosterone.

I have seen beautiful XX's destroy their looks entirely and it's heartbreaking to me. You can see the inflammation easily on white men's faces at least by 40. Their beards tend to be endlessly infected and they have no choice but to grow beards because the bleeding from shaving is so bad. Dandruff and sebum start to go runaway and I have seen shiny examples of great male athletes broken down into balding old men seemingly in just a few years. Marky posted a track athlete who looked like Hercules with great hair at 40 and who looked like a broken down milquetoast balding guy by 50. I was about to be that guy and I apologize to all of the other XY's but I jumped ship. I never felt like a girl growing up or ever really. There's a point for some MtF's where we know that we are about to collapse prematurely as men and estradiol seems to reset our age 20 to 30 years younger and all of the inflammation clears up on our faces. Beard removal helps but I was at the point of no longer being attractive to women or men and now I am attractive to both and I feel literally 30 years younger. All of my flexibility is back in my joints. My back and neck have healed. I think estradiol overwrites male ligaments and tendons with female tissue and it is almost always incredibly rejuvenating.

HRT with estradiol is the closest thing to the Fountain of Youth that exists. It obviates prostate cancer and greatly lessens heart disease. If XY's are done breeding, maybe they should consider castration. Testosterone does many exceptional things especially in math and science and navigation but it ages you and wears you down because you run hot as a system.

 

[Adri23]

I have seen beautiful XX's destroy their looks entirely and it's heartbreaking to me. You can see the inflammation easily on white men's faces at least by 40. Their beards tend to be endlessly infected and they have no choice but to grow beards because the bleeding from shaving is so bad. Dandruff and sebum start to go runaway and I have seen shiny examples of great male athletes broken down into balding old men seemingly in just a few years. Marky posted a track athlete who looked like Hercules with great hair at 40 and who looked like a broken down milquetoast balding guy by 50. I was about to be that guy and I apologize to all of the other XY's but I jumped ship. I never felt like a girl growing up or ever really. There's a point for some MtF's where we know that we are about to collapse prematurely as men and estradiol seems to reset our age 20 to 30 years younger and all of the inflammation clears up on our faces. Beard removal helps but I was at the point of no longer being attractive to women or men and now I am attractive to both and I feel literally 30 years younger. All of my flexibility is back in my joints. My back and neck have healed. I think estradiol overwrites male ligaments and tendons with female tissue and it is almost always incredibly rejuvenating.

HRT with estradiol is the closest thing to the Fountain of Youth that exists. It obviates prostate cancer and greatly lessens heart disease. If XY's are done breeding, maybe they should consider castration. Testosterone does many exceptional things especially in math and science and navigation but it ages you and wears you down because you run hot as a system.

i agree. I decided to castrate myself both chemically and physically,because by any means I want Testosterone to poison my system anymore. Trying to erase all the DHT from my body too, I am just in the process to find a good solution for my dutasteride powder, because standard 0.5 mg doesnt work on me. After achieving that, I will be able to finally conclude this hair loss journey with a great success, but not only hair loss, but also youth, I will see people my age looking older and older fast because of T & DHT and I will be looking years younger while being the same age as them. As you said, estradiol is the Fountain of Youth. Tbh I could be looking years younger tho but I am too skinny and my face looks kinda hollow and that makes me look 'less young' but even with this weight issues, I still look younger than a 17 yo skinny guy probably i definitely look younger than my 17 yo me